question XYZ sales, really???

[betthelot]

Am I the only one that feels the numbers and values are looking suspicious. Given xyz history with using smokes and mirrors to market the name space I am a bit sceptical but can be convinced otherwise.
What is your gut feel? Last 2 weeks sales from same person Swetha DNGear
beacon.xyz $24,888
Genisis.xyz $21,399
Patron.xyz $9,888
Protocol.xyz $8,000
Split.xyz $7,888

 

[Tryjake]

.xyz is very usable, you can use it in any country and people wont go "wtf". its not .link or .company.

And since shes been very smart to own the goods keywords in that extension, in volumes, of course she's gonna get sales.

Here are her past sales
Genesis, split, protocol, chia, waterfront, decentral, beacon, patron, uncommon.

I dont see strange words or 2 words.

And she has volumes, trimmed volumes.

You are a very stupid domainer if you dont understand why this simple strategy is yielding sales.

What is it? Geek minded people? Who’s behind it? Overall the extension i mean? Please elaborate

 

[Samer]

What is it? Geek minded people? Who’s behind it? Overall the extension i mean? Please elaborate

@jmcc knows.

man behind xyz admittedly, is a good marketer.

Lol penny promo was amazing, i should've got

 

[Windoms]

@jmcc knows.

man behind xyz admittedly, is a good marketer.

Lol penny promo was amazing, i should've got

They are now selling on the domain for sales page.

That end user wont venture into aftermarket .xyz for those 2 words or whatever you'll find. Only if you've got pristine stuff.

And seeing what @DNGear had been buying in 2016, rest assured she's got all the good names by now.

 

[jmcc]

@jmcc knows.

man behind xyz admittedly, is a good marketer.

Lol penny promo was amazing, i should've got

Negari is probably one of the best marketers of new gTLDs. Some domainers may consider that the heavily discounted registration spikes make it hard to sell .XYZ domain names but that's not the point. The aim of heavy discounting (and it is a very cynical business model) is to grow a TLD quickly rather than make domainers rich.

Most discounted registrations will not renew but, depending on the depth of the discount, between 3% and 10% can renew. It is influenced by the target market for the discounts. If the full renewal fee after the first year is considered cheap, people may just renew without worrying. But if someone has started to develop a website on a discounted registration, they will renew at full price if they think that their website (or e-mail address) is worth it.

Discounting can absolutely destroy resale values in a TLD but domainers really are not the complete market for the new gTLDs. Negari and .XYZ got a lot of flack over its discounting strategy. Some of the gTLD registries don't want too many domainers and have priced their reg fee at a multiple of .COM prices. This is because higher reg fee domain names tend to renew better than cheaper ones. They may remain small but the revenue from the renewal fees is steady. Also it might be better to think of .XYZ as a non .COM market as it has some very interesting geographical aspects.

Regards...jmcc

 

[jmcc]

These are the usage tracking (No site, Active, Not Found, Holding, Affiliate Landers, PPC, Redirects and Sales) percentages for .XYZ based on known PPC/Holding/Sales/Affiliate lander hosters and websites. It isn't a full web usage survey but it illustrates the key elements for .XYZ for May 2021:

No site: 26.4384
Active: 52.7386
Not found: 0.0001
Holding: 8.0303
Affiliate: 0.6472
PPC Parked: 8.8218
Redirect: 0.6599
Sales: 2.6637

The developed in-TLD websites percentage, based on previous web usage surveys, would be between 12 and 15%.

Regards...jmcc

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Thanks for all your information, @jmcc. We are so fortunate to have you on NamePros! Is it possible to add to the following interesting observation - i.e. in a general way where is .xyz more used?

Also it might be better to think of .XYZ as a non .COM market as it has some very interesting geographical aspects.

Thanks,
Bob

 

[jmcc]

Thanks for all your information, @jmcc. We are so fortunate to have you on NamePros! Is it possible to add to the following interesting observation - i.e. in a general way where is .xyz more used
Thanks,
Bob

Still crunching the May 2021 data, Bob,
I'll add some more info when it finishes crunching. Some of the legacy gTLDs have begun to sweat the assets by raising renewal fees in an attempt to maintain registrations but the .XYZ market seems quite vibrant in that it has, to some extent, become a .COM alternative for people who may not be able to afford the equivalent .COM domain name and don't want to use the local ccTLD.

The .XYZ string is immediately recognisable as a generic whereas most of the other new gTLDs are semantic in that the right of the dot has a specific meaning (typically in English). It is also less likely to have people adding .com to the end of it to make a .com domain (example.xyz is unlikely to be confused with examplexyz.com).

Regards...jmcc

 

[koolishman]

The OP question is/was related to the prev. notorious pump and dump and other “revolutionary” practices by registry. The lady was just a sub (spotted) , leading to the more expensive question - do we know if this particular registry is again busy cooking more sales via x persons.

You can be nice and ask the question indirectly or straightforward as OP did, hitting the nerves and waiting for the dots to jump out of the box.

It seems some people don’t have any idea how manipulative (untrue) tactics are used and still to extract $ from the end users incl. dn investors. Even some of the dn bloggers content (this company is using ngtld) was used as a proof for go get .ext where in the reality the companies are using .io .com. Cctld. Due diligence

Regards

I don't doubt these sales.

But I have seen tactics some investors employ in startup investments, buy artificially inflating valuations and buying and selling among them. Then they will find a bigger fool, who is unaware of reality.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

The problem here is that this thread wasn't created to address the many issues with some of the New gTLD Registries,

but rather to publicly raise doubts about the extraordinary number of sales of a well known member of NP which could be because of her ingenuity and hard work than anything else.

IMO

oldtimer....some people consider "ingenuity" to be wrong and in some cases fraudulent especially if it has a negative impact on their wallet. I don't know what's really going on with .xyz sales as the OP queries, but i do believe it's pretty ingenious or it wouldn't be drawing this sort of attention.

Being a big supporter of .online vs .xyz, i actually love all the attention. I make it my business to get to know my competition, but for some reason they're afraid to get to know me

 

[Tryjake]

@jmcc knows.

man behind xyz admittedly, is a good marketer.

Lol penny promo was amazing, i should've got

What is penny promo?

 

[Future Sensors]

What is penny promo?

https://www.namepros.com/threads/xy...ows-quick-and-bulk-registrar-of-promo.950005/

 

[oldtimer]

oldtimer....some people consider "ingenuity" to be wrong and in some cases fraudulent especially if it has a negative impact on their wallet

That is why whether in the domain Industry or the business world at large people in the establishment always want to control the direction that the Industry takes to benefit their interests and agendas and anyone who comes up with a new idea that might take some market share away from them automatically becomes the subject of all kinds of criticism, scrutiny, and even attacks while all the other issues and problems that exist in the Industry are conveniently ignored.

IMO

 

[1Darko]

I did not vote in the poll because I think the initial post should be deleted. It is not only unfair to a NamePros member, but it is harmful to our community and domain investors in general.

By saying "it looks suspicious" the original post went well beyond reasonable informed comment. By including her username and name in thread title makes it even worse. These sales are well authenticated - took place at major marketplaces (Afternic, DAN, SquadHelp, perhaps Sedo too). They were authenticated by NameBio. She even shared screenshots on social media.

We should be celebrating @DNGear for having a long term plan, daring to be innovative and define her own path, sticking with the plan when many would have given up, having the insight to see what sort of names have value, and the confidence to ask, and get, good prices. She is the sort of person who is propelling domain investing forward. That she also interacts with NamePros is to the benefit of us all.

Congratulations on your sales @DNGear and best wishes for many more

Bob

Bob, I absolutely agree with you. The strenght of Swetha @DNGear we can see in her calm responce to this thread. I like her attitude very much. She has no obligation to show any proof to namepros members but I asume she's probably doing it because of her gratitude to the community. I for myself have made the same commitment to the namepros community to give something back if I can. And this is the most we all can do for this forum.
Thank you Swetha for sharing your sales - you will have positive powerful karma for sure!

 

[Savopolis]

Its varified on NameBio!
Take a look...for Beacon.xyz for example..

 

[3sixty]

It is genius. They have cornered (hoarded?) the xyz market and dictated (inflated?) the price on the one-word domains there. I am 100% sure the sales are legit.

In the end of the day, the buyer has the choice of a million other extensions to choose from and a billions over names. So power to DNGear for seeing an opportunity in the market, that most wouldn't go for because it is against conventional wisdom.

I wonder if .xyz give a favourable renewal rate too.

 

[elevator]

I see @DNGear sales as genuine and legit sales, due to the volume and quality of the domains in her portfoilio. All of those domains are high profile names and she has almost monopolized the extension with that number of domains in her portfoilio and you know domaining count on volume and quality of portfoilio.

Having 60,000 highly profile domains and she has just sold not more than 20 in numbers; it meant she has very more domains sales to come.

Another thing is that she has acquired those domains since about five to six years before the sales starts coming now.

I doved my cap for her, she is a great domainer to reckon with in domaining business.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I see @DNGear sales as genuine and legit sales, due to the volume and quality of the domains in her portfoilio. All of those domains are high profile names and she has almost monopolized the extension with that number of domains in her portfoilio and you know domaining count on volume and quality of portfoilio.

Having 60,000 highly profile domains and she has just sold not more than 20 in numbers; it meant she has very more domains sales to come.

Another thing is that she has acquired those domains since about five to six years before the sales starts coming now.

I doved my cap for her, she is a great domainer to reckon with in domaining business.

I wonder if all this bodes well for other new gTLD's like .online? While I don't own 60,000 .online domains (just 3,500), it makes me wonder if the registry XYZ.com isn't behind all this?

btw, i don't believe there's anything wrong, illegal or unethical if XYZ.com is behind this, I'm just saying

 

[betthelot]

I want to believe theses sales as it’s a fantastic illustration of success by thinking the opposite to common opinion and taking risks. The risk reward ratio 5 years ago looked so reckless, I still find it difficult to believe these end user sales. Perhaps it’s me, in the same way I find cryptos a bag of worthless digits. Just I have seen so much hype and over inflated commentary in the last 20 years I’ve became a sceptic. If it is valid I also doff my hat and bow, a better domainer than me.

 

[4better]

"XYZ sales, really????"

Yes, and the way I see it, they're indeed making good, remarkable sales.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I want to believe theses sales as it’s a fantastic illustration of success by thinking the opposite to common opinion and taking risks. The risk reward ratio 5 years ago looked so reckless, I still find it difficult to believe these end user sales. Perhaps it’s me, in the same way I find cryptos a bag of worthless digits. Just I have seen so much hype and over inflated commentary in the last 20 years I’ve became a sceptic. If it is valid I also doff my hat and bow, a better domainer than me.

We really don't know the risk reward for her domains until we know how much she paid for them and more detail like her true identity for example. I thought I saw somewhere she owned 60,000 domains, but now I understand it's more like 18,000? Frankly I find the entire domain industry to be very suspect from top to bottom.

The xyz registry recently bought DominionDomains.com (a domain that I gave to them) that owned the extensions .homes, .autos, .boats, .yachts and .motorcycle, and I know first hand the whole story behind Dominion because they're in my home town where I'm pretty well connected. I can't go into detail, but I wouldn't trust them with a damn thing