news Dan.com to increase comission from 9% to 15% effective Feb 1st 2023

[MadAboutDomains]

Just received this email from Dan.com about commission increases (snippet of email):

Thoughts?

 

[JB Lions]

Some buyers prefer to use GoDaddy. The question is will the buyer fork out 25% extra to do transaction at GoDaddy?

Yep. You're paying extra for the convenience, the reach, the name GoDaddy, which helps close sales. That's why I'm using Dan landing pages and plus, the Lease to Own option, which you will get more sales if enacted. You have to factor all that in when you do pricing.

And over the last few years I've moved all my domains to Buy Now instead of Make Offer which also leads to more sales. Lot more work, much easier for Make Offer.

 

[koolishman]

There's already a thread for such an initiative:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/it-would-be-cool-if-namepros-can-create-landers-for-us.1277476/

Hope this gains some serious traction now.

 

[Mister Funsky]

This is the way. We are 1 million members here.

I just posted in @Future Sensors thread, if we paid a fee per name to list, a decent sum of money could be raised. Even .25 (twenty five cents) per name would raise significant capital if some of the larger domain holders participated.

 

[JB Lions]

This is the way. We are 1 million members here.

We are not 1 million members. Maybe, a few thousand. You are 1 million+ account sign ups over the years. That includes bots, people with multiple accounts, people that signed up, looked for 1 day, never came back, people no longer in the business, people that got banned, people that died etc.

Look how many voted in most recent Favorite Registrar Poll -

• Final results
• 699 votes

Not even 1,000

 

[frank-germany]

This is an alignment of commissions across the GoDaddy aftermarket. You can read more about this move here: https://uniregistry.com/blog/post/godaddy-aftermarket-alignment
or https://news.dan.com/221733-dan-and-godaddy-aftermarket-commission-alignment

so I'm using an easily switchable redirect link
to send traffic either to DAN Afternic Sedo or whatever

I am not willing to pay 25% commission on my own domain traffic

( not using nameservers of DAN / Afternic )

please comment

 

[Sutruk]

Not to mention the big move, that's increasing from 15% to 25% on their sales through Afternic when you don't have your domains pointed to them.
That's a total monopoly move. Be with my landers or pay 10% more in commission.

Also, the 25% for not using their landers feels like a very monopolistic anti-competitive move.

I really think that with the 10% commission increase if you are using another landing page over their landers, it can collide with the Antitrust Laws.

https://www.justice.gov/atr/antitrust-laws-and-you

Antitrust Laws And You​

Many consumers have never heard of antitrust laws, but enforcement of these laws saves consumers millions and even billions of dollars a year. The Federal Government enforces three major Federal antitrust laws, and most states also have their own. Essentially, these laws prohibit business practices that unreasonably deprive consumers of the benefits of competition, resulting in higher prices for products and services.

The three major Federal antitrust laws are:

• The Sherman Antitrust Act
• 
  
• The Clayton Act
• 
  
• The Federal Trade Commission Act.

The following information on these laws comes from the Antitrust Enforcement and the Consumer guide.

 

[frank-germany]

Just spent hours going through names and pointing them to dan. I wrongly assumed any changes would have been made effective Jan 1.

I'm done with parking companies that don't pay and 'brokers' from platforms that do nothing. Time for me to launch my own site. The only reason I will keep my relationship with dan active is the 5% that they, as of today, charge for bringing my own lead.

for now that seems the only way we can go

 

[koolishman]

We are not 1 million members. Maybe, a few thousand. You are 1 million+ account sign ups over the years. That includes bots, people with multiple accounts, people that signed up, looked for 1 day, never came back, people no longer in the business, people that died etc.

Look how many voted in most recent Favorite Registrar Poll -

• Final results
• 699 votes

Not even 1,000

Yes, I get it.

But even 3K active members, some with with large portfolios could get good traction and attract non-NP mambers.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

How are you getting sales at Dan, without Dan landing pages?

I agree it is rare, but it does happen. My sales are too few to see any patterns, but in last few months have had a Dan sale where the DNS was not pointed there. I think sometimes the availability of the lease to own at Dan causes some savvy buyers to look around for where else a name is listed. GD branding on Dan have helped the marketplace in recent months.

 

[James Iles]

This 25% is for domains not using any of the nameservers listed on https://www.afternic.com/sales-acceleration

Afternic Fast Transfer (Premium Network) will still be 15% in the new structure, as long as you're using nameservers listed there.

(at least this is my interpretation - @James Iles is this correct?)

Hi @Future Sensors that's correct, it's a 15% commission fee for nameservers ending in:

• afternic.com
• smartname.com
• uniregistrymarket.link
• dan.com

• undeveloped.com
• internettraffic.com
• cashparking.com

@James Iles

In this scenario:

- Domain lander pointed to DAN, using ns1.dan.com and ns2.dan.com nameservers
- Domain is listed both on DAN and Afternic (using separate accounts)
- The domain sells through the (extended) Afternic Premium Network
- What will be the new Afternic commission: 15% or 25%?

Thanks.

Great question. This would be a 15% commission rate as the domain would be pointing to GoDaddy aftermarket nameservers

@James Iles

I need some clarification. I don't use Dan nameservers for security reasons. I don't like giving a second party full control over my domains. History has proven some are catching email etc, which is a big no-no.

Anyway, I use my own dns but redirect directly to my Landers at dan. Would this mean I'm now paying 25% on each and every sale?

Shouldn't I really be paying less as I'm technically bringing dan all leads?

What about leads in negotiation? I'm working on a sale but if that's going to cost me 25% I'm taking it off dan and close it in private.



So when I'm negotiating, update nameservers and afterwards they hit my counter/bin it's 15% instead of 25%?

The changes don't come into effect until Feb 1st, so plenty of time for you to close deals and review your portfolio. I can also confirm you'd get the discounted commission if you're using GoDaddy aftermarket nameservers. I'd be happy to chat privately to get an insight into the points you raised.

 

[JB Lions]

Yes, I get it.

But even 3K active members, some with with large portfolios could get good traction and attract non-NP mambers.

Stuff like that has been talked about in the past, won't happen here. I'll go to that thread to keep this one on topic.

 

[bmugford]

Just out curiosity, sales via direct to your domains vs. sales vs. distribution network if enabled for all your domains. Do you think it would be pretty even or heavy in favor of one method.

For me, I guess I'll find out this year but if it's pretty even then end result, sales shouldn't be much difference.

It is a balancing act.

Priced domains at venues like Afternic provide steady cash flow, but I prefer to negotiate myself on better domains. I am using Dan.com at the moment, but have used Voodoo in the past for many years before.

Brad

 

[Juan v2]

As an Afternic lander user, I'm more than happy.

It is however, indeed a problem for Dan users.

Hello, first of all greetings twiki and all those who make this site alive, thanks to all.

Twiki I congratulate you that you are not affected by afternic.com, because you use the landing page of afternic. I explain you, there is a statistic that indicates that there are many domain sellers that have their domains in afternic and other platforms like sedo.com, but in their domain names they do not use the nameservers of afternic and sedo, the domains are parked earning money, for example they use the domain name servers like bodis, ParkingCrew, among others because they pay better for parked domains.

Godaddy indicates that from 20% it goes down to 15%, here is the catch, they give you 15% if your domains, or the domains of the sellers point to afternic.com servers.

If the domain names are on afternic.com, but, do not point to afternic.com servers, they will charge 25%, forcing sellers that if they want to enjoy the 15% they must change their name servers to afternic, if they do not, afternic will charge 25%.

This was done by trickery to force sellers to have their domains point to afternic's servers. As godaddy says, if you want to do business with godaddy, you must point to afternic nameservers, if not, you will be charged 25%.

Thank you all, and excuse my English. First time I write in this forum. Best wishes for this new year to all of you.

 

[dirk]

If only Epik hadn't tarnished their rep there would have been so much opportunity for them right now...

 

[JB Lions]

It is a balancing act.

Priced domains at venues like Afternic provide steady cash flow, but I prefer to negotiate myself on better domains. I am using Dan.com at the moment, but have used Voodoo in the past for many years before.

Brad

That's something I was really thinking about last few years with my Make Offers. I did it because no thinking was involved, it's just easy, select Make Offer.

So then you get offers.

Somebody sends you an offer. How many times has that offer been more than you wanted or something you would take on first offer. For me, that's been pretty rare. Usually first offer, is low ball offer, see if you will bite, get the ball rolling etc.

So then you get an offer and reply with an amount. So eventually you need to figure out an amount to counter. Whatever that amount is, is what I've been pricing my names to start with. You can always negotiate down from that.

For example, on one of your bigger names. I send you an offer, it's too low, you come back with counter. Why not price that domain to begin with, with that counter offer?

Stuff I'm still thinking about and you have a much bigger portfolio.

But I have seen in increase of sales because of some changes I made

Make Offer ----> Buy Now
Offering Lease to Own option has increased sales, no doubt about it
I think GoDaddy branding on landing pages probably helps sales.

I'll have a better idea once this year is done.

 

[James Iles]

Hello, first of all greetings twiki and all those who make this site alive, thanks to all.

Twiki I congratulate you that you are not affected by afternic.com, because you use the landing page of afternic. I explain you, there is a statistic that indicates that there are many domain sellers that have their domains in afternic and other platforms like sedo.com, but in their domain names they do not use the nameservers of afternic and sedo, the domains are parked earning money, for example they use the domain name servers like bodis, ParkingCrew, among others because they pay better for parked domains.

Godaddy indicates that from 20% it goes down to 15%, here is the catch, they give you 15% if your domains, or the domains of the sellers point to afternic.com servers.

If the domain names are on afternic.com, but, do not point to afternic.com servers, they will charge 25%, forcing sellers that if they want to enjoy the 15% they must change their name servers to afternic, if they do not, afternic will charge 25%.

This was done by trickery to force sellers to have their domains point to afternic's servers. As godaddy says, if you want to do business with godaddy, you must point to afternic nameservers, if not, you will be charged 25%.

Thank you all, and excuse my English. First time I write in this forum. Best wishes for this new year to all of you.

Hi @Juan v2 - useful to clarify that the reduced 15% commission rate applies to more than just afternic.com nameservers. It also applies to:

• smartname.com
• uniregistrymarket.link
• dan.com

• undeveloped.com
• internettraffic.com
• cashparking.com

 

[twiki]

That's something I was really thinking about last few years with my Make Offers. I did it because no thinking was involved, it's just easy, select Make Offer.

So then you get offers.

Somebody sends you an offer. How many times has that offer been more than you wanted or something you would take on first offer. For me, that's been pretty rare. Usually first offer, is low ball offer, see if you will bite, get the ball rolling etc.

So then you get an offer and reply with an amount. So eventually you need to figure out an amount to counter. Whatever that amount is, is what I've been pricing my names to start with. You can always negotiate down from that.

For example, on one of your bigger names. I send you an offer, it's too low, you come back with counter. Why not price that domain to begin with, with that counter offer?

Stuff I'm still thinking about and you have a much bigger portfolio.

But I have seen in increase of sales because of some changes I made

Make Offer ----> Buy Now
Offering Lease to Own option has increased sales, no doubt about it
I think GoDaddy branding on landing pages probably helps sales.

I'll have a better idea once this year is done.

That depends.

 

[Juan v2]

Hello, first of all greetings twiki and all those who make this site alive, thanks to all.

Twiki I congratulate you that you are not affected by afternic.com, because you use the landing page of afternic. I explain you, there is a statistic that indicates that there are many domain sellers that have their domains in afternic and other platforms like sedo.com, but in their domain names they do not use the nameservers of afternic and sedo, the domains are parked earning money, for example they use the domain name servers like bodis, ParkingCrew, among others because they pay better for parked domains.

Godaddy indicates that from 20% it goes down to 15%, here is the catch, they give you 15% if your domains, or the domains of the sellers point to afternic.com servers.

If the domain names are on afternic.com, but, do not point to afternic.com servers, they will charge 25%, forcing sellers that if they want to enjoy the 15% they must change their name servers to afternic, if they do not, afternic will charge 25%.

This was done by trickery to force sellers to have their domains point to afternic's servers. As godaddy says, if you want to do business with godaddy, you must point to afternic nameservers, if not, you will be charged 25%.

Thank you all, and excuse my English. First time I write in this forum. Best wishes for this new year to all of you.

 

[Gabriel360]

Domainers now sell domains to pay GoDaddy, taxes and renewals.

Investors get crumbs.

 

[domainer111]

I'm disgusted at this move by Godaddy. We have one set of customers charged at 25%, and another at 15% provided they use one of the Godaddy satellites.

I use Bodis for nearly all my domains. I now have a strong incentive not to use Bodis. Same for companies like Efty. They have put so much work in make the industry stronger.

This is one way to kill the competition Godaddy!