Time to invest .xyz

ChubbyDfat said:

Holding companies exist for investors

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Oh my goodness I didn;t even get to the end of your post before I saw this!

Who do you think runs the internet? Investors of course! They're the only people that really matter when it comes to new extensions!

Also disagree that it's gonna take an existing mega site like facebook to adopt the ext.

New blood is entering the internet space all the time. Where were facebook 10 years ago???

Who knows what the mega sites will be in 10 years and what extensions they will use....

Oh and it is investors who will introduce the ext to the populace at large...

Wannabean said:

Interesting but i disagree!

Brandable but meaningless .com's will lose search traffic to keyowrd.xyz which ranks the same as .com.

For example I recently bought stocks dot xyz. Just can't see a company wanting to start a stocks and shares related site regging stockius.com over my website.

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.xyz or .com will rank depending on how SEO is done. That's not our work, it will be taken care by SEO specialists.

Now coming to extension, general public are not aware of .xyz (only 1 year old) vs .com (they see it 99% of time, 20+ years old). If some company buys Stocks.xyz they will lose traffic to Stocks.com. So either they will buy Stocks.com (if they are rich enough) but wait then why they bought Stocks.xyz? They don't have money of course.

So IMO they will go with Stockius.com (or some better brandable) than Stocks.xyz!

Jitesh Prasad said:

.xyz or .com will rank depending on how SEO is done. That's not our work, it will be taken care by SEO specialists.

Now coming to extension, general public are not aware of .xyz (only 1 year old) vs .com (they see it 99% of time, 20+ years old). If some company buys Stocks.xyz they will lose traffic to Stocks.com. So either they will buy Stocks.com (if they are rich enough) but wait then why they bought Stocks.xyz? They don't have money of course.

So IMO they will go with Stockius.com (or some better brandable) than Stocks.xyz!

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You are only correct on this if xyz is promoted well enough. Oh and stocks.com is a Russian site so I should be good on that one!

* if xyz isn't

It's up to the user to go to the right address, that's where .xyz shines, it's unique/brandable, very easy to remember and pronounce/say/spell (and even type) not to mention easily passes the radio test.

1NiteStand said:

It's up to the user to go to the right address, that's where .xyz shines, it's unique/brandable, very easy to remember and pronounce/say/spell (and even type) not to mention easily passes the radio test.

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Spot on. Any company risks losing it's customers if it doesn't advertise properly. I just can't see someone watching a promotion for xyz and then typing in .com? Hell it's not as if .com is the only extension. User's are already wary of what they type and regardless it's the search engine that will account for the majority of traffic.

Content and keyword is king.

1NiteStand said:

It's up to the user to go to the right address, that's where .xyz shines, it's unique/brandable, very easy to remember and pronounce/say/spell (and even type) not to mention easily passes the radio test.

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Unique, Brandable, easy to pronounce, spell, passes radio test, easy to type.... Are you talking about extension or domain?

Wannabean said:

Spot on. Any company risks losing it's customers if it doesn't advertise properly. I just can't see someone watching a promotion for xyz and then typing in .com? Hell it's not as if .com is the only extension. User's are already wary of what they type and regardless it's the search engine that will account for the majority of traffic.

Content and keyword is king.

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If that's true, domainer's would not have been able sell a .net or other extensions domain owner, .com version of their domain for (huge) profit.

Jitesh Prasad said:

Unique, Brandable, easy to pronounce, spell, passes radio test, easy to type.... Are you talking about extension or domain?

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The extension fits the bill and it depends on the keyword.

Jitesh Prasad said:

f that's true, domainer's would not have been able sell a .net or other extensions domain owner, .com version of their domain for (huge) profit.

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Major owners who can't obtain trademarks for overly generic terms are always going to have to do this regardless of whether they originally owned the .com .net .xyz or whatever...

If they own .com they don't need to worry IMO because they will not lose traffic to .net .xyz etc.

Jitesh Prasad said:

If they own .com they don't need to worry IMO because they will not lose traffic to .net .xyz etc.

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They absolutely will lose traffic to well seo'd .net and .xyt or .anything

Wannabean said:

Who do you think runs the internet? Investors of course! They're the only people that really matter when it comes to new extensions!

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As far as investors... that is a path with many tendrils. Holding companies are indeed for investors. Holding companies cater to investors in many different ilks, art investors, real estate investors, intellectual property investors, business investors, stock/bond investors, capital investors, and the list can go on. Little to non of which have any sway into business practices of a company (short of being a majority stake holder but those investors don't go to websites).

Lets get down to the gritty of things.

How many times have you (honestly) sought out the holding companies website directly?
HSBC/Chase/BOA holding company?
Facebook holding comapny?
Sedo holding comapny?
Of the general populace, how many people do you imagine search for holding companies directly? We have all been to the sites listed above before, but we go to the working site.

For a moment, if you get the chance, ask a common person (outside of your sphere of influence) what they know of holding companies. I can pretty much guarantee you that the average layperson knows nothing of holding companies.
Ask another person what they know about the .XYZ extension.

There is an old adage that "birds of a feather flock together". I feel safe in stating that you (like most of us) converse on a regular bases with people who are (generally) interested in the same experience/knowledge that you are.
If you big thing is politics, you probably hang out with other people who also like politics (probably on the same side you are).
If you are a domainer (surprise), you are here hanging out and talking with other like minded people. We are sharing news that pertains to what we have in common interest.
Outside of our little sphere here... no one really knows or understands what is going on in domain names.

Take a moment and look at things from the point of view of a layperson. Not everyone knows what you know or are interested in what you have interest in.
You are up to date on the latest news and events within your world of interest but KNOW that the average person (90% or more) have no idea what is going on in your world of interest.

Think about all the things that you know nothing about. For me, I know nothing about the world of:
Boxing
Wood working
Tile crafting
Car audio
I am sure there is news and events that happen or is happening in those worlds right now. I know nothing of them nor do I keep up with news in them. My known circle of people probably wont be able to tell you anything more then I can about those subjects. The average person probably is in the same boat is I am in regards to those topics.

Take a moment and understand that as a domainer, you have a special interest in the happenings in the domain world.
Know that you keep up on news and events that pertain to the domain world.
Know that almost everyone else, does not.
XYZ is popular to domainers because of its brief time in the spotlight.
No one else knows anything about it.

Wannabean said:

Oh and it is investors who will introduce the ext to the populace at large...

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Don't confuse investors with inventors. Investors come after the fact, after the product has been invented.
Unless you are talking about seed money to launch a product but they are generally silent, they come WELL BEFORE a holding company is even thought of, and have no real direct influence on the product short of some % interest in the sales/revenue.

When a company reaches a point that it needs a HOLDING COMPANY, it can self fund/fiance anything and is generally looking to purchase deals/mergers and to keep assets separate from their revenue streams.

Just some thoughts.
Cheers

Wannabean said:

They absolutely will lose traffic to well seo'd .net and .xyt or .anything

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It's not SEO forum but a Domain forum.
Even SEOTips.ooo can SEO better than SEOTips.com but that will not make it first choice for any business. Also I don't think SEOTips.com will buy SEOTips.ooo just because it is better SEOd. SEOTips.com will instead try to do better SEO to come at the top.

You make some good points chubbydfat but I would add that although investors are largely silent as a demographic, their advertising budgets make an awful l lot of noise.

Google's holding company using an xyz give the ext a lot of credibility amongst those in the know, who will ultimately guide the populace as a whole...

Get those with money and influence to take note and the rest will follow imo.

Jitesh Prasad said:

It's not SEO forum but a Domain forum.
Even SEOTips.ooo can SEO better than SEOTips.com but that will not make it first choice for any business. Also I don't think SEOTips.com will buy SEOTips.ooo just because it is better SEOd. SEOTips.com will instead try to do better SEO to come at the top.

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Whether it is an SEO forum or not my point is still valid. If consumers can adopt other extensions, which history suggests they can, there is no reason to pay a premium for an average .com when opposed with a more easily brandable and memorable New GTLD.

Wannabean said:

Google's holding company using an xyz give the ext a lot of credibility amongst those in the know, who will ultimately guide the populace as a whole...

Get those with money and influence to take note and the rest will follow imo.

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No doubt that .XYZ is better off with Google using one of their names then if it did not. I am not arguing that point.

My sentiment comes from the point of view that even with Google using the name in their holding company it does little for the extension.
We as domainers give it credence because it fall withing our realm of interest.
It will take a full on undergoing and use of a(ny) nTLD extension to really make interest come alive.

Right now we are not seeing that. People on the streets do not even know that nTLDs exist. Once an extension (nTLD) is used legitimately by a big time company, then we will see the exposure that everyone here craves.

I hope that makes sense.

Cheers

ChubbyDfat said:

No doubt that .XYZ is better off with Google using one of their names then if it did not. I am not arguing that point.

My sentiment comes from the point of view that even with Google using the name in their holding company it does little for the extension.
We as domainers give it credence because it fall withing our realm of interest.
It will take a full on undergoing and use of a(ny) nTLD extension to really make interest come alive.

Right now we are not seeing that. People on the streets do not even know that nTLDs exist. Once an extension (nTLD) is used legitimately by a big time company, then we will see the exposure that everyone here craves.

I hope that makes sense.

Cheers

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Excellent point and I agree completely.

To counter I would say that new GTLD's are too new to allow a start up company who decided to adopt one to become big enough to give it the exposure it needs.

It's folly to expect an established .com to switch extensions. It would make no sense.

New companies however, who may be mega in a few years....well that's a whole different kettle of fish.

Wannabean said:

It's folly to expect an established .com to switch extensions. It would make no sense.

New companies however, who may be mega in a few years....well that's a whole different kettle of fish.

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I think you hit the nail on the head there.

There is nothing that I can add to that at all.

Cheers

All I would add is it's up to the owners of these new extensions to get them in to the right hands. The strategy so far seems to be to subsidize early registrations, which lets face it, are being made domain speculators. Really they should be focusing on investing in solid start ups. This investment should also go far and beyond the provision of a good name.

Kick starting is all very well but proper nurturing is also required.

I think xyz already had it's 15 minutes of fame and now it's just a kind of bandwagon. I bought a few xyz last year. I'm not buying any more.

Several months ago it seems like most people on NP agreed that xyz was just about the worse extension ever, right up there with .tk .top and of course .horse

brandnow said:

Several months ago it seems like most people on NP agreed that xyz was just about the worse extension ever, right up there with .tk and .top

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1) Who are most people?

2) It doesn't make it true.

3) Aren't the Chinese buying a bunch of .top right now?

Hello,

I have no idea wether .XYZ will be a future "success story" or not, but it has some potential:

- The domains are cheap (regular price is about same as .COM)
- They skipped ridiculous high fees on premiums
- It has reached almost a million registrations in a year (NetSol is now "only" 15%)
- Negari is a true entrepreneur that have market it well and he will not give up easily
- The Chinese seems to like the extension

There is some notable action on Namejet these days. And most importantly on this name: http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/BackorderDetails.aspx?domainname=dream.xyz

i sale today led for $499

Well the following link speaks for itself who the winner might be!

https://ntldstats.com/tld

.xyz is currently leading the track on the new gtld. Speculation/Bubble/Market potential, whatever it is, xyz is steadily climbing up in market adoption right now.

Other examples of domains-in-action through social media and apps include Lady Gaga, who has a social media network on Place.xyz, and Apple, who just introduced its iPad Pro and Pencil while demoing the tablet app, UMake.xyz. We also featured the Tinder-meets-politics app, Voter.xyz, in a gen.xyz blog postearlier today.

And hacktv.xyz where facebook officially linked their live session by mark.

These indirect branding/marketing would see the rising of this extension and has a very good chance atleast for resellers. No matter who wins, finally as domaineers, we should see the future coming and thats where we will make our $ .

So to keep it simple, the chances of the common man knowing about xyz is lot more than any gtld because of its speculation and newsstories that keeps going up and offcourse also due to google's backing.