Labeled as information in Domain Buying and Selling Discussion, started by JagG, Aug 8, 2020
You can trade Ground Nut Oil - Crude I think
Have a look and calculate your own value.....
All we’ve heard so far is mods this and that. Poor case. Forget Namepros and let’s provide some real, legal evidence.
Has the “real” owner stepped up to the plate? Where are communications with the registrars or legal filings?
The only reason this domain made news again is because a NPs member decided to buy it. Whether he knew what he was buying depends on who sold it, for how much, and I know of at least one "hot shot" broker who handled it 3 years ago.
Its status as stolen has not changed, and there are reasons for that I cannot disclose but the Mods are fully aware of what is going on here.
Whether someone comes back after 13 years or not to claim it is irrelevant: there is a thief out there making money from stealing, holding, and selling domains.
If you buy a $2k bike from a thief for $200 and no one comes to claim it, it's still a stolen bike.
This is nothing like the CQD.com case that owner came here and James Booth also provided details of whom he purchased the domain from.
I don't think anyone believes the current owner stole the domain name, at least I don't. But for those with the use of paid tools like DomainIQ you can see all the whois history changes, and I am not sure where anyone has refuted the evidence that @Acroplex laid out.
AccountingSoftwareZone.com and Virginia Seidel don't look to be able to be contacted as the company went out of business.
Not questioning Richard Lau.
But, I am curious one one thing. AlejandroGarcia.com?
Can anyone explain the meaning behind MxDominios setting the location as: AlejandroGarcia.com and using a profile image of what google image search tells me is one Emiliano Zapata
Last login date shows 2010. Could the account have been hacked, is this a cryptic message, or...?
Forgive me, for not having too much of an extended knowledge about the pioneer days of domaining. I'm wondering if I am missing something (such as an inside joke? or the significance behind the firstnamelastname.com) as to me, Alejandro Garcia rings a bell as a restricted nP member (@AlejandroGarcia) connected to threads such as:
No, Richard Lau's profile at DomainState wasn't hacked. But I have no idea why he used that domain in 2007 - it dropped in 2015. The restricted member's reported activities are from 2018/2019.
the fact dropped 2015 makes it look all more peculiar. Obviously, wanted cut connection.
Would nice if mods commented. Please.? lol
I want there to be a decision... Hate pergatory.
How to prevent
any other 3L flagged coms?
This is such an unfortunate problem.
“due diligence” such easy thing say hindsight
And that's exactly why there's no hope for such threads on NamePros.
Well then, ask Richard Lau, Samer. Maybe you'll dig up something I don't know.
i admire you watching out for industry;
without you; be like “Wild West” (no pun)
it’s can be scary to think about; sorry for bias.
there may be no right wrong answer in the end
i just want to prevent future problems like this;
with better communication for current stolen 3l. Seriously feel can happen to any unfortunate
i see no end in sight...
I wish there was a way to learn from these.
To prevent from (re)happening.
Documentation is Key to Recovering Hijacked Domain Names
When victims of domain name hijackings contact our Security Team for guidance, we will ask about the circumstances relating to the attack. We’ll ask whether they have contacted their hosting provider, registrar, or law enforcement. We next ask, “do you have any way to demonstrate to your sponsoring registrar that the registration or use of the domain is rightfully yours?”
Sadly, many parties who contact us haven’t considered that they will have to prove that the domain is theirs to use. Some parties contact us only after they’ve already experienced difficulties when they’ve tried to recover their domain names. They’ll ask, “Why is the recovery process so hard?”
As if the puzzle conspiracists need any more twists or turns, the current landing page for AlejandroGarcia.com seems to be a broken HD landing page. Not sure why the landing page isn't working...
In 2014/2015, prior to HugeDomains picking it up in 2015, the nameservers for alejandrogarcia.com were set to "dominiomx.com"
In 2013, dominiomx.com (any relation or MxDominos pun?) was registered by one Alejandro Garcia Briseno using [email protected]. Domain looks to still remain under one Alejandro Garcia Briseno.
I suspect [email protected] was used to facilitate at least one domain theft (2016/2017) using a similar acquisition method as theoreticized happened with Asz.com.
Could this be a hacker/troll? :hacker:
Have you seen any evidence to the contrary?
ICANN.. The day is saved!
ICANN is a big part why why this happens.
Never shouldve gave them key to internet lmo.
Is Mr. Lau on namePros?
I don't suspect Richard Lau as a domain thief. I'm just a little confused to the connection, especially considering all the Alejandro shenanigans that went down lately. Wondering if a hacker(s) is trolling Mr. Lau?
I mean, MxDominos had a history of calling out stolen domains, likely ruining some hacker(s) and/or thief(s) day.
Wondering, if there is some sort of retaliatory component?
No. I have not seen any CURRENT evidence. Its all speculation at this point.
There is suspicion that the original owner (2007) may have received an insurance settlement to cover the asset. That would explain why no follow up or recovery process began.
Does that give it a free pass? No. Although it may explain why there has not been a follow up attempt to recover the domain.
We seem to be in uncharted territory due to the length of time that has passed. So many scenarios remain a possibility.
We as a community should reserve judgement until all facts are discovered and presented. This community has produced some exemplary investigations in the past and I remain hopeful we can say the same with this case.
I will now defer to the investigative experts. (@Grilled and @Acroplex are some of the best we have)
I believe we all want clarity. We all want the same thing. Attacking those that have different views is not the answer. We need to support our differences and keep an open mind.
I cannot share all that I know about the thief or the domain's history, and the Moderators are on the same page. This thread isn't a court, it's a warning that @JagG put out there and for good reasons. Peppering it with unrelated speculations, no matter how interesting or wild, doesn't help anyone keep up with the subject. In fact, it becomes more practical to take the conversation onto blogs reporting on this and other instances of domain theft.
@JagG better close this thread and be sorry and if anything you need to ask .. ask in private and then verify, if we start doing this .. it goes long way .. what if someone ask you that: Aerosol.com is stolen domain than how do you feel? .. if you have any concern the best way is to send a private message in any platform and see the result, and if you are not comfortable with your purchase drop and move forward.
I hope that clears all.
I contacted Richard to let him know he is being discussed here, so hopefully he will reply here.
Richard Lau here -- I was told to drop by and chime in. I've not been on NP in so long I needed to do a password reset! Ok, so..... I've skimmed over the thread and to start:
No, I'm not MXdominios.
For ASZ.com -- See: http://www.DomainState/warning-forum-23/asz-com-stolen-77329.html?p=363375
Seems like that thread was started by mxdominios and he posted info about asz.com and accuses nameowner as being a thief. I am "locos" and I chime in with my sarcastic reply about Jonathan being a duck rolling around in orange sauce.
If I recall correctly the investigation (allegedly) concluded that (hypothetically) nameowner (possibly) contacted NSI to do an (alleged) Identity Theft Domain Hijacking of ASZ.com by renewing it (pretending to be the real owner) and restoring it out of the Redemption Grace Period.
Now, we can all argue over who the victim is: Is it the owner of ASZ.com? But they abandoned the domain. Is it NSI? They didn't receive any proceeds from the domain going to auction. Is it stolen if it wasn't going to be renewed. This guy (whoever stole asz.com by fraudulently pretending to the the owner) basically snatched it out of a grey area. He wasn't the first, and asz.com this wasn't the only domain he did this on. Quack, quack!
I respectfully disagree. There is no need to report anything until facts are discovered. IMO
Edit: Just saw that the "disliker" wrote a piece already.
this is where the conundrum happens;
They seem to know more than letting on.
Saying; “mods know the domain history”
OK thanks for warning. take their word!
& @Acroplex’s reputation speaks for itself.
I invited the current registrant to share information on his acquisition. He resorted to making personal attacks and using a variety of epithets, completely avoiding anything of substance on his less than 2 weeks old acqusition.
He did the same to @JagG via Twitter hence this thread. As far as I'm concerned, go ahead and buy or not buy this stolen domain. Its previous seller & thief was blocked here on NamePros.
When some fresh members come here to question Jag's approach makes me wonder how much of a waste of time it is to even come here and debate about a stolen domain. Maybe some deserve to buy that domain then and be on the receiving end of the heat.
Those that have inside information should not be reporting on respective blogs.
Sorry for what!!
Look back on what I said, please.
For one I do not buy red flag names!! reason why I started this thread to give awareness on buyer's to do Due Diligence!!!
Separate names with a comma.