new gtlds nGTLDs plateauing at 27-29million. Growth RATE has reduced by 90%

[betthelot]

nGTLDs plateauing at 27-29million. Growth RATE has reduced by 90% . 4million regged in first quarter 2016 but less than 300,000 in first two months of 2017.
Lots of free-minimum drops to come, rather than plateauing at 30 million could be the peak and down hill from here.
Clear winner .com and note .click over 60% of sites scanned were spam or harmful to your computer's health, this is the last refugee for many of these strings, even for Frank's vision.

 

[Steve Miller]

Kate, I referred to the Dot-Com bubble because everyone thought the internet was doomed after the crash. (Look at it now! Although some analysts are predicting another bubble is about to burst). Most people here seem to think nGTLDs are doomed. All I am saying is give it time. Don't write it off too early.

By the way it was a typo. accommodation.direct

Yes! in the face of no consumer demand. It's the old adage buy when everyone else is selling.

 

[Steve Miller]

Kate, What do you mean by the "so-called" Dot Com Bubble. Don't you think it happened?

 

[NigelD]

You're entitled to your view on this Steve - but its only fair to newbies for them to see the other side of the coin.

The stats show a slowing market for ngtlds - each new extension is diluting the demand further. Once the promotions are over, and the registrations fall off, the renewal fees will be a killer. If you're only holding two domains then you can probably afford to hold tight - but if you've got a portfolio - you'll have no chance.

There was a post on here last week from someone who had been investing in ngtlds. He's down $280 - he dropped 215 domains and sold 198 domains but for a grand total of $680. It's not just the money though - it's the sheer waste of time.

 

[betthelot]

Desperate, I have to admit that's a funny one. I marketed some of my domains including, Heart.Surgery in November of 2015

https://www.namepros.com/threads/heart-surgery.893587/

And I'm desperate to sell my name ?
Almost 6500 views, I am not even close to being desperate to sell Heart.Surgery or any of my Gtlds ... If I was, I would've taken the several offers, I received a long time ago ...
I have preached many times and will preach it again, the price is $100K

As for Denver.Properties, I spoke with the owner of Denver.com, the CEO of Kentwood Realestate, and many other famous faces in Denver Realestate ... It's hard to convince someone on a new subject but to say all of them were not intrigued, would be a straight up lie ... And in a Realestate market such as Denver, five figures (enduser pricing) is more then fair, you should study up, Denver is becoming the fastest growing city in Denver due to legalization of Marijuana and a healthy demographic of young people populating the city ...

Have you ever been outside your office cubicle ? Croatia is also booming in a different industry, that being tourism and hence the reason one of the most popular TV shows in the United States was filmed there,
Game of Thrones ... Don't forget StarWars or JamesBond ... I lived south of Dubrovnik in Cavtat for, oh say a couple years and I can tell you for a fact, unless you have been there, you don't have a clue, and I cannot blame you, most people don't even know where Croatia is ...

And I think for a couple years I have gained a competitive knowledge for Gtlds in general, proud owner of E.Credit and Easy.Credit and for those who even come close to doubting my integrity in the slightest, I signed a contract for %100 ownership of Mortgage.Loans by 2018

Look who owns Mortgage.biz and Mortgage.com

Yea I put my money where my mouth is, what about you ?

Strange reply so I will make it short.
$100k for heart.surgery and the market said no. You can ask what you like doesn't mean it's worth it
Denver.properties no one interested but some are polite and engage with you. Great.
Something about Croatia unsure what this has to do with domaining.
Because Citi bank own mortgage.com somehow that means you are in the same orbit with mortgage.loans - two unrelated.
And then some dribble about money and a photo of a yacht No one cares about your money and boasting is only done by those who feel ignored.
I think we should leave it there

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Strange reply so I will make it short.
$100k for heart.surgery and the market said no. You can ask what you like doesn't mean it's worth it
Denver.properties no one interested but some are polite and engage with you. Great.
Something about Croatia unsure what this has to do with domaining.
Because Citi bank own mortgage.com somehow that means you are in the same orbit with mortgage.loans - two unrelated.
And then some dribble about money and a photo of a yacht No one cares about your money and boasting is only done by those who feel ignored.
I think we should leave it there

You're the one who started the fire buddy ! And boasting, no, not at all.
Simply pointing out your comical approaches at knocking me down, not just in domaining but in general.

And I have to tell you from my point of view that's a weak ass approach,
Boasting about how I am in the same league as Citibank ? I never stated that, I simply took the links you provided to make me "look like a fool" and stated my reasons for my investments ... Maybe I should do the same for you ?

As much as you admire me, you must have not of seen my investments in 2015 were related to tourism and specifically Croatia ...
why did you pull links from your @$$ without reading up !

Domains on a market view, you're right I can price Heart.Surgery however I feel, but I should not be taunted or screwed with by someone like you ! Photo of a yacht, you think that was my point ? That's the water of Cavtat, a clear view of how much money is in little villages such as these ... I've personally seen the boat of the Monarch of Qatar and it was not in the Middle East ... Point being I make investments first hand ...

I don't claim to be the man. Neither do I act like I put my money where my mouth is ... How was winning travel.agency @betthelot ?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/why-im-bidding-on-pc-guru-and-travel-agency.927141/

https://www.namepros.com/threads/travel-agency-what-will-it-sell-for.925626/

The problem with you is you change your mind often, one moment you're about investing in Gtlds, next you're against your own side, stating some will make some money and some will lose money ... Is that not common sense ?

make up your mind already and when you do don't talk about putting the money up, just do it

 

[NigelD]

do you really have to post the fword in here Alessandro - nobody else is using that language to get their point across.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

do you really have to post the fword in here Alessandro - nobody else is using that language to get their point across.

There is no other word for what betthelot did ...

And this is not club penguin ... We're all professionals here, all be it, some of us like to act like children ...
If you're under 18 years old, then you shouldn't be domaining, period

 

[JB Lions]

and I am in the midst of working with a multi billion dollar company using a .loans

You're the one who started the fire buddy ! And boasting, no, not at all.
Simply pointing out your comical approaches at knocking me down, not just in domaining but in general.

And I have to tell you from my point of view that's a weak ass approach,
Boasting about how I am in the same league as Citibank ? I never stated that, I simply took the links you provided to make me "look like a fool" and stated my reasons for my investments ... Maybe I should do the same for you ?

As much as you admire me, you must have not of seen my investments in 2015 were related to tourism and specifically Croatia ...
why did you pull links from your @$$ without reading up !

Domains on a market view, you're right I can price Heart.Surgery however I feel, but I should not be taunted or screwed with by someone like you ! Photo of a yacht, you think that was my point ? That's the water of Cavtat, a clear view of how much money is in little villages such as these ... I've personally seen the boat of the Monarch of Qatar and it was not in the Middle East ... Point being I make investments first hand ...

I don't claim to be the man. Neither do I act like I put my money where my mouth is ... How was winning travel.agency @betthelot ?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/why-im-bidding-on-pc-guru-and-travel-agency.927141/

https://www.namepros.com/threads/travel-agency-what-will-it-sell-for.925626/

The problem with you is you change your mind often, one moment you're about investing in Gtlds, next you're against your own side, stating some will make some money and some will lose money ... Is that not common sense ?

make up your mind already and when you do don't talk about putting the money up, just do it

I haven't kept up but what are you new gtld sales to this point?

and I am in the midst of working with a multi billion dollar company using a .loans

I can be an affiliate of some loan company with an affiliate program and that statement would be true but doesn't mean much. In your case what does it mean specifically?

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

I haven't kept up but what are you new gtld sales to this point?



I can be an affiliate of some loan company with an affiliate program and that statement would be true but doesn't mean much. In your case what does it mean specifically?

The son of Don Corleone, I have no beef with you, so I recommend you racketeer somewhere else my friend

 

[JB Lions]

The son of Don Corleone, I have no beef with you, so I recommend you racketeer somewhere else my friend

The son of posting watch and yacht pics to try to impress people, my questions were legit.

What are your new gtld sales to this point?

What specifically did you mean with the loans? It is something besides you just being an affiliate, if so, what?

You post this stuff all the time, it's just you're always lacking in any specifics, the stuff that matters. You can talk to anybody in the world, but are you actually closing on anything?

 

[betthelot]

You're the one who started the fire buddy ! And boasting, no, not at all.
Simply pointing out your comical approaches at knocking me down, not just in domaining but in general.

And I have to tell you from my point of view that's a weak ass approach,
Boasting about how I am in the same league as Citibank ? I never stated that, I simply took the links you provided to make me "look like a fool" and stated my reasons for my investments ... Maybe I should do the same for you ?

As much as you admire me, you must have not of seen my investments in 2015 were related to tourism and specifically Croatia ...
why did you pull links from your @$$ without reading up !

Domains on a market view, you're right I can price Heart.Surgery however I feel, but I should not be taunted or screwed with by someone like you ! Photo of a yacht, you think that was my point ? That's the water of Cavtat, a clear view of how much money is in little villages such as these ... I've personally seen the boat of the Monarch of Qatar and it was not in the Middle East ... Point being I make investments first hand ...

I don't claim to be the man. Neither do I act like I put my money where my mouth is ... How was winning travel.agency @betthelot ?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/why-im-bidding-on-pc-guru-and-travel-agency.927141/

https://www.namepros.com/threads/travel-agency-what-will-it-sell-for.925626/

The problem with you is you change your mind often, one moment you're about investing in Gtlds, next you're against your own side, stating some will make some money and some will lose money ... Is that not common sense ?

make up your mind already and when you do don't talk about putting the money up, just do it

Just some strange rant. You win Alessandro you've managed to shout me down.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

The son of posting watch and yacht pics to try to impress people, my questions were legit.

What are your new gtld sales to this point?

What specifically did you mean with the loans?

My passion is horological history of timepieces both in retrospect of two eras of classic and modern,

A Lange & Söhne
&
Richard Mille

(My favorite brands to define this)

If you want to question me about pictures of my life, then personally message me ...

Not impressing anyone here, haha, again, the point was the bay of Cavtat not a yacht.

 

[JB Lions]

My passion is horological history of timepieces both in retrospect of two eras of classic and modern,

A Lange & Söhne
&
Richard Mille

(My favorite brands to define this)

If you want to question me about pictures of my life, then personally message me ...

Not impressing anyone here, haha, again, the point was the bay of Cavtat not a yacht.

That didn't touch any of my first questions, you just sidestepped them.

Your new gtld sales to this point?

This:
"I am in the midst of working with a multi billion dollar company using a .loans"

What does that mean?

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

That didn't touch any of my first questions, you just sidestepped them.

I invited you over for dinner, did you get the message ?

 

[betthelot]

The son of posting watch and yacht pics to try to impress people, my questions were legit.

You post this stuff all the time, it's just you're always lacking in any specifics, the stuff that matters. You can talk to anybody in the world, but are you actually closing on anything?

How true Mr JB Lions hold him to account with all this ranting and boasting that's meaningless.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

How true Mr JB Lions hold him to account with all this ranting and boasting that's meaningless.

Why don't you start a thread about me gentlemen ... I don't have the time nor patience to entertain the both of you ... But mark my words, I meant what I said betthelot

 

[betthelot]

. But mark my words, I meant what I said betthelot

I didn't bother to read it.
You wrote something about check who owns mortgage.com as you own mortgage.loans so I did, it's CitiBank and now you are ranting about me bringing up Citibank. It was at that point I stopped reading............

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

I didn't bother to read it.
You wrote something about check who owns mortgage.com as you own mortgage.loans so I did, it's CitiBank and now you are ranting about me bringing up Citibank. It was at that point I stopped reading............

My initial point was how someone could be successful with a Gtld, specifically .loans then you slapped me around with that comment ^

I never claimed to be in the same league as Citibank, I just stated a fair example of such names, one of which I did invest in because I do believe in the power of Gtlds ...

Have something else to say, just send it to me directly

 

[NigelD]

So what happened to the .click extension? just noticed 39.74% in 'upcoming deletes' and has been dropping sharply since Nov 2016. That's the highest percentage of upcoming deletes I've seen so far. Anyone seen any higher than that?

 

[betthelot]

So what happened to the .click extension? just noticed 39.74% in 'upcoming deletes' and has been dropping sharply since Nov 2016. That's the highest percentage of upcoming deletes I've seen so far. Anyone seen any higher than that?

Probably North Sounding Names deleting all so called premiums. It's a Frank Schilling wheeze to by pass domainers, whereby he registers his own names, under North Sounding Names, then sales them at a premium to end users but they didn't show up. Changing his business model now, maybe he's thinking domainers are needed in the eco system after all.

 

[NigelD]

Thanks - I didn't know about that - just read some info here

 

[GoKaizen]

http://www.hosterstats.com/link-website-usage-survey.php

Changing his business model now, maybe he's thinking domainers are needed in the eco system after all.

 

[betthelot]

Interview Frank did just before launch of his first two strings, saying all available at registration price no premiums. Then he pulls the trick of regging them under a North Sounding Names. Many times he said one standard reg fee, no holding reserving names, at conferences and interviews. Just another way to create hype to get domainers to rush but all that was left were left overs. Nothing wrong with it just business but hes no domainers friend, an assassin with a huuuuge bank balance.

your first released GTLDs. Do you have any restrictions on registering them, and will you be holding back any premium keywords?

Frank Schilling: There will be no restrictions. In order to obtain a fast-track to market, ICANN has mandated that we hold certain domain-names back from release for security and stability reasons. We had a choice of waiting till the cows come home to get through these security issues, or going live now and holding those names from the market.. here are some examples of the types of names we need to hold back.. You can see there are some good ones in there but also lots of junk. The size of the lists range from a few hundred to tens of thousands, depending on the extension. The rest of the names will be available at registration price.

 

[betthelot]

From the same interview

There is talk of the new GTLDs going the route of .tv pricing of past. Do you see that also, and do you think you will apply it to any of your extensions?

Frank Schilling: Great question. I don’t like that model and I think those spaces should be avoided. Uniregistry is not going to do variable pricing where the renewal costs the same as the acquisition. I believe in low predictable renewal prices for my registrants so they can afford to amortize the upfront costs of the name when they buy it from somebody like you who got it for registration price on the landrush. I believe the registry should get out of the way of it’s registrants and let those registrants trade, prosper and grow the namespace.

All the bloggers are his friend so he gets away with it no outcry as there was with .xyz when they pumped numbers. St. Frank was left alone.

http://dotwhatever.com/dotwhatever-interview-frank-schilling/

 

[jmcc]

From my experience in business and in the sharemarket, when talk is negative amongst the masses it's time to get in.

The share markets are often highly regulated. Domain markets, especially the new gTLDs, are not. The problem for some of these gTLDs is that the masses are not there. With some of the top new gTLDs, the registration numbers cannot be trusted as an indication of demand. They are similar to pump and dump penny stocks.

I own accomodation.direct and creditcards.direct. Surely these two domains are of some value.

Of value to whom? At the moment, they only have value to you, the registrar and the registry. You have paid for them and the registrar and registry have profited. The more relevant question has to do with how long you can absorb those costs until there is a market in which you can sell for a profit.

It's the next best thing if you can't get or afford the .com versions. By having the extension direct, it actually refers to dealing with either the accomodation owner directly and the credit card provider directly.

The position of .DIRECT as being an alternative to .COM is not a good way to look at things. Many of the new gTLDs are niche TLDs and work well as domain hacks. But they are long term holds in that it will take years for some of these TLDs to develop their primary markets. After these TLDs gain recognition and awareness, a secondary market (domain resales) develops. A lot of people are trying to evaluate the resale value of their domains in markets where the primary market is just getting started.

The other important aspect of TLD markets is usage. Domainers do not develop every domain that they register. On a large TLD like .COM, that is not a problem. There is a momentum with that TLD. With a small TLD, too many undeveloped speculative registrations can be bad for the TLD. People are more likely to see a parking page rather than a developed site. Adding a site might even help increase the value of a registration and will improve awareness of the TLD.

Regards...jmcc