The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[GILSAN]

Once again, you indiscriminately lump together and define all "liberals" by calling them names. Good job.

Thanks :D

All of the politicians who did not attend, liberal and conservative, are spitting in the face of the very people they have sworn to serve.

If they hadn't invited the top race-baiters like Al Sharptongue and Jesse Jackson, then perhaps some of them may have gone. Who in his right mind would want to be around those 2 snakes.

I don't even understand why you're making such a big deal of this. I'll bet that deep down, the MLK 50th anniversary organizers and liberals were really happy that the Republicans didn't come... and so was I :D

I’m betting you hadn’t even heard of Cornel West before a few days ago. And now you’re using him to “denigrate” liberal African-Americans? Classy.

Wrong you are. You really underestimate my knowledge of American politics. I've seen Cornel dozens of times being interviewed by CNN and elsewhere for several years now. I may not agree with everything he says, but I agree with most of what he says. I especially admire his straight forward honesty, something lacking in most people nowadays, especially people in the limelight.

 

[verbster]

Thanks :D

If they hadn't invited the top race-baiters like Al Sharptongue and Jesse Jackson, then perhaps some of them may have gone. Who in his right mind would want to be around those 2 snakes.

Name-calling again, as always. Atta boy. You and West have that in common.

I don't even understand why you're making such a big deal of this. I'll bet that deep down, the MLK 50th anniversary organizers and liberals were really happy that the Republicans didn't come... and so was I :D.

I'm sure you truly don't understand why I think the whole republican party refusing to turn out to support civil rights for minorities is a big deal. Apparently, the republicans don't think it was a big deal, either. I'm hoping 40% minorities making up of all U.S. voters think it is a big deal, too.

Even so, it's a perfect example republican logic to make sure not a single nationally elected republican attends the anniversary, yet they then single out and complain when the only black senator (an appointed republican) wasn't invited to speak, even though other republicans that were invited to speak declined. Senator Tim Scott chose not to attend anyway. (After the other republicans declined, how could he? To have only one republican politician (the Black one) to attend out of nearly 300 would have been even worse for the republican party than they already made it. Such irony isn't found anywhere else.)

Wrong you are. You really underestimate my knowledge of American politics. I've seen Cornel dozens of times being interviewed by CNN and elsewhere for several years now. I may not agree with everything he says, but I agree with most of what he says. I especially admire his straight forward honesty, something lacking in most people nowadays, especially people in the limelight.

I don't underestimate your knowledge of American politics; I am simply astounded that as being as obsessed with them as you apparently are, that you fail to comprehend and correlate political cause and effect relationships as badly as you do. As for "non-Marxist socialist" Cornel West, the guy is all over the place. It's no surprise you could find a quote to use to zoom in on Sharpton, but I am surprised you haven't used quotes from him before, considering he likes to call people names, too.

Any way, you failed to mention West was a supporter and advisor to Sharpton's 2004 presidential campaign but now calls him derogatory names. In 2008, he served On Senator Obama's Black Advisory Committee, but now calls Obama derogatory names, etc. On the other hand, he is a great admirer of Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, not to mention Louis Farrakhan, Hugo Chavez and other nice people. He also co-directs the Network of Spiritual Progressives which views capitalism as a destructive force and rejects private property rights but is in favor of government health care, etc. If you want a quote for anything, West is your man. Notice how politically correct he is, though, in using "negro" instead of something a little more sociably unacceptable. He can't afford that. Literally.

 

[GILSAN]

Name-calling again, as always. Atta boy. You and West have that in common.

Learned that from the Liberals, .... though I have to admit I still have a ways to go, to be as good as them, .... in name-calling. But I'm trying my hardest :]

John Kerry today said that a U.S. military strike on Syria would be "limited" and "unbelievably small," words that must have struck fear in the heart of Syrian President Bashar Assad

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93xlgsxEco"]John Kerry: "Unbelievably Small" Strike On Syria - YouTube[/ame]

Give it a couple more days and the whole thing will fizzle out. Kerry can then be hired as a clown (no need for a mask) in a Texas Rodeo.

Yes I know it was an "unbelievably nasty" thing to say about Kerry.... but I just couldn't resist.

 

[JB Lions]

Obama gives his speech tonight on Syria and just read this, perfect timing:

"Syria's foreign minister: We'll declare chemical weapons, sign arms ban"

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...l-declare-chemical-weapons-sign-arms-ban?lite

Opposition to us doing anything was just continuing to rise.

 

[Kokoro]

 

[RaiderGirl]

Obama gives his speech tonight on Syria.

Yes, that was some speech wasn't it? The first speech ever made by a US President informing the nation of what's he's NOT going to do.

Obama just keeps re-affirming to the world how much of a indecisive and weak leader he really is.. And we have Putin capitalizing on it, reminds me of when Khrushchev walked all over JFK.
Only instead of having missiles in Cuba aimed at the US, we have nerve gas in the hands of Hezbollah, with the Russians running the show.

I should perhaps cut Obama a break, he's not the only naive and incompetent President we had, We had Jimmy Carter who actually believed and still believes to this day that we can negotiate with ruthless dictators.

Liberals, they don't learn by past mistakes, they repeat them.

 

[JB Lions]

"Obama just keeps re-affirming to the world how much of a indecisive and weak leader he really is"

So did you want us to strike Syria? Show em how tough we are? I myself think he screwed up at the beginning, with publically declaring a red line etc. But we'll see how things play out.

I guess you want to forget about Osama, winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, talking about his leadership?

There is a bigger issue. What should be done if another country violates International Law?

Should the world do nothing?

Should somebody do something? When we choose this, it's usually us (America) and I think most Americans are tired of that role, of being the "World's Policeman"

The problem is, who else is going to step to the plate? What we talked about earlier, that documentary I watched about what would happened if we pulled out all our military bases.

I don't see any European army ready to take the lead on anything.

It's at the point now, because of the mistakes of the previous President, that if somebody wanted to start something, now would be the perfect time. I'm talking about a situation where boots would be needed on the ground. The public just doesn't want that it seems, regardless of the situation unless the mainland was directly attacked or something.

 

[Theo Goodman]

"we have nerve gas in the hands of Hezbollah, with the Russians running the show"

No, Hezbollah does not have any chemical weapons. Russians do not control Hezbollah or Syria. Please refrain from claming that I am pro Obama or a liberal for pointing these 2 facts out.


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" What should be done if another country violates International Law?"
Yea well that is an interesting question. Lets take a closer look at that. First of all what internation law was broken?? Syria did not radifiy the convention on chemical weapons, therefore it is perfectly legal under international law for them to have chemical weapons. -There is 0 proof that has been brought forward in the UN that the Syrian military used chemical weapons, so what violation?
However in Syria there are 3 very clear violations of international law. First of all Israel occupying the Golan Heights and creating settlements there. This is in clear violation of UN mandate.So thier it is a clear violation, not a , supposed violation that has not been proved, but a clear violation - I ask :" What should be done if another country violates International Law?"
Second of all foreign mercenaries are being funneled in by the gulf Monarch´s via Turkey is a clear violation of national sovereignty as any military invasion is. The question remains "What should be done if another country violates International Law?" , again this is not theoretical, SA, Qutar, Turkey do not hide or deny that they support and cordinate the flow of mercenaries into Syria. This is clearly against international law.
Third, Israel recently shot missles into Syria. No decleration of war, no nothing, they just did it. This is a violation of international law plain and simple. This is not a theory, this is "the truth". I ask again "What should be done if another country violates International Law?"
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Also lets put the put the possession of chemical weapons in context. One neighboring country has not radified the convention on chemical weapons, and is known to have nukes (Israel), not only that they occupy part of Syira. Chemical weapons and any "WMD" are deturents, I am by no means playing how horrible these weapons are, they are horrible. However they are a deturent. Having Syria give up its chemical weapons and Israel can keep its chemcial and nukes , is not only unlogical and "unfair" but creates a country that can not defend itself against "WMDs" (if that is even possible).
But are "WMDs" really a deturent? I think Germany is the only country that the USA has ever attacked that had chemical weapons or any WMD. (really having one or more WMD, not suspected of having one) ,maybe I am forgetting an attack or invasion.
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What is simply ubsurd is that the USA is the one drawing red lines in regards to chemical weapons and WMDs. The USA radified the convention on chemical weapons but used Agent Orange and still uses White Phosphorus and CS gas (yes that is a chemical weapon and I think it is in the convention). Not to mention spreading out massive ammounts of unexploded cluser bombs and a little radio active material here in there in the form of depleted uranium, who knows if there is or howmuch depleated uranium are in the so called "bunker busters". The country that does all of these things gets to say who and who should not have this or that weapon?! - If something would be done about these 3 violations of international law, then we would be on the right track and not on the brink of a possible WWIII.

 

[verbster]

Well, here we go again. Time to do the shut-down-the -government dance. It's really getting old.

 

[Theo Goodman]

What is this "shut down the goverment" dance?

 

[verbster]

What is this "shut down the goverment" dance?

Congressional war over the budget and debt ceiling. It's more of a slam dance.

 

[JB Lions]

What is this "shut down the goverment" dance?

So it's happened. No wonder the low Congress approval ratings.

 

[GILSAN]

Will they also be closing Obama's favorite golf courses?

How about the NSA... will they also shut down and stop spying on us?

 

[DU]

Will they also be closing Obama's favorite golf courses?

Huh?

 

[GILSAN]

Do you think the "Affordable Care Act" is better than " Obamacare"... or vice-versa?

Here are some interesting opinions on the "Obamacare vs. The Affordable Care Act"

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2scvIFGjE"]Six of One - Obamacare vs. The Affordable Care Act - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JB Lions]

-golf-

 

[Theo Goodman]

 

[GILSAN]

Looks to me like a big drama. :zzz: The MSM is loving it 'cause they can talk about it 48 hours a day for at least another week or so, then those hard working politicians in Washington will come to a miraculous agreement and planet USA will begin to spin again. :o

 

[JB Lions]

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save it for 2016, get back to work

Sorry dude, won't happen again, for now.

 

[YrocDomains]

since we are talking politics better website politicalfreefall.com or dirtyangrypolitics.com

and my take is the GOP needs to get off the high horsethey are on because public opinion is they are to blame for the shut down .

********for disclosure im a registered independent