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Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Come on man and check it again... this is the 3rd time I tell you .... you would get 3,5k less now.I was using the 100k example. You can use endless different amounts and get endless different outcomes. But with the 100k example, you would get 1k less now.
I see that I don't have the same influence capacity in this forun than @bmugford . Totally understandableAh ok.
Nope... check it again...
That's $3,500 more (or $3,500 less for you)
By the way, on the same $100K sale, you would be charged $890 at Escrow.com... vs the $15,000 at Aftenic
Read again, I edited my reply with both your postsCome on man and check it again... this is the 3rd time I tell you .... you would get 3,5k less now.
I see that I don't have the same influence capacity in this forun than @bmugford . Totally understandable
I point my domains to my hosting account and forward them to DAN landing page. I am going to be getting hit with 25% commission if i don't switch to the DAN DNS.Great question that I hadn't considered - but you won't get the discounted commission if you're not using one of the following nameservers:
- afternic.com
- smartname.com
- uniregistrymarket.link
- dan.com
- undeveloped.com
- internettraffic.com
- cashparking.com
How are you getting sales at Dan, without Dan landing pages? I don't think too many people go straight to Dan.com for domains. All my Dan sales are Dan landing pages, either Buy Now or Lease.For me the biggest concern is that commission at Dan goes from 9% (I don't use their integrated with Afternic) to 25% commission for names not pointed at one of Dan, Afternic or Uniregistry.
I agree. I have many domains priced on Afternic, but many better ones unpriced with Dan landers.It seems like GoDaddy hasn't really thought through all the ways people refer visitors to their landers.
They are trying to squeeze everyone else out.I don't understand the logic, in terms of their costs for processing, etc., why a name not pointed to their landers should carry a higher commission.
They are trying to squeeze everyone out.
Time for us (domainers) to form our own marketplace. I will bring 2000+ quality domains.
There's already a thread for such an initiative:They are trying to squeeze everyone out.
Time for us (domainers) to form our own marketplace. I will bring 2000+ quality domains.
Just out curiosity, sales via direct to your domains vs. sales vs. distribution network if enabled for all your domains. Do you think it would be pretty even or heavy in favor of one method.I agree. I have many domains priced on Afternic, but many better ones unpriced with Dan landers.
There are people like me, and others, that have many domains and use Dan.com to gather leads and negotiate. These are sales that Afternic was not going to capture otherwise. GoDaddy could be pushing away people like me.
Also, the 25% for not using their landers feels like a very monopolistic anti-competitive move.
Brad
Why not just use own landers and an Escrow? As I mentioned I still have Efty and could just switch to Escrow.com links. In the past I tried using my own site but more of hassle, more upkeep.They are trying to squeeze everyone else out.
Time for us (domainers) to form our own marketplace. I will bring 2000+ quality domains.
Some buyers prefer to use GoDaddy. The question is will the buyer fork out 25% extra to do transaction at GoDaddy?Why not just use own landers and an Escrow? As I mentioned I still have Efty and could just switch to Escrow.com links.
Yep. You're paying extra for the convenience, the reach, the name GoDaddy, which helps close sales. That's why I'm using Dan landing pages and plus, the Lease to Own option, which you will get more sales if enacted. You have to factor all that in when you do pricing.Some buyers prefer to use GoDaddy. The question is will the buyer fork out 25% extra to do transaction at GoDaddy?
There's already a thread for such an initiative:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/it-would-be-cool-if-namepros-can-create-landers-for-us.1277476/
I just posted in @Future Sensors thread, if we paid a fee per name to list, a decent sum of money could be raised. Even .25 (twenty five cents) per name would raise significant capital if some of the larger domain holders participated.This is the way. We are 1 million members here.
We are not 1 million members. Maybe, a few thousand. You are 1 million+ account sign ups over the years. That includes bots, people with multiple accounts, people that signed up, looked for 1 day, never came back, people no longer in the business, people that got banned, people that died etc.This is the way. We are 1 million members here.
This is an alignment of commissions across the GoDaddy aftermarket. You can read more about this move here: https://uniregistry.com/blog/post/godaddy-aftermarket-alignment
or https://news.dan.com/221733-dan-and-godaddy-aftermarket-commission-alignment
Not to mention the big move, that's increasing from 15% to 25% on their sales through Afternic when you don't have your domains pointed to them.
That's a total monopoly move. Be with my landers or pay 10% more in commission.
I really think that with the 10% commission increase if you are using another landing page over their landers, it can collide with the Antitrust Laws.Also, the 25% for not using their landers feels like a very monopolistic anti-competitive move.
for now that seems the only way we can goJust spent hours going through names and pointing them to dan. I wrongly assumed any changes would have been made effective Jan 1.
I'm done with parking companies that don't pay and 'brokers' from platforms that do nothing. Time for me to launch my own site. The only reason I will keep my relationship with dan active is the 5% that they, as of today, charge for bringing my own lead.
We are not 1 million members. Maybe, a few thousand. You are 1 million+ account sign ups over the years. That includes bots, people with multiple accounts, people that signed up, looked for 1 day, never came back, people no longer in the business, people that died etc.
Look how many voted in most recent Favorite Registrar Poll -
Not even 1,000
- Final results
- 699 votes
I agree it is rare, but it does happen. My sales are too few to see any patterns, but in last few months have had a Dan sale where the DNS was not pointed there. I think sometimes the availability of the lease to own at Dan causes some savvy buyers to look around for where else a name is listed. GD branding on Dan have helped the marketplace in recent months.How are you getting sales at Dan, without Dan landing pages?
Hi @Future Sensors that's correct, it's a 15% commission fee for nameservers ending in:This 25% is for domains not using any of the nameservers listed on https://www.afternic.com/sales-acceleration
Afternic Fast Transfer (Premium Network) will still be 15% in the new structure, as long as you're using nameservers listed there.
(at least this is my interpretation - @James Iles is this correct?)
Great question. This would be a 15% commission rate as the domain would be pointing to GoDaddy aftermarket nameservers@James Iles
In this scenario:
- Domain lander pointed to DAN, using ns1.dan.com and ns2.dan.com nameservers
- Domain is listed both on DAN and Afternic (using separate accounts)
- The domain sells through the (extended) Afternic Premium Network
- What will be the new Afternic commission: 15% or 25%?
Thanks.
The changes don't come into effect until Feb 1st, so plenty of time for you to close deals and review your portfolio. I can also confirm you'd get the discounted commission if you're using GoDaddy aftermarket nameservers. I'd be happy to chat privately to get an insight into the points you raised.@James Iles
I need some clarification. I don't use Dan nameservers for security reasons. I don't like giving a second party full control over my domains. History has proven some are catching email etc, which is a big no-no.
Anyway, I use my own dns but redirect directly to my Landers at dan. Would this mean I'm now paying 25% on each and every sale?
Shouldn't I really be paying less as I'm technically bringing dan all leads?
What about leads in negotiation? I'm working on a sale but if that's going to cost me 25% I'm taking it off dan and close it in private.
So when I'm negotiating, update nameservers and afterwards they hit my counter/bin it's 15% instead of 25%?