news All English Premium LLLL.net were registered today

[djum]

English Premium letters = A B C D E F G H L M N O P R S T

We were tracking them here:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/premium-llll-net-countdown-2015.882216/

Last 5020 got registered just in one day.
Most takers were from China, but some from around the world too.
More than 10 000 LLLL.net were registered today total
Will provide update with exact number and list of names registered today in few hours.
Good chance now that all LLLL.net will follow the case, since Chinese were buying many domains that included vowels and letter V.

 

[gilescoley]

LLLL.com failed first time because it was too early, look at them now.

yeah, good brandables sell well but look at all these selling recently for $100 each, not exactly what people predicted

Good names will always sell for good prices, especially if they are pronounceable, but average letters will still not be in huge demand, just because of a buyout

ubyr.com
zehx.com
ljuz.com
szmv.com
bvyh.com
ykfh.com
jhlv.com
jbvk.com
qzoh.com
vjhq.com
odzr.com
pvfk.com
czuq.com
jpxv.com
xrnv.com
vzgg.com
kwvo.com
jvsm.com
vpwq.com
vuej.com
nvkh.com
ohzt.com
xjcu.com
vxnw.com
vxnk.com

 

[djum]

There's nothing selling at $100 today, check http://www.llllsales.com/.
Minimum price is higher, the worst sell for $175, and something that's looks just better, but still may have zero companies associated is $200+

 

[gilescoley]

You are much better off using reputable well-known site like namebio or dnjournal for recorded sales, domainers have been using these sites for years, you have to provide proof before the report the sales

All the above $100 sales are reported from namejet, Godaddy, Flippa and Sedo

 

[krx]

yeah, good brandables sell well but look at all these selling recently for $100 each, not exactly what people predicted

Good names will always sell for good prices, especially if they are pronounceable, but average letters will still not be in huge demand, just because of a buyout

ubyr.com
zehx.com
ljuz.com
szmv.com
bvyh.com
ykfh.com
jhlv.com
jbvk.com
qzoh.com
vjhq.com
odzr.com
pvfk.com
czuq.com
jpxv.com
xrnv.com
vzgg.com
kwvo.com
jvsm.com
vpwq.com
vuej.com
nvkh.com
ohzt.com
xjcu.com
vxnw.com
vxnk.com

ubyr.com was reported on 10/20 (LLLLsales.com) and zehx.com on 10/6, but the rest appear to be from September and earlier. Prices have risen drastically since then.

 

[djum]

//You are much better off using reputable well-known site like namebio or dnjournal for recorded sales, domainers have been using these sites for years, you have to provide proof before the report the sales

You seems like and old-schools guy, I like that.

But LLLLsales.com is well recognized resource and people investing in LLLL using it all the times, because it concentrates on LLLL.com only and have more stats than namebio and dnjournal or dnpric.es.
Also @rpanella who develops this resource is here at the forum and you can ask him about certain sales and request features.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/llllsales-com-feedback-bugs-suggestions-etc.561686/

Personally I would put Goldnames.com on second place for fresh sales, then dnpric.es over namebio, since they working faster, but amount of stats is about the same.
Dnjournal is for high sales only, it doesn't report all the sales, and most domainers don't have $10000 sales, so it's kind of elite group Dnjournal is for, and for us, rice farmers Goldnames and dnpric.es works better.

I also like to read sales reviews on the blogs by DomainShane and DomainNameWire..

/All the above $100 sales are reported from namejet, Godaddy, Flippa and Sedo

That is correct and LLLLsales.com has them all.
But the question is when those sales occured.
If 2 month ago was possible to buy LLLL.com for $100, today it's not.
4 month ago you could score a name here and there for $50-70, but that's old news to current market situation.

 

[gilescoley]

The sales are over the last 2 months, some this month as well, nothing changes that much in 2-3 weeks, maybe a small increase, but nothing worth getting excited about

Not really old-school, but just always use the tried the tested, every 2nd person is bringing out a sales reporting site now

Anyway, good luck with it, I wish you all the best

 

[equity78]

You are much better off using reputable well-known site like namebio or dnjournal for recorded sales, domainers have been using these sites for years, you have to provide proof before the report the sales

All the above $100 sales are reported from namejet, Godaddy, Flippa and Sedo

Namebio does not have sales reported to them, only DN Journal, Namebio has many sales in their database that actually did not go through or renewed.

 

[Chirag]

Soon some domainers would start buying in another extension and every one would say Chinese users are buying them and new kind of hype would bring end of 4L.some_extension. It will go on for sometime until the time people would understand random domains would not work unless .com. This is this hype, making people buy domains at $50. In my opinion only pronounceable and some acronyms should/would be working in nearby future. Anyways we can ride on this hype and make something out of it till then.

PS.... just my 2 cents, you have every right to disagree.

 

[djum]

Don't believe in hype, believe in facts, that's why I provided the stats of exact domains registered.
Do you homework, go check the whois information, and you will see exactly who registered them, most are Chinese.

http://www68.zippyshare.com/v/sNSwkvVv/file.html

 

[Apprich]

You are much better off using reputable well-known site like namebio or dnjournal for recorded sales, domainers have been using these sites for years, you have to provide proof before the report the sales

All the above $100 sales are reported from namejet, Godaddy, Flippa and Sedo

I was questioning the rapid increase on prices and decided to ask my customer representative in Godaddy.
Look what he said

"Here are two sites www llllsales com that track www llllsales com/charts.php 4 letter .com sales "

 

[gilescoley]

I was questioning the rapid increase on prices and decided to ask my customer representative in Godaddy.
Look what he said

"Here are two sites www llllsales com that track www llllsales com/charts.php 4 letter .com sales "

Yep, I still stick to tried and tested, where do the sales comes from, is proof needed for a sale to be listed? I have seen "domainer" sales reported (on lot of different extensions) on various sites that I know did not happen as the WHOIS didnt ever change.

Im not saying thats the case here, but showing you why you should always stick to what has worked over the years and use sites that people trust

Anyway, just giving a different view of things, I seriously hope everyone makes some great sales in 2015/2016

 

[GravityEleven]

Giles, it seems you have been gone from the Domaining forefront for a while.. there are lots of "trends" appearing since the past 1-2 months only but sucking in too much money to ignore.. if you play your cards well you can take home some nice profits which you can reinvest in more tried & tested trends/domains anyway..

but it would be silly to ignore what's happening here lately in Domaining.. even i have invested into 6-8N numerics quite a lot in the past weeks and am realizing some profits already.. never hurts to jump the train before it leaves and to put eggs in different baskets..

question is, do you want to face the additional stress of keeping up with all these trends/buyouts/investment waves.. if you got the time to do so besides ur main job or whatever else you do, go for it..

 

[Konga]

English Premium letters = A B C D E F G H L M N O P R S T

We were tracking them here:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/premium-llll-net-countdown-2015.882216/

Last 5020 got registered just in one day.
Most takers were from China, but some from around the world too.
More than 10 000 LLLL.net were registered today total
Will provide update with exact number and list of names registered today in few hours.
Good chance now that all LLLL.net will follow the case, since Chinese were buying many domains that included vowels and letter V.

Hey Djum, Do you have any updates you can share with us, if more llll.net being regd?

 

[DomainVP]

Im not saying thats the case here, but showing you why you should always stick to what has worked over the years and use sites that people trust

Sound advice.

 

[BrandChimp]

I received few offers for $60 at Flippa for my Chinese LLLL.net today, but not selling them that cheap.

Problem here is that noone have them in bulk, not Chinese ones.

And spam letters with $50 lowball offers started coming in too, people with 50+ names can confirm that.

Flippa = Lowball

 

[gilescoley]

Thanks GravityEleven, but I'll pass on that

Its safer to avoid the hype and stick to what works, these buyouts have happened for years and watch the outcome of all this in 2 or 3 years time...same thing every time

 

[zollars Guo]

yeah, good brandables sell well but look at all these selling recently for $100 each, not exactly what people predicted

Good names will always sell for good prices, especially if they are pronounceable, but average letters will still not be in huge demand, just because of a buyout

ubyr.com
zehx.com
ljuz.com
szmv.com
bvyh.com
ykfh.com
jhlv.com
jbvk.com
qzoh.com
vjhq.com
odzr.com
pvfk.com
czuq.com
jpxv.com
xrnv.com
vzgg.com
kwvo.com
jvsm.com
vpwq.com
vuej.com
nvkh.com
ohzt.com
xjcu.com
vxnw.com
vxnk.com

$100 each one ????????????????????????
SO CHEAPLY!!!

 

[Apprich]

Thanks GravityEleven, but I'll pass on that

Its safer to avoid the hype and stick to what works, these buyouts have happened for years and watch the outcome of all this in 2 or 3 years time...same thing every time

Difference from the past, Chinese factor and Asian market.
There are 7,2 billion people living on earth where as only 3,2 billion internet users. These numbers were just fraction of it 10 years ago.. And while internet penetration over population is 90% in North America , it's just 38% in Asia and 48% in China, just %28 in India. And Asian internet users increasing rapidly everyday..

And imagine while money flows from West to East in economical perspective, Asians and Chinese will get more rich everyday and will start using internet more and more. You can imaging in 5-10 years there is going to be 4-5 billion internet users. This is why ICANN decided to release generic TLDs and why former Google CEO Eric Schmidt warns about close future internet will have flood of Asian internet users.

 

[gilescoley]

Difference from the past, Chinese factor and Asian market.
There are 7,2 billion people living on earth where as only 3,2 billion internet users. These numbers were just fraction of it 10 years ago.. And while internet penetration over population is 90% in North America , it's just 38% in Asia and 48% in China. And Asian internet users increasing rapidly everyday..

And imagine while money flows from West to East in economical perspective, Asians and Chinese will get more rich everyday and will start using internet more and more. You can imaging in 5-10 years there is going to be 4-5 billion internet users. This is why ICANN decided to release generic TLDs and why former Google CEO Eric Schmidt warns about close future internet will have flood of Asian internet users.

I am not saying don't sell to the Chinese, I mean I have sold names to Chinese investors. I am just saying dont get caught up in the whole "domainer buyout" hype, thats all

The Chinese are investing more in domains than any other nation, so it would be stupid to ignore that, but I wont be running out and grabbing llll.net names just because a Chinese investor registered a whole bunch of them

 

[Kate]

...
There are 7,2 billion people living on earth where as only 3,2 billion internet users. These numbers were just fraction of it 10 years ago.. And while internet penetration over population is 90% in North America , it's just 38% in Asia and 48% in China, just %28 in India. And Asian internet users increasing rapidly everyday..
...

There is a flaw here: there is no direct correlation between Internet penetration rates, and the demand for domain names. For a simple reason: Internet users don't need domain names to surf the web. They just need IPv4/v6 addresses, and the ISP takes care of that.
Even in the most developed countries, few people own domain names unless they want a blog or set up their own E-mail. As you know, almost everybody uses gmail and facebook... just because they are familiar with domain names doesn't mean they want one.
The end users/buyers are normally buying names for business purposes. So it's not like every earthling is a possible end user.
The market is not growing exponentially.

 

[Apprich]

There is a flaw here: there is no direct correlation between Internet penetration rates, and the demand for domain names. For a simple reason: Internet users don't need domain names to surf the web. They just need IPv4/v6 addresses, and the ISP takes care of that.
Even in the most developed countries, few people own domain names unless they want a blog or set up their own E-mail. As you know, almost everybody uses gmail and facebook... just because they are familiar with domain names doesn't mean they want one.
The end users/buyers are normally buying names for business purposes. So it's not like every earthling is a possible end user.
The market is not growing exponentially.

There is no direct correlation in the numbers as i presented, but there is a direct relation with internet users quantity and internet web sites quantity in the sense. Even though you can do more analysis to find out correlation however this is an academical research subject which i am not an academics.

But in a simple way of thinking, just imagine that internet users quantity increasing as this implies there is a more consumption on internet market. When there is more consumption on internet market there is need for more internet shops, or let say websites.. As we know websites needs some identifier domain names to make it ease of use, we cannot use IP addresses to find websites this is an impractical.

Therefore, we can simply say there is need more domain names in the future, otherwise how do you explain ICANN had to release new TLDs for many years if there was no need for new domain names?

And also we are in the digital age, creating website is a very common thing everybody can easily create website, and you think they all will use facebook, or blog? They will need and learn domain names at some point.

My other theory which is more consumption of domain names in the future rely on having a digital property rather than real property will be more preferable by people.. It's much more easy to have your property on internet than having property in real world. So, domain names are the essential part of having digital property.

 

[Kate]

But in a simple way of thinking, just imagine that internet users quantity increasing as this implies there is a more consumption on internet market. When there is more consumption on internet market there is need for more internet shops, or let say websites..

Yes, of course the Internet is growing. Thus the number of websites/webshops is increasing too. So the demand for domain names also increases but in limited proportions.
That's my point: do not overestimate the potential of the domain market. The people who are getting online are not all web entrepreneurs. Most will never buy a domain name at all.

Therefore, we can simply say there is need more domain names in the future, otherwise how do you explain ICANN had to release new TLDs for many years if there was no need for new domain names?

For the money. Previously released extensions have failed. But it doesn't matter as long as they (icann) make money. The supply certainly exceeds the limited demand there is.

Anyway, what we want as domainers it to invest in the kinds of domains that are sought after. Regardless of whatever silly string icann decides to release tomorrow.

And also we are in the digital age, creating website is a very common thing everybody can easily create website, and you think they all will use facebook, or blog? They will need and learn domain names at some point.

I hope so, but to be honest that time is long overdue. I mean, the Internet is mainstream now. I am really puzzled that in 2015 so few people see the point of owning their own domain name
Even domainers use gmail...

 

[nsquare]

More the number of internet users ... more chances of reaching out to people or more chances to sell some goods or service ...

E.g. more parents are using internet ... school will have a website, more local users online ... local service providers tend to create a website.

I agree with non exponential growth of number of websites though.

 

[DTR Alex]

The trend will go until the economy is stable...... once economical pressure faced by largest countries that are responsible of maximum domain name trade, will not like to invest.....

I see alarming sign because there are very less end users........

 

[Chirag]

Less End Users thats where the problem is, this domains are riding high on hype created by domainers. Am not saying having NNNN.net is not profitable. But random NNNN.net are getting money only coz other domainers are buying them seeing the hype.