Smart women are sooo sexy (yes - you sdsinc).
You do realise that you are discussing issues with an individual that simply highlights how well the machine has done its job don't you (I'm pretty sure you do)?
I stumbled back into this thread, it's late and I should be in bed, but hey, why not argue politics with people who can't see the forrest for the trees.
You obviously don't do much in-depth study of history, if you did you would realise that the quest for empire has, without fail, led many a great nation or power eventually being brought to their knees in one way or another. America will be no different, and if you don't think their current agenda is empire building at its finest, then...
It doesn't matter where she lives. To suggest she doesn't know what she is talking about because she may not be a current U.S. citizen is a ad hominem argument and carries very little validity and is a very poor way of arguing your point.
Only a truly blind person couldn't see that personal freedoms a deteriorating at an unprecedented rate in American history. I could actually provide proof for my argument, but like I said, it's late and it would be wasted methinks.
Once again, an ad hominem argument. Pretty poor tbh.
Considering the last ten to twenty years (the more recent history that you want us to refer to), prove it.
Why we are it, please define what you think freedoms are. Are they the same as rights...and what is your definition of rights? Then we might be able to have a discussion that makes any sense.
It's late, I need sleep, and Kate; I think you are wonderful.
I just read back as well. Another person, who doesn't live in this country, who a week ago still thought Ron Paul had a chance of getting elected. You want me to have a history discussion with you, when you're not even aware of the times you're living in now. And we already went thru some of the stuff you posted, so yet again, you actually aren't reading.
There really is no meat whatsoever in your post.
The empire will fall because other empires fell. Went thru that already.
"It doesn't matter where she lives."
Of course it helps, it's a very naive thing for you to say. Went thru thru already as well. We have people saying Communism and if they actually lived in such a country or knew/talked to somebody who has, they wouldn't be saying stupid stuff like that.
Go reread your post #247 up. You're the one that was posting of YouTube videos made by people: "The reason I wanted to do this is because I'm very new to campaigning and politics (around 2 months). So I won't know half the stuff I'm talking about on videos, I have to research it, read opinions, etc. (takes too long!)."
By people who admit they don't know what they're talking about, too lazy to do research, read opinions etc. I think you feel a kinship with this person.
Same thing I asked Kate (still no answer) what country are you in? It's like you guys are ashamed to say it, probably because it might be worse or something?
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"The US has more inmates than any other nation yet you take comfort in the fact that "China executes more people each year than the rest of the world combined."
That was in response to Domainace when he was talking about how many people get arrested and acting like China is some beacon of freedom, when it's not.
"I'm afraid you're missing the point. You will always find a worse country, that doesn't mean yours/mine is doing okay and that we should rest happy. Especially when things are not improving. Chinese are probably better off than Somalians so it's all relative."
We'll have to agree to disagree. Again, you don't live here. I'm good. Are their problems? Sure, what country doesn't have them but you tend to focus on the negative, I look at the big picture, which would be the fair picture.
"In the West censorship is gaining ground, not just political censorship but also various forms of censorship driven by corporate interests (hint hint)."
Hint, hint is an out where you don't have to be specific. I like specifics. Lay it out there, I might even agree.
"In the US there are two major parties and they look the same on many issues."
Really? They look a lot different on many of them.
"I also agree with Gilsan that the US media is biased."
Biased to............. It's funny I hear this when we have people like Alex Jones/Infowars running his nationally syndicated news/talk show based out of Austin, TX. Try that in some other countries, it wouldn't happen. We have MSM that tends to lean, we have all sorts of other media, radio, TV, newspapers, blogs etc. Give me something specific, that you don't think is getting talked about here and I'll go get a link showing you otherwise.
Reading some off of Alex Jone's site, one of the "Truthers" and thinks our government is this and that:
"He has appeared on Good Morning America, The View, 20/20 Downtown, 60 Minutes, The Discovery Channel, The History Channel, Fox News, CNN, TalkSport (UK), Russia Today, Channel 4 (UK), A&E, America’s most widely listened to late night radio show, Coast to Coast AM, C-Span, and many other venues."
Seems like a lot of mainstream media there to me.
Wanted to add, one more thing, where you were just completely off on:
It was all a sham to pretend the regime was fair and democratic.
No, when you live in a Communist country, they don't try to pretend they're fair and democratic. They're proud of it. And even tho I haven't lived in a Communist country myself, I am probably more aware than most, since my mother was, in East Germany. She got out thru the underground when she was like 12 years old, with her mother and one of her sisters, leaving another married sister behind. I had a German cousin who travelled to a neighboring Communist country, try to escape, was shot at, was in jail for a year and then released. I was living over in West Germany at the time (I'm an army brat/dad was in the army for 20 years) and I've heard some of the stories. I'm also good friends with somebody who parents came over here from Cuba.
So these comparisons to Communism are laughable. You don't see people trying to run into Communist countries, they try to get the hell out. Big clue right there.