What will be the biggest flop in '08?

[jacal1]

By the way, this IS an "official" thread - in case you were wondering :hehe: .

My guesses for biggest flops:

dictionary words with no commercial connection

.us

.tv

"brandable" nonsense words

LLLLs in anything but .com

all but the 4-5 biggest silent auctions (or was that '07?)

.biz (or was that '06?)

 

[nicedomains]

LLLL.coms are so a hype! This time next year will be a total bloodbath just like a previous poster said.

They're totally worthless and you know it!!!






Reece... shhhhhhhhhh...


LLLL's are rising in price too quickly as it is. I don't need more competition at Snap thank you very much
:hehe:

ROFL

OK OK we get it.. Evilopinions, dna, Domainer50 - We understand that you see absolutely no value in purchasing/owning llll.com's with non premium letters. Fine, we accept your "educated opinions" why don't we just let time tell. Those of us that have invested time and money in llll.com's will feel horribly stupid if within 5 years we cannot sell them for more than 10x reg fee and you will win. Until then why fight about something we can only speculate about? The only thing I can say to llll.com owners is let's develop some more sites on these domains! :tu:

So back to the topic, anyone else see some big flops coming in 08? (besides llll.com)

 

[evilopinions]

ROFL

OK OK we get it.. Evilopinions, dna, Domainer50 - We understand that you see absolutely no value in purchasing/owning llll.com's with non premium letters. Fine, we accept your "educated opinions" why don't we just let time tell. Those of us that have invested time and money in llll.com's will feel horribly stupid if within 5 years we cannot sell them for more than 10x reg fee and you will win. Until then why fight about something we can only speculate about? The only thing I can say to llll.com owners is let's develop some more sites on these domains! :tu:

exactly....

Bottomline : Every domain is worth a million...If you know how ?

 

[thetruman]

I still strongly believe that LLLL is a good investment... I am tempted to do some irony on your homepage that is a typo of a .co.in (of a single word that is not even strong) but probably is where you see potential and i will refrain to do so... :yell:

 

[tvman]

.com

The great crash of 08!

I think the value of .com will be dropping as the value of .tv and the relation to the extension media/entertainment/video will help boost the ext.

not to mention the fact it is only 2 letters and the more suitable use with the soon to be dominant tv phones than .mobi.

sure it failed in the past, that was before youtube, broadband, and online video was king, and porn/poker.com was still gold.....

welcome to evolution.... .com is more a North American ext. than anything, so .tv is more global, and to you already unknowing folks, globally .tv is already huge, with big contro's coming from asia, germany and UK.

On a last .tv note, maybe that billions of .com are reg'd , but how many are actual sites and not parking pages or gimmicks or scams to get rich?
take a few minutes to surf .tv and see all the different unique content sites that exist then tell me with all the effort .tv is an 08 flop :hehe:

 

[domainer50]

ROFL

OK OK we get it.. Evilopinions, dna, Domainer50 - We understand that you see absolutely no value in purchasing/owning llll.com's with non premium letters. Fine, we accept your "educated opinions" why don't we just let time tell. Those of us that have invested time and money in llll.com's will feel horribly stupid if within 5 years we cannot sell them for more than 10x reg fee and you will win. Until then why fight about something we can only speculate about? The only thing I can say to llll.com owners is let's develop some more sites on these domains! :tu:

So back to the topic, anyone else see some big flops coming in 08? (besides llll.com)

Best of luck to you. If you do sell them for a good amount then I will be happy for you and it will help the overall domain economy. So best of luck

 

[Rubber Duck]

Wasn't it 98-99 before LLL.coms were fully out of stock and no longer readily available if you were prepared to scan for awhile?

Would the statement it took 14 years for LLL.coms to run out not be correct? They're doing pretty well now though

Might get a few of those things that took 14 years to run out myself...

That is totally absurd. Dot coms were not commercially available until about 1994 or so. Nobody even then really knew what domains were, Google didn't even exist until nearly 1998. How many domains were actually registered when the LLL.com bank went dry? You would probably struggle to even get stats but it wouldn't have been that many. About 150M doses of snake oil later we are on to LLLL.com and LL-L.com!

Proof of Sale:

zvxz .com for $13.00 = 2x of reg. fee

QOYL .com for $30 = 4x of reg. fee

URYZ .com for $27.00 = 4x of reg. fee

uzyz .com $40 = 5x of reg. fee

It didn't take me 10 years. All within 6 months or less after registration

I sold hand regged IDNs for $10K within 6 months of registration. Do you seriously expect us to be impressed because you managed to offload these on to a handful of muppets.

ROFL

OK OK we get it.. Evilopinions, dna, Domainer50 - We understand that you see absolutely no value in purchasing/owning llll.com's with non premium letters. Fine, we accept your "educated opinions" why don't we just let time tell. Those of us that have invested time and money in llll.com's will feel horribly stupid if within 5 years we cannot sell them for more than 10x reg fee and you will win. Until then why fight about something we can only speculate about? The only thing I can say to llll.com owners is let's develop some more sites on these domains! :tu:

So back to the topic, anyone else see some big flops coming in 08? (besides llll.com)

And you think 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing about for? Some business man you are. You would make more money on Widows and Orphan stock on Wall Street! And on top of that you are going to bust your balls developing them. What content are you going to put on the likes of zvxz .com, and how is such an extension going to assist in driving traffic to your site?

Sorry, but you are all victims of Group Think in my book!

 

[-REECE-]

Your 150M doses of snake oil started in the 90s... Look at most half decent CVCV's and there reg dates... Look at the bad CVCVs... The VCVCs...

This thing has been slowly chugging along for 10 years and all the sudden now it's going to stop? Prices were being artificially held back by the fact they were readily available. Now they are not.

Maybe LLL.coms wasn't the best comparison... Here's a good one for you: NNNN.coms. Try and sell me on their usefulness... Convince me they're worth their price...

And somehow I don't see there being 10,000 buyers of NNNN.coms because "they collect rare domain names". Nuff Said :yell:

That is totally absurd. Dot coms were not commercially available until about 1994 or so. Nobody even then really knew what domains were, Google didn't even exist until nearly 1998. How many domains were actually registered when the LLL.com bank went dry? You would probably struggle to even get stats but it wouldn't have been that many. About 150M doses of snake oil later we are on to LLLL.com and LL-L.com!



I sold hand regged IDNs for $10K within 6 months of registration. Do you seriously expect us to be impressed because you managed to offload these on to a handful of muppets.



And you think 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing about for? Some business man you are. You would make more money on Widows and Orphan stock on Wall Street! And on top of that you are going to bust your balls developing them. What content are you going to put on the likes of zvxz .com, and how is such an extension going to assist in driving traffic to your site?

Sorry, but you are all victims of Group Think in my book!

 

[Rubber Duck]

Your 150M doses of snake oil started in the 90s... Look at most half decent CVCV's and there reg dates... Look at the bad CVCVs... The VCVCs...

This thing has been slowly chugging along for 10 years and all the sudden now it's going to stop? Prices were being artificially held back by the fact they were readily available. Now they are not.

Maybe LLL.coms wasn't the best comparison... Here's a good one for you: NNNN.coms. Try and sell me on their usefulness... Convince me they're worth their price...

And somehow I don't see there being 10,000 buyers of NNNN.coms because "they collect rare domain names". Nuff Said :yell:

Well I am not a big fan on numbers either, but I guess most of them will mean something to somebody.

I love your argument about prices being artificially held back because nobody wanted them enough to reg them. That has to be an all time classic.

exactly....

Bottomline : Every domain is worth a million...If you know how ?

That just reinforces my opinion that the vast majority of domains registered are worth squat. They are no different that registration plates or telephone numbers. Each of these have examples of very valuable combinations. Most are worth zilch. Similarly special domain names are valuable. Random combinations are worth squat!

 

[nicedomains]

And you think 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing about for? Some business man you are. You would make more money on Widows and Orphan stock on Wall Street! And on top of that you are going to bust your balls developing them. What content are you going to put on the likes of zvxz .com, and how is such an extension going to assist in driving traffic to your site?

Sorry, but you are all victims of Group Think in my book!

Rubber Duck - No, I do not think that 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing around with.. That is obviously not why any of us are in this business. I was actually stating llll.com investors would be wrong if this were the case. Thanks for your encouraging words on my business insight too I think you need a lesson in business ethics. I am a part time domainer, this is more of a hobby for me and I am proud to have bought several 4l.com's in the last few months and already made 6x+ reg fee on ones I decided to sell. I'm happy that you have flipped idns for more than that, congrats! To me a 6x flip in less than 2 months is decent and gives me a positive outlook on my investments. BTW websites don't only need decent memorable names(which llll.com's are imo) to drive traffic, but content is the key.. Have a nice day!

 

[poker_bears]

And you think 5 renewals late 10x Reg Fee is worth messing about for? Some business man you are.

So what kind of business man does that make me if I get a thrill from flipping a name for only 3-4X reg free?

You're kinda mean dude...



p_bears *the penny ante domain pro!

 

[xman]

Do you seriously expect us to be impressed because you managed to offload these on to a handful of muppets.

I'm actually not trying to impressed anybody. I was simply pointing out that it doesn't take 10 years to reach 2-3 time reg. fee as you stated.

It is unnecessary to call them "handful of muppets" to whoever bought them.

 

[filter]

It is unnecessary to call them "handful of muppets" to whoever bought them.

LOL! muppets are cool! muppets rolling in (hypothetical) LLLL $$$$ will be even cooler ...

hopefully this sort of silly debate will fizzle out (one way or another) by the end of 2008 ... but won't count on that either, it's such a fun soapbox to rant from ...

seriously, best of luck to everyone in 2008 whether ye be premium generic .com high-rollers or .net workers or .organizers or hy-phenaters or ccTLD natives or .mobi movers or .tv visionaries or IDN polyglots or .promoters ... or ... dubaisolarbiofueltimeshares LOL ... ah ... okay, have I left anyone out? oh yeah, tardmark typists too!

Be careful about choosing your game, and enjoy it for what it is ... Play to win by creating as much value as you can where ever you can, and being realistic about the money side of it.

hopefully the only real flops in 2008 will be spammers and scammers and haters ... though won't count on that either.

 

[Mike]

Rubber Ducky,... show me just ONE stock that consistently returns 100% ROI or more.... I don't think you'll find one that's as reliable as the domain sales market. Even if you sell your freshly registered LLLL.com for "only" $15 you already doubled your money... there is NO stock out there that can accomplish this as reliable as any LLLL.com. Aside the fact, $15 is a low number at this point... I don't even want to point out the low quality LLLL.com domains that yield $30-$90 in resale after only a few months of registration.

IB

 

[Rubber Duck]

Rubber Ducky,... show me just ONE stock that consistently returns 100% ROI or more.... I don't think you'll find one that's as reliable as the domain sales market. Even if you sell your freshly registered LLLL.com for "only" $15 you already doubled your money... there is NO stock out there that can accomplish this as reliable as any LLLL.com. Aside the fact, $15 is a low number at this point... I don't even want to point out the low quality LLLL.com domains that yield $30-$90 in resale after only a few months of registration.

IB

It is all very well about talking about stock that grosses 100%, and yes some do that every year, but stock doesn't cost money to maintain. You can buy it in bulk rather than $7 here and $7 there. If you are trying to do this even semi-professionally you need to consider the work time you put into it. When you sell stock you don't have to identify a buyer. The market is normally liquid. You either accept the going rate or you don't. With domaining it could take a decade to find a buyer for a brandable name.

Newbies even those that have good business experience need to understand this game before they squander their hard earned cash. Look at this Music.mobi deal. I think that would have been half a million straight down the tubes. Whatever this guy has behind him, he cannot carry an extension on his own. That has been proved conclusively with dot TV!

 

[FPForum]

I am going with .in the most..India's amount of internet users is exploding!! Other than that, maybe 4L.net's (good ones), .info's, and maybe .us

 

[skylineleong]

I see many domain .TV dropping every day.
Maybe the renew cost expensive

I see the .mobi domain quick growing.

Recently Sold
download.mobi 51,500 $US
creditcards.mobi 20,500 $US

 

[Rubber Duck]

I am going with .in the most..India's amount of internet users is exploding!! Other than that, maybe 4L.net's (good ones), .info's, and maybe .us

Dot IN is bound to be a winner longer-term, but take the trouble to find out what languages and scripts the Indians actually use. Do some research! Incidentally, dot IN is launching IDN very soon. There will be good opportunities there.

The real growth in 2008 is going to be Non-English Languages, and non-Latin Scripts. This is a no brainer because 80% of the World's population don't have English as a first language and they Search in other languages. The SEO guru's amongst you must be able to understand that Latin Domains have no benefit for Web content that is in Davengari characters. OK, at the moment much of the Indian web is still in English, but if you look at China we are talking about a tiny fraction of 1%. In Russian Landing cards are now in English, but after that you are screwed. Arabs don't even use what we call Arabic numbers!

 

[skylineleong]

.CN & .IN growth in 2008. The most people using languages is Chinese Languages.
Chinese & India 1/3 world populations.

Reference:
www.wikipedia.org

 

[Andrei P.]

.CN & .IN growth in 2008. The most people using languages is Chinese Languages.
Chinese & India 1/3 world populations.

Reference:
www.wikipedia.org

India yes! With 61% literacy level in India... And how many people in India can afford buying 1000$ end user site? Perhaps I'm not well informed about life in India....

 

[Mike]

Rubber Duck,

unless you're a certified trader you're paying per acquisition or trade, and that pertains to buying as well as selling. It's a trade fee that your broker is charging. Thus, there ARE costs for each trade, not unlike a domain registration. Except, if you split the sale of the same stock in several parts, you're being charged the fee several times, making the trade of stock an unequally more expensive undertaking than domaining and that's not even considering the different prices per share and the even more volatile market than domains.

The more important point that you made however, and i agree with your statement that newcomers should read first and familiarize themselves with the trends of the game before they invest. In which case, NP comes in. In a matter of comparative speaking, this forum in its entirety, is replacing your broker/investment school...

IB