discuss Shocking stats of 4N.in --> Chinese Interest in Indian extension is huge

[domainpundit]

we all knew chinese are interested in many extensions , many unaware that they are gaining controls on Indian extension .IN too. some interesting stats on 4N.in has proved the same point. Based on the who is its provens almost 75% of the 4N.in are owned by chinese , Indians are sad to miss this important opportunity...
China - 74.76%
Iran - 11.25%
US - 3.81%
India - 3.67%
Canada - 3.15%
UK - 1.22%
Others - remaining - 2.14%

At very high level i felt the similar invasion is going on 3N.in , 5N.in too.. will share the stats later as still working on it.. also they are showing huge interest on 3L.in names too. also recently most of CVCV.in names are registered by chinese .

is .IN is the next target for big chinese investors.. Its very alarming for those missing .IN boat.

worth a great discussion on this topic..

 

[Silentptnr]

I regged one.

gTLDs.in

 

[aceeca]

I'll be happy to be proved wrong on the number 8 as unlucky in India. I'm not holding fort on this
If anything, it doesn't seem the luckiest out of other numerics.

Here is what I know about numerals in India. Most of the lucky-unlucky is derived from Indian astrology. Instead of terming the numbers as lucky and unlucky, Indians prefer to term them as auspicious & inauspicious respectively.

Unlike in China where, there is a blanket lucky & unlucky across China, same cannot be said for India, because auspicious/inauspicious are at an individual person level. So for some number 4 could be lucky, but for others it might be unlucky. Same for number 8 and other numbers. I also understand why 8 is reagrded as inauspicious in India. Number 8 is associated with the planet Saturn ("Shani" in Hindi) . Saturn for most of the folks is considered unlucky, and if Saturn is placed in an unfavorable position in the Horoscope, there is lot of "Horror" and less "Scope" in life. So that's how number 8 became so infamous.

Hope this helps, I'm not an expert with numerals, but I know a bit after reading through books and talking with astrologers,

 

[TRY]

I copy and pasted the following from a website.

"In India, we believe that the number 8 is an unlucky number. However, the Chinese believe it to be a very lucky number. It has also proved to be lucky for them," says Bejan Daruwalla, famous astrologer."

Numerologist Swetta Jhumani believes, "The date is special. Although the number 8 is not a very auspicious number in numerology, yet the presence of three 8 takes the total to 24 (8+8+8=24), which is considered a good number in numerology."

 

[nsquare]

Based on above discussion and assuming end users will be Indians, I have few points to add -

1. Indians too like chinese love numbers

2. There are no bad numbers, everyone has their own lucky numbers

3. Most inportantly indians would understand where to use them. I dont think if my lucky number is 6, i would try to acquire 888.in or 6666.in since total is 6. I would try to get those numbers in my mobile number or car registration. At the most my apartment number or floor number or i preserve currency notes with that serial number. As these are the places where numbers are important. Having a website with a random number 8525 (because my lucky number is 2) or getting 2508.in because its my birthdate doesnt make big sense. As we are used to acronyms or words in website address.

4. However rounded numbers like 100, 300, 2400, 4300 will fetch value. Numbers like 1001, 101, 501, or 555, 9999, 5555,2929, 4567(patterns and sequences) will also have good value.

5. Some numbers like 786, 0786, 9786 will also fetch good money

6. Random NNNN.in(like 3748 or 7529) has rare enduser potential or will just change hands within investors.

7. Even if i am an enduser wanting random 538 in my website address and 538.in is quoted for $500, i might consider getting ns538 for $4 from registrar as ns would also stand for my initials or my business name.

8. Indians usually dont use only numbers as their firm name or business names

That's my opinion as far as indian endusers are concerned. If chinese decide to host a .in website its a different ball game. Indians wouldn't pay premiums for artificial rarity would rather look for alternatives.

Note: if indian endusers are seen to increase i would acquire more 4L.ins or god names, city names and famous first/last .ins e.g. pdpl.in/Indore.in/ shree.in/ Tirupati.in/ Gupta.in etc.

This is not to oppose or support the idea behind this thread but it is just honest opinion which i can give by sitting in one of the metro cities in India. Please dont take otherwise. Every NPer is my friend and i would like help him/her invest in better way if i know a bit of some topic. Thanks.

 

[BrandChimp]

Based on above discussion and assuming end users will be Indians, I have few points to add -

1. Indians too like chinese love numbers

2. There are no bad numbers, everyone has their own lucky numbers

3. Most inportantly indians would understand where to use them. I dont think if my lucky number is 6, i would try to acquire 888.in or 6666.in since total is 6. I would try to get those numbers in my mobile number or car registration. At the most my apartment number or floor number or i preserve currency notes with that serial number. As these are the places where numbers are important. Having a website with a random number 8525 (because my lucky number is 2) or getting 2508.in because its my birthdate doesnt make big sense. As we are used to acronyms or words in website address.

4. However rounded numbers like 100, 300, 2400, 4300 will fetch value. Numbers like 1001, 101, 501, or 555, 9999, 5555,2929, 4567(patterns and sequences) will also have good value.

5. Some numbers like 786, 0786, 9786 will also fetch good money

6. Random NNNN.in(like 3748 or 7529) has rare enduser potential or will just change hands within investors.

7. Even if i am an enduser wanting random 538 in my website address and 538.in is quoted for $500, i might consider getting ns538 for $4 from registrar as ns would also stand for my initials or my business name.

8. Indians usually dont use only numbers as their firm name or business names

That's my opinion as far as indian endusers are concerned. If chinese decide to host a .in website its a different ball game. Indians wouldn't pay premiums for artificial rarity would rather look for alternatives.

Note: if indian endusers are seen to increase i would acquire more 4L.ins or god names, city names and famous first/last .ins e.g. pdpl.in/Indore.in/ shree.in/ Tirupati.in/ Gupta.in etc.

This is not to oppose or support the idea behind this thread but it is just honest opinion which i can give by sitting in one of the metro cities in India. Please dont take otherwise. Every NPer is my friend and i would like help him/her invest in better way if i know a bit of some topic. Thanks.

Well, thank you for the clarification!

 

[premkumar]

In India, i didn't know any popular website using numbers, English is very commonly understand and used in India, so almost all sites are in English without numbers. I didn't see any use for numbered domain in Indian market.

All for lucky number people prefer odds like 1,5. And 8 is seems unlucky by many people in India. In south India, people don't want to get 8 in my vehicle number or for their plot number.

As i said no market for numbers in India. Here meaningful long keyword domain do well compare to numbers. I know many local business registered using 25 to 30 letter domain in all .com, .in, co.in like petcontrolservicesincityname.co.in etc

 

[premkumar]

@domainpundit
Down south India, 8 is considered very unlucky number, As i said, while buying vehicle, the basically the broker ensure that you don't get 8 in ur number plate. When i brought bike, I asked broker about number pattern, without mentioning anything abt 8. He said, don't worry you won't get 8, apart from you may get any other combination.

 

[domainpundit]

In India, i didn't know any popular website using numbers, English is very commonly understand and used in India, so almost all sites are in English without numbers. I didn't see any use for numbered domain in Indian market.

All for lucky number people prefer odds like 1,5. And 8 is seems unlucky by many people in India. In south India, people don't want to get 8 in my vehicle number or for their plot number.

As i said no market for numbers in India. Here meaningful long keyword domain do well compare to numbers. I know many local business registered using 25 to 30 letter domain in all .com, .in, co.in like petcontrolservicesincityname.co.in etc

Thats exactly the poor vision .. all number plates in India are 4 digits.. why people are paying premium prices for number plates ? are you not aware of some one paying almost 15K USD to get a number plate of 9999. i am not sure where you are from .. when i was living in Hyd i remember lot of vehicle plate number auctions... where people has paid premium prices to get those number plates... At present Indians are developing websites using latin letters, no doubts about it..

do you think petcontrolservicesincityname.co.in is much better than 1122.in ? its just those guys with lack of knowledge are setting of those ... also its easy to remember 1122.in and also less error free when typing ... how do people type such big URLs in mobile browsers as its one of the main way of accessing web in India. not to look at present , but look at future. if we cant look at future trends and how we will be successful.. just my opinion

 

[premkumar]

Thats exactly the poor vision .. all number plates in India are 4 digits.. why people are paying premium prices for number plates ? are you not aware of some one paying almost 15K USD to get a number plate of 9999. i am not sure where you are from .. when i was living in Hyd i remember lot of vehicle plate number auctions... where people has paid premium prices to get those number plates... At present Indians are developing websites using latin letters, no doubts about it..

do you think petcontrolservicesincityname.co.in is much better than 1122.in ? its just those guys with lack of knowledge are setting of those ... also its easy to remember 1122.in and also less error free when typing ... how do people type such big URLs in mobile browsers as its one of the main way of accessing web in India. not to look at present , but look at future. if we cant look at future trends and how we will be successful.. just my opinion

That were you make mistake, mobile number and number plates are different. I too pay 25k for fancy mobile number but not for domain. See the difference here:

1. Bike Number are not their for others to remmeber but it paid becoz of auspicious numbers and to show urself as VIP. (mobile is different case though)
2. In Vehicle plate only number are allowed and not letters.
3. Take example of USA, which is most matured domain market and very similar to India. most people understand english(in India most people understand common english words only). People in USA don't use numbers, if they want they could have registered all 2 digits and most 2 digit.com will be big business like amazon.com. Tell me why Amazon.com went for letter than number like 99.com or 100.com. Same for India, As per ur logic, flipkart.com tuff to remember then why they choose than like 1.in or 100.in?

India is not china, I had my own 1st .in domain registered in 2005, its a long one 15 character but that make sense for me than 2 digit .in.


For Indian market, i am one of end user and not only that i registered domain names for many of my Indian customer, none asked me to register number.

 

[premkumar]

Why 8 is unlucky in India:

In numerology, The head of 8th house is Saturn(which is Shani). Those who are hindus knows, God Shani Bhagavan gives Hardship and test your life to its limits. That why 8 is avoided.
check this:
http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/1412917-number-8-is-it-really-unlucky/

 

[domainpundit]

Why 8 is unlucky in India:

In numerology, The head of 8th house is Saturn(which is Shani). Those who are hindus knows, God Shani Bhagavan gives Hardship and test your life to its limits. That why 8 is avoided.
check this:
http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/1412917-number-8-is-it-really-unlucky/

its conflicting answers.. i am not much worried if 8 is lucky or unlucky. at least i personally believe 8 is not unlucky.. even the thread you posted , the astrologer clearly mentioned 8 is not unlucky .. its just indians who dont want to be accountable hence they avoid number 8. thats what i understood from the above link.

 

[premkumar]

As i said, I personally avoid and most people do in my state atleast. I have seen people, skiping mobile with 8 or vehicle number 8 or 8 when the 4 digit a are totaled. What i said his mostly on my experience and in my house to we avoid 8. My grand ma, home number is 8 and I have seen often people raising concern saying, "oh ur home is no 8 !. I was surprised when you said, you never seen such thing about 8 in India. I don't know about North India but if you have friend in South ask them.

 

[domainpundit]

That were you make mistake, mobile number and number plates are different. I too pay 25k for fancy mobile number but not for domain. See the difference here:

1. Bike Number are not their for others to remmeber but it paid becoz of auspicious numbers and to show urself as VIP. (mobile is different case though)
2. In Vehicle plate only number are allowed and not letters.
3. Take example of USA, which is most matured domain market and very similar to India. most people understand english(in India most people understand common english words only). People in USA don't use numbers, if they want they could have registered all 2 digits and most 2 digit.com will be big business like amazon.com. Tell me why Amazon.com went for letter than number like 99.com or 100.com. Same for India, As per ur logic, flipkart.com tuff to remember then why they choose than like 1.in or 100.in?

India is not china, I had my own 1st .in domain registered in 2005, its a long one 15 character but that make sense for me than 2 digit .in.


For Indian market, i am one of end user and not only that i registered domain names for many of my Indian customer, none asked me to register number.

in 1999 anyone paid for mobile numbers , at least i have taken a repeatable mobile number in Hyd in 2004 , which is not for free any more its a premium name to buy now.. at that time i have went to a shop and looked into a dozen sims and just hand picked the number i like.. things are much different after 11 years..

I am not saying Amazon.in will change amazon.in to 100.in .. Indeed Latin characters are most preferred than numbers, there is no argument required on that front.. i am with you 200%.

Only the point i am trying to correct is after the good latin characters names are gone , it is better to develop a website 1122.in than using too lengthy URLs. India has many million small businesses from branding point of view also its easy to keep a shorter URL than a lengthy URLs.. i am fairly confident many will realise these shorter URLs demand over period of time.. for now i will leave it here.. its just two different individuals with different opinions.

 

[JackChan]

Guys. I think most of the ones who bought NNN.in in the past few month .. Most of them arent for Indian business, but those are Chinese investor(s). I have some friends from India, they did tell me people there does not use numeric to represent for their business. That is why most of business from India are using letters/characters like our Western. In that case, the India region care characters more than numerics.

 

[premkumar]

@domainpundit, you are right in saying that, but Latin number are large and they won't so soon. a 8 letter combination goes in to crores. so take a very long time. I have many numberic domains but none in .in

 

[premkumar]

@JackChan ur right, If chinese buy then it a different game, i hope they do buy . But sure no Indian market for numeric's

 

[domainpundit]

Guys. I think most of the ones who bought NNN.in in the past few month .. Most of them arent for Indian business, but those are Chinese investor(s). I have some friends from India, they did tell me people there does not use numeric to represent for their business. That is why most of business from India are using letters/characters like our Western. In that case, the India region care characters more than numerics.

I will publish the NNN.in stats.. i agree most of the purchases recently made are from China.. this thread begining also i have highlighted the same.. its surprising to see chinese interest in Indian extension is large..
they also own 10% LLL.in names , also almost 24% NNN.in names when i have previously checked.. things might changed now, will look into the new stats and will publish them accordingly.
I have seen few NNNN.in sites operational from china and also same for NNN.in too.

 

[domainpundit]

@JackChan ur right, If chinese buy then it a different game, i hope they do buy . But sure no Indian market for numeric's

You are too away from .IN , thats exactly what i can understand from the above statement.. there are Indian businesses who want to use .in or .co.in , but the latin characters preferred over numbers. agreed.

 

[domainpundit]

You are too away from .IN , thats exactly what i can understand from the above statement.. there are Indian businesses who want to use .in or .co.in , but the latin characters preferred over numbers. agreed.

I have sold 499.in for a premium price to a Indian and also i know few other websites like 513.co.in

 

[domainpundit]

I have also noticed few chinese users really using these .in names examples are 128.in, 007.in 112.in .etc

 

[domainpundit]

I have sold 499.in for a premium price to a Indian and also i know few other websites like 513.co.in

Prem, I have just spent 15 minutes and found few websites. i will develop this knowledge base further to analyse if NNN.in and NNNN.in are getting used in India or not. not only in India and anywhere else..
follow this thread if you like up to date on my findings..

https://www.namepros.com/threads/show-case-nnn-in-and-4n-in-websites-in-use.912499/

 

[4pm]

to those who believe indians (end users) are interested in numerical domains: 7 reported nnn.in sales in 2015 - owners are all Chinese, most names are for sale.. just check whois

 

[Chirag]

@domainpundit, nice start, thanks for the thread. It was due from long long time.

I suppose a floor price for NNNN.in is already established?

Floor is yet to be set. As only few people are selling them, most of them are not. I have came across some people wanting $100 for single nnnn.in, not pattern. Simple nnnn.in

.in extension is perhaps the most under rated currently in the market place

Bang on Target.....

I own 11 NNNNN.in all 888 or 8887 combinations...hope for best this year

Nice vision brother I missed the boat already lol.

I can't see Internet speeds catching up with China, let alone the West for years. That leaves the industry in question in my eyes for some time.

Well if you can read about ecommerce in India you can understand how big how quickly this digital India notion is improving. In last 5 yrs things have changed. Even 5 yr old kid is using internet in cities. In next couple of yrs this would reach even to the remotest part of India. And about Internet speeds, even 1GBPS is available in India. But thats leased line for companies. Why would you need more than some xxMBPS speed ? for hosting sites ? for that we can use US datacenters, and even Indian datacenters which have good connectivity.

I regged one.

gTLDs.in

awesome buy !!!

to those who believe indians (end users) are interested in numerical domains: 7 reported nnn.in sales in 2015 - owners are all Chinese, most names are for sale.. just check whois

There are just around 1000 combinations of nnn.in, very rare. Even if you exclude Chinese buyer, thr are people interested in nnn.in. You just need to look around.

 

[Chirag]

Regarding NNNN.in, Indians don't buy .INs ... They prefer only dot coms. .IN is not familiar in India... All websites except Amazon.in are .COMs only.

So untrue, yes .com is preferred; not just in India but everywhere. But we have sites with .in extension and most of the Indians are very well versed with what .in is. There are so many examples excluding government sites like google.co.in scroll.in amway.in airtel.in zoho.in vodafone.in hostgator.in disney.in foodpanda.in epson.in different bank uses it, diff airlines uses it. I have so so many examples of .in usage mate.

Morever Indians don't buy domains in reseller market.. They give least importance to domains unlike Chinese.

Again wrong, looking at some users on forum who dont buy...you cant claim no Indians buy domain from reseller market. They even buy from end user market. I know few people doing it. @Soofi bought a .in for $xxxx USD recently @domaindia again bought a .in for xxxx recently thr are so many users @domainpundit @chetan9693 @Genius327 @Dhairya etc etc who buy from resellers market. Am new so I know just small amount of people doing it. But you can figure it out already

Domain business in INDIA is in very nascent stage.. So I suggest don't jump to .in domain purchase...it is just waste of money.. Always depend on DOT COM only...

Again wrong. I just dont want to go on and on to prove my point.

 

[Silentptnr]

I also invested in
JJYY.IN
BBYY.IN
WWFF.IN