What will be the biggest flop in '08?

[jacal1]

By the way, this IS an "official" thread - in case you were wondering :hehe: .

My guesses for biggest flops:

dictionary words with no commercial connection

.us

.tv

"brandable" nonsense words

LLLLs in anything but .com

all but the 4-5 biggest silent auctions (or was that '07?)

.biz (or was that '06?)

 

[-REECE-]

Wasn't it 98-99 before LLL.coms were fully out of stock and no longer readily available if you were prepared to scan for awhile?

Would the statement it took 14 years for LLL.coms to run out not be correct? They're doing pretty well now though

Might get a few of those things that took 14 years to run out myself...

I was simply trying to demonstrate that not all four letter dot coms are made equal. Those that have a clear intrinsic value will be worth money, those that don't will take another 10 years of renewals to reach 2-3 times reg fee!

 

[ilcesco]

.asia will be a huge flop in the long term, but maybe right after the launch someone will be able to flip some for a few decent bucks.

I can see .mobi going down the toilet very soon.

 

[xman]

I was simply trying to demonstrate that not all four letter dot coms are made equal. Those that have a clear intrinsic value will be worth money, those that don't will take another 10 years of renewals to reach 2-3 times reg fee!

Proof of Sale:

zvxz .com for $13.00 = 2x of reg. fee

QOYL .com for $30 = 4x of reg. fee

URYZ .com for $27.00 = 4x of reg. fee

uzyz .com $40 = 5x of reg. fee

It didn't take me 10 years. All within 6 months or less after registration

 

[Sameh]

He can also try this thread for more sales : http://www.namepros.com/358387-the-llll-com-sales-report-thread-last-post.html

Proof of Sale:

zvxz .com for $13.00 = 2x of reg. fee

QOYL .com for $30 = 4x of reg. fee

URYZ .com for $27.00 = 4x of reg. fee

uzyz .com $40 = 5x of reg. fee

It didn't take me 10 years. All within 6 months or less after registration

 

[mwzd]

Web 2.0

Its going to be bigger and more bloody than web 1.0

Along with .asia of course

 

[-REECE-]

Wall Street envies your ROI :D

Seriously though... I haven't seen a single well thought out reason why LLLL.coms will flop. These things didn't just run out a month ago... They've been slowly running out for years. Dyyo's own numbers show LLLL.com registration amounts in the September-November 2007 timeframe is not significantly higher than the average amount of new monthly registrations over the last few years...

Proof of Sale:

zvxz .com for $13.00 = 2x of reg. fee

QOYL .com for $30 = 4x of reg. fee

URYZ .com for $27.00 = 4x of reg. fee

uzyz .com $40 = 5x of reg. fee

It didn't take me 10 years. All within 6 months or less after registration

Web 2.0

Its going to be bigger and more bloody than web 1.0

Along with .asia of course

Agree 100%. Facebook at $15 billion ?!? Overpriced by two zeros... At Least.

 

[xman]

those that don't will take another 10 years of renewals to reach 2-3 times reg fee!

Can you prove this?


I gave you my proof now prove yours.

 

[domainer50]

Can you prove this?


I gave you my proof now prove yours.

I dont think their is proof available for his statement. However people love trends. Someone sees that 50% of these names are gone, start an official thread at Namepros and boom 1 year later they are all gone. :imho: It is a fad and a trend that sooner or later will die out. Sure the names will sell but not for the rising price much like the LLL.com names have sold.

 

[-REECE-]

err, you may need to revisit your facts on that one... LLLL.com Countdown started when barely over 100,000 names were left on January 25, 2006. So, almost 2 years later, 100k names are gone... That's like 150 names a day... What a big false hype that is :lol:

I dont think their is proof available for his statement. However people love trends. Someone sees that 50% of these names are gone, start an official thread at Namepros and boom 1 year later they are all gone. :imho: It is a fad and a trend that sooner or later will die out. Sure the names will sell but not for the rising price much like the LLL.com names have sold.

 

[domainer50]

err, you may need to revisit your facts on that one... LLLL.com Countdown started when barely over 100,000 names were left on January 25, 2006. So, almost 2 years later, 100k names are gone... That's like 150 names a day... What a big false hype that is :lol:

My only example is that I sold two LLLL.com names about 8 months ago. Each for $20. I would be willing to bet that these same names would not fetch more than $20, sold out or not. Think about how many LLL combinations their are in relation to the amount of LLLL combinations. Although both are sold out, LLL is far more scarce. As for the $xxx and $x,xxx sales. Those are all well and good, but I could provide proof that LLLLL and LLLLLL and LLLLLLL names have sold for that amount as well. Does that mean that these markets are going to sell out and be worth thousands? No. :imho:

 

[evilopinions]

Yeah. I will save you words xmen..

You are right and I am wrong...
You have the highest experience and greatest domains.Oh I am just stupid naive and ignorant of the fact and your presence.


On the side note : good luck with your future llll.com endevours.

 

[poker_bears]

Seriously though... I haven't seen a single well thought out reason why LLLL.coms will flop. -

LLLL.coms are so a hype! This time next year will be a total bloodbath just like a previous poster said.

They're totally worthless and you know it!!!






Reece... shhhhhhhhhh...


LLLL's are rising in price too quickly as it is. I don't need more competition at Snap thank you very much
:hehe:

 

[filter]

I didnt do a deal.You are just assuming.Just like those sheeps that follow the goat blindly with none of their own thoughts and manipulation involved.And yeah by the way looking at the time you spent on name pros and the time I spent better check your trader feedbacks and the domains you have sold and check mine and the number I have sold. I think I have sold more than yours.

LOL, yes, do check the TR and rep stats for xman (at the time of this writing, 28 TR / 7 bars of rep - compared to evil's also respectable but quite a bit less 8 TR / 2 bars rep - but starting look a bit like the proverbial "one-legged man in an a$$ kicking contest") ... and really, with the tone of the post it's a bit of a challenge not to take "evilopinions" ad hominem rant personally - but, as someone once said, never attribute to malice what can be explained by ... other things. Time will tell whether something like "YHBT" sells for more than "carautoinsurance" I guess - I wouldn't go too far out on a limb trying to predict that one either way. (And I know "YHBT" is not an anti-premium, but Google it for a laugh.) :hehe:

Domainer50 - what were the 2 LLLL.com names you let go for $20 each 8 months ago? I'd be interested to see if they might have more recent sales reported in nullmind's TDVR.com database ...

:sold:

 

[evilopinions]

LOL, yes, do check the TR and rep stats for xman ... hard not to take "evilopinions" ad hominem rant personally - but, as someone once said, never attribute to malice what can be explained by ... other things. Time will tell whether something like "YHBT" sells for more than "carautoinsurance" I guess - I wouldn't go too far out on a limb trying to predict that one either way. (And I know "YHBT" is not an anti-premium, but Google it for a laugh.) :hehe:

Domainer50 - what were the 2 LLLL.com names you let go for $20 each 8 months ago? I'd be interested to see if they might have more recent sales reported in nullmind's TDVR.com database ...

:sold:

I didnt know what was ad hominem but yeah found out... :hehe:

I have only been here for 2 months u might wanna consider that...Yeah I should have stuck to my own self rather than back firing...But it is just a waste , how people can start what they cannot claim later...

 

[filter]

I didnt know what was ad hominem but yeah found out... :hehe:

I have only been here for 2 months u might wanna consider that...Yeah I should have stuck to my own self rather than back firing...But it is just a waste , how people can start what they cannot claim later...

no worries my opiniated friend, everyone makes mistakes - some learn from them, others profit from them .... and I've only been here for 3 months myself, so still have a long way to go myself before I can even pretend to know what's really going on ... Still appreciate your perspective, if just for the chuckle factor - but you might be right in the long run, who knows ... Wishing you the best of luck with your carautoinsurance etc sales!

 

[nicedomains]

LLLL.coms are so a hype! This time next year will be a total bloodbath just like a previous poster said.

They're totally worthless and you know it!!!






Reece... shhhhhhhhhh...


LLLL's are rising in price too quickly as it is. I don't need more competition at Snap thank you very much
:hehe:

ROFL

OK OK we get it.. Evilopinions, dna, Domainer50 - We understand that you see absolutely no value in purchasing/owning llll.com's with non premium letters. Fine, we accept your "educated opinions" why don't we just let time tell. Those of us that have invested time and money in llll.com's will feel horribly stupid if within 5 years we cannot sell them for more than 10x reg fee and you will win. Until then why fight about something we can only speculate about? The only thing I can say to llll.com owners is let's develop some more sites on these domains! :tu:

So back to the topic, anyone else see some big flops coming in 08? (besides llll.com)

 

[evilopinions]

ROFL

OK OK we get it.. Evilopinions, dna, Domainer50 - We understand that you see absolutely no value in purchasing/owning llll.com's with non premium letters. Fine, we accept your "educated opinions" why don't we just let time tell. Those of us that have invested time and money in llll.com's will feel horribly stupid if within 5 years we cannot sell them for more than 10x reg fee and you will win. Until then why fight about something we can only speculate about? The only thing I can say to llll.com owners is let's develop some more sites on these domains! :tu:

exactly....

Bottomline : Every domain is worth a million...If you know how ?

 

[thetruman]

I still strongly believe that LLLL is a good investment... I am tempted to do some irony on your homepage that is a typo of a .co.in (of a single word that is not even strong) but probably is where you see potential and i will refrain to do so... :yell:

 

[tvman]

.com

The great crash of 08!

I think the value of .com will be dropping as the value of .tv and the relation to the extension media/entertainment/video will help boost the ext.

not to mention the fact it is only 2 letters and the more suitable use with the soon to be dominant tv phones than .mobi.

sure it failed in the past, that was before youtube, broadband, and online video was king, and porn/poker.com was still gold.....

welcome to evolution.... .com is more a North American ext. than anything, so .tv is more global, and to you already unknowing folks, globally .tv is already huge, with big contro's coming from asia, germany and UK.

On a last .tv note, maybe that billions of .com are reg'd , but how many are actual sites and not parking pages or gimmicks or scams to get rich?
take a few minutes to surf .tv and see all the different unique content sites that exist then tell me with all the effort .tv is an 08 flop :hehe:

 

[domainer50]

ROFL

OK OK we get it.. Evilopinions, dna, Domainer50 - We understand that you see absolutely no value in purchasing/owning llll.com's with non premium letters. Fine, we accept your "educated opinions" why don't we just let time tell. Those of us that have invested time and money in llll.com's will feel horribly stupid if within 5 years we cannot sell them for more than 10x reg fee and you will win. Until then why fight about something we can only speculate about? The only thing I can say to llll.com owners is let's develop some more sites on these domains! :tu:

So back to the topic, anyone else see some big flops coming in 08? (besides llll.com)

Best of luck to you. If you do sell them for a good amount then I will be happy for you and it will help the overall domain economy. So best of luck

 

[Rubber Duck]

Wasn't it 98-99 before LLL.coms were fully out of stock and no longer readily available if you were prepared to scan for awhile?

Would the statement it took 14 years for LLL.coms to run out not be correct? They're doing pretty well now though

Might get a few of those things that took 14 years to run out myself...

That is totally absurd. Dot coms were not commercially available until about 1994 or so. Nobody even then really knew what domains were, Google didn't even exist until nearly 1998. How many domains were actually registered when the LLL.com bank went dry? You would probably struggle to even get stats but it wouldn't have been that many. About 150M doses of snake oil later we are on to LLLL.com and LL-L.com!

Proof of Sale:

zvxz .com for $13.00 = 2x of reg. fee

QOYL .com for $30 = 4x of reg. fee

URYZ .com for $27.00 = 4x of reg. fee

uzyz .com $40 = 5x of reg. fee

It didn't take me 10 years. All within 6 months or less after registration

I sold hand regged IDNs for $10K within 6 months of registration. Do you seriously expect us to be impressed because you managed to offload these on to a handful of muppets.

ROFL

OK OK we get it.. Evilopinions, dna, Domainer50 - We understand that you see absolutely no value in purchasing/owning llll.com's with non premium letters. Fine, we accept your "educated opinions" why don't we just let time tell. Those of us that have invested time and money in llll.com's will feel horribly stupid if within 5 years we cannot sell them for more than 10x reg fee and you will win. Until then why fight about something we can only speculate about? The only thing I can say to llll.com owners is let's develop some more sites on these domains! :tu:

So back to the topic, anyone else see some big flops coming in 08? (besides llll.com)

And you think 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing about for? Some business man you are. You would make more money on Widows and Orphan stock on Wall Street! And on top of that you are going to bust your balls developing them. What content are you going to put on the likes of zvxz .com, and how is such an extension going to assist in driving traffic to your site?

Sorry, but you are all victims of Group Think in my book!

 

[-REECE-]

Your 150M doses of snake oil started in the 90s... Look at most half decent CVCV's and there reg dates... Look at the bad CVCVs... The VCVCs...

This thing has been slowly chugging along for 10 years and all the sudden now it's going to stop? Prices were being artificially held back by the fact they were readily available. Now they are not.

Maybe LLL.coms wasn't the best comparison... Here's a good one for you: NNNN.coms. Try and sell me on their usefulness... Convince me they're worth their price...

And somehow I don't see there being 10,000 buyers of NNNN.coms because "they collect rare domain names". Nuff Said :yell:

That is totally absurd. Dot coms were not commercially available until about 1994 or so. Nobody even then really knew what domains were, Google didn't even exist until nearly 1998. How many domains were actually registered when the LLL.com bank went dry? You would probably struggle to even get stats but it wouldn't have been that many. About 150M doses of snake oil later we are on to LLLL.com and LL-L.com!



I sold hand regged IDNs for $10K within 6 months of registration. Do you seriously expect us to be impressed because you managed to offload these on to a handful of muppets.



And you think 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing about for? Some business man you are. You would make more money on Widows and Orphan stock on Wall Street! And on top of that you are going to bust your balls developing them. What content are you going to put on the likes of zvxz .com, and how is such an extension going to assist in driving traffic to your site?

Sorry, but you are all victims of Group Think in my book!

 

[Rubber Duck]

Your 150M doses of snake oil started in the 90s... Look at most half decent CVCV's and there reg dates... Look at the bad CVCVs... The VCVCs...

This thing has been slowly chugging along for 10 years and all the sudden now it's going to stop? Prices were being artificially held back by the fact they were readily available. Now they are not.

Maybe LLL.coms wasn't the best comparison... Here's a good one for you: NNNN.coms. Try and sell me on their usefulness... Convince me they're worth their price...

And somehow I don't see there being 10,000 buyers of NNNN.coms because "they collect rare domain names". Nuff Said :yell:

Well I am not a big fan on numbers either, but I guess most of them will mean something to somebody.

I love your argument about prices being artificially held back because nobody wanted them enough to reg them. That has to be an all time classic.

exactly....

Bottomline : Every domain is worth a million...If you know how ?

That just reinforces my opinion that the vast majority of domains registered are worth squat. They are no different that registration plates or telephone numbers. Each of these have examples of very valuable combinations. Most are worth zilch. Similarly special domain names are valuable. Random combinations are worth squat!

 

[nicedomains]

And you think 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing about for? Some business man you are. You would make more money on Widows and Orphan stock on Wall Street! And on top of that you are going to bust your balls developing them. What content are you going to put on the likes of zvxz .com, and how is such an extension going to assist in driving traffic to your site?

Sorry, but you are all victims of Group Think in my book!

Rubber Duck - No, I do not think that 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing around with.. That is obviously not why any of us are in this business. I was actually stating llll.com investors would be wrong if this were the case. Thanks for your encouraging words on my business insight too I think you need a lesson in business ethics. I am a part time domainer, this is more of a hobby for me and I am proud to have bought several 4l.com's in the last few months and already made 6x+ reg fee on ones I decided to sell. I'm happy that you have flipped idns for more than that, congrats! To me a 6x flip in less than 2 months is decent and gives me a positive outlook on my investments. BTW websites don't only need decent memorable names(which llll.com's are imo) to drive traffic, but content is the key.. Have a nice day!

 

[poker_bears]

And you think 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing about for? Some business man you are.

So what kind of business man does that make me if I get a thrill from flipping a name for only 3-4X reg free?

You're kinda mean dude...



p_bears *the penny ante domain pro!