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shilmy

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Hi,

Do any of you has regularly sell your domain to end users? If so, do you mind share with me in this thread on how find potential end users for your domain?

Regards,
Sjarief
 
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AfternicAfternic
well end users are mainly tried to search keywords so if the keyword is up on the search engine your will get more leads..
 
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Dear [Name],

or

Hello,


My name is [name], i'm from [country], i study economy and i buy and sell domains for part-time. I am the owner of the two word domain name [domain]. I'm contacting you to let you know that domain is available for acquisition. If you are interested in acquiring this domain contact me.

In the case I do not hear from you fairly soon (2-5 business days), I will move along to the next candidate.

The domain is registered on [registry].com and listed on Sedo.com.

Best Regards,
[name]

contact@domain

"

I would to know what you think about this sales letter?
I put this: "i buy and sell domains for part-time". To try get some more credibility, but that can go wrong.
And i put my country since im not from USA. Just to open "the game".

What you think?

Why would an end-user want to know what you're studying? :|
 
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Why would an end-user want to know what you're studying? :|

Ye... Since รฉ study economy i decided to write that down, if was another subject like education or something i wouldn't had write...

But i should write that im a student?
 
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@johnnnson

I would leave the personal info out. Not because there's anything wrong with your info in particular, but because it just isn't relevant to the process. Sometimes a personal link in a mail signature can't hurt, as it puts a face to the name (so to speak.) There are people out there who want to know about with whom they are dealing of course; I just think that most initial prospects might consider the upfront personal info to make your mail seem amateurish, which might turn them off as buyers, or even worse make them feel like they can take advantage of you.


Frank
 
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You got a good point, Frank.

I think im gonna stick with this:

"
Dear [Name],

or

Hello,

I'm contacting you to let you know that, the two word domain name [domain] is available for acquisition. If you are interested in acquiring this domain contact me.

In the case I do not hear from you fairly soon (2-5 business days), I will move along to the next candidate.

The domain is registered on [registry].com and listed on Sedo.com.

Best Regards,
[name]

contact@domain
"

What you people think?
 
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I have to agree

When you call on a cold call, ask for the manager of Internet advertisement. This works well...

Here's a quick method of finding possible buyers for your domain name,

1. Go to WHOIS.SC and find owners of variations of your domain name. If you own example.com, there's a chance the owners of example123.com, exam-ple.com or example.us might be interested.

2. Go to Google.com and search for the keywords contained in your domain. Make a list of all the paying advertisers that appear in the "Sponsored Links".

3. Go to Overture.com and search for the keywords contained in your domain. Make a list of all the paying advertisers. (Click "View Advertisers' Max Bids")

These three steps will usually produce a decent sized list of potential buyers for your name. From there you can contact the companies and see if there's any interest in aquiring your name.

DO NOT SPAM! Mass mailing all these companies with a single spam email is a bad idea! Any time you do this you should be contacting these companies indivudually by email, snail mail or phone. Figure out how these companies can benefit by owning your domain and approach them with this information. Other threads on NP contain advice about how to go about this.

Also keep this in mind when expecting responses from contacting potential buyers:

You might contact 30 companies and not receive any interest. Don't fret, move on to the next domain.
 
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Removed - decided question is not that important.
 
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Guys, how would you reply to the argument of an end-user to my pitch I used (Nameflipper.com transcripts by JoshuaPZ):
My "after How much?" pitch to the .net website owner who has defensive regs in other TLDs.:



here's his reply:


How would you reply to this...any similar cases?
I would also propose him to make an offer to me.
The domain is not a product name or a generic one, just has 2 words in it.

personally I don't like that approach at least in the first contact. the end-user has a point. what interests is the closed sales history. however, you can counter argue that even if those aren't actual sales the market reflects current prices by adjusting asking levels. complete your reply with actual sales figures and you have a go.

regards,
tonecas

---------- Post added at 02:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:57 PM ----------

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I would to know what you think about this sales letter?
I put this: "i buy and sell domains for part-time". To try get some more credibility, but that can go wrong.
And i put my country since im not from USA. Just to open "the game".

What you think?

olรก johnnnson :)

I think you should definitely remove the "i buy and sell domains for part-time" and the "i study economics". it adds no credibility and actually i think it takes some.

regards,
tonecas
 
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umm I think simple email wit the domain name, relativity and asking price will get far more and better responses then anything else :)
 
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Pricing suggestions

This thread is great, and because I've maintained my own (non-domain) business for years, I'm pretty confident about contacting end users and have a good idea about how to find them. Where I need help, though, is in pricing some of my names.

My plan is to go through and divide them into groups (higher-priced names for the companies for whom a single product sale is $xx,xxx and above, and moderately priced names for smaller retail businesses). I'd like to aim higher (around $1000) for the companies that sell big-ticket items, but it seems like most end-user sales made by people who post in the forums and on blogs average around $300-400. There are exceptions, of course, and Federer's sales seem to be higher on a consistent basis, but I don't know if this is because the European market is different.

My point is, I don't want to make the mistake of offering a site about generators to a power company for $350 when I could have gotten $800 (or more) for it, and I don't want to overprice any names, either.

I realize a lot of this can only be learned through trial and error, but any advice would be great. What sort of pricing models do people use?
 
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i'm not greedy about pricing my domains because of cashflow issues. but I believe that selling one domain for $1000 because of high asking price is better than selling two for $1200 at $600 apiece (if the quality of the names can be considered equal).
 
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@NLP

Several others seem to adopt a pricing strategy based on ability to pay on the part of the buyer ... to me it seems like a lot of extra work to try to define your prospect strata like that. It's also a problematic metric to divine -- after all, you only know so much about a given business, and trying to base a price out of a couple of figures or even a single figure like "per-widget" profit if you're selling Widgets.com is unreliable, because it doesn't take into account all the other variables that can reduce that per-widget figure long before they get to the advertising budget (also, you never know how a given prospect views domains -- advertising, digital real estate, an SEO tool, etc. -- which will tend to affect how much they would conceivably budget for a name.)

I've struggled with this myself: I mean, it seems sensible in the context that since I send all of my domains into the queue for end users, and I'm asking higher prices of end users than eg. the handful of domains that end up for sale here at NamePros, that there would be subsets of buyers within the various prospects as well. But lack of meaningful data, a refusal to kid myself into believing that a couple of sort-of relevant numbers really bolster the value of my domain, and the high premium I place on time prevent me from trying to dig up who the greater fools are. To provide a complementing view to lincondsp's example, I'd rather sell two domains for $600 each and a total of six hours' work than one domain for $1,000 and a total of six hours' work. The value of a given domain to me ie. one that is sitting in my portfolio earning a bit of parking revenue is vastly less than the value of my time.

A notable exception to this would be an industry with which you have professional or hobby/enthusiast experience enough to really understand the nuances behind the numbers. I would think someone who spent 20 years in the Widget industry would do very well pulling up widget-related domains and selling them to end users, because he would have a far better grasp of the sort of things on which widget companies spend their money when it comes to advertising, branding etc.


Frank

---------- Post added at 11:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:35 AM ----------

Couple of further thoughts on value of domains and the value of time, for whatever they might be worth:

1) If you sincerely believe that a domain should fetch $5,000 , $10,000 or even more, you are probably far better off taking it to a competent broker than trying to dig up buyers on your own.

2) One day, when end user domain sales are so last decade in the eyes of people working online, time management will be remembered as the silent killer of domainers. Selling a domain for $1,000 is meaningless if you spend 50 hours working on the sale process. The "sale process" starts the minute you start scanning drop lists or doing keyword/cpc research -- not when you start talking with buyers. All the time that goes into a domain's life cycle needs to be accounted for (all the more reason to begin and end with quality domains.)


Frank
 
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@NLP
It's also a problematic metric to divine -- after all, you only know so much about a given business, and trying to base a price out of a couple of figures or even a single figure like "per-widget" profit if you're selling Widgets.com is unreliable, because it doesn't take into account all the other variables that can reduce that per-widget figure long before they get to the advertising budget (also, you never know how a given prospect views domains -- advertising, digital real estate, an SEO tool, etc. -- which will tend to affect how much they would conceivably budget for a name.)

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The value of a given domain to me ie. one that is sitting in my portfolio earning a bit of parking revenue is vastly less than the value of my time.

This is all good info. You're right that it's a lot of guesswork and speculation, and maybe that's not the way to go. I'm not trying to be greedy with my names, just smart. I have priced quite a few of them at low $xxx, and I genuinely want to see them go to people and companies who can benefit from using them. Like you said, right now in my parking portfolio, they're not earning that much, and what would be a minisite or a casual flip for me could be a really meaningful name to someone in that particular industry, who could develop it properly.

Thanks for all the detailed information. Rep added.
 
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Pick up the phone... DO NOT use email. Use thomas guide to find end users, local businesses so you go in person to speak with them. Can't sell to end-users with email and from your desk chair. Does not work.
 
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Any advice if to reply & if so what with for this response from an end-user after replying to my first email to him just asking if he is interested in the domain which didn't include a price..

Hello Brett


Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep it in mind.


xxxxxxxxxxx

Thanks!
 
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posted by dnbrokership:
Pick up the phone... DO NOT use email. Use thomas guide to find end users, local businesses so you go in person to speak with them. Can't sell to end-users with email and from your desk chair. Does not work.

Setting aside the relatively low quality of leads one can get out of Thomas or a similar guide, the "live sales force" approach has so many limitations that it's hard to grasp how it can be viable for anyone not living in a sizable metro area and in possession of a high-margin domain portfolio. Specifically, I'm working with profit margins of $200-$800 per domain. It's just not a "live sales force" kind of margin. I was "live selling" for that kind of commission in my twenties, more years ago than I'd care to consider. This just winds back around to my earlier post about time management. I hate to put it quite like this, but busting your ass for a few hundred bucks is for poor people.

I do almost all of my prospect contacts via e-mail. The effifacy of e-mail is a big concern of mine, because I know without a doubt that many possibly-interested prospects never even get a chance to discard my e-mails, let alone read them, thanks to automated spam filtering. However, this can also true of mailed letters, voice mails, etc. (filtered through departments, assistants and so on) and the time spent playing grabass with the receptionst or switchboard while you attempt to get in touch with the actual person with whom you need to speak at a company can be collosal.

With regards to lead quality, looking up end users by industry greatly broadens the target net, without adding anything to the quality of any given lead (ie. you still have to go through those to wring out the good ones.) I'll take the 10-30 quality, qualified leads that I can get with a minor amount of effort using search engines, whois and various other sources over a long list of potentials that I have to spend time tracking down and with whom I have to have a "handshake" conversation, which shackles me to the prospect's time zone and work schedule, and adds work to the prospecting process, without adding any measurable quality to the lead.

If I were dealing in higher-value domains, then this extra layer of work might be worth doing, or at least outsourcing; however, at my particular rung on the ladder it just isn't worth it.

I will say that I have found mail-outs to be useful when dealing with large domain portfolio holders, but only have a handful of these in my contact database (specifically, I mean non-domainer holders of at least 100 non-branded domain names.) For these I group the better domains which apply to the prospect's portfolio and put together a 3-5 page presentation on search and trend metrics which pertain to the industry in general and domains in particular -- trying to educate anyone on his own business is a laughable effort, since whether he knows anything or nothing, he thinks he knows everything -- but the information on his business through the lens of search engines and other online information aggregators is something he likely has not seen explained in detail, and the compelling nature of this information adds value by association to the names being pitched. But these buyers are -- so far -- few and far between, so while I've had success with it, I haven't had enough success or failure to know if it's a meaningful sample (specifically, six mailouts have resulted in five sales to four buyers, all for pretty decent prices. That looks awesome on paper, but it's six mailouts -- could just have gotten lucky, you know?)


Frank
 
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Have any of you sent out emails with just your name as your signature & then others with your name, phone number, website etc etc as your signature & noticed any difference in the amount of response you get back?

I've just been sending out emails & just ending it with my full name..... was wondering if anyone has noticed a better response rate with including more details there?
 
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A full signature with your contact details is always better. It establishes credibility, looks more professional, and shows you have nothing to hide.
 
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Ditto that ... every mail has my name, e-mail, phone and web address; my site has every conceivable way someone could try to reach me aside from giving users the ability to rub up against me on the subway. (My coder's still working on that.)


Frank
 
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Thanks for your thoughts guys. Would anyone be able to help me out in how to reply to this?

More or less THEIR name has the term "personalized" appended to the front of their domain, compared to my domain.

Thank you for contacting us. Since our primary focus is Personalized, we do
believe we have the right domain for our needs, but out of curiosity, how
much will you be selling this domain name for?
Thank you

Thank You!
 
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