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Hi guys,
Anyone notice a significant DECREASE in offers being made for domains now??
Thanks!
SDX
Anyone notice a significant DECREASE in offers being made for domains now??
Thanks!
SDX
Seabass said:Jesse.....I'm not sure what the hell is going on, but check out these insane prices at TDNAM. These auctions closed at these really high prices. Granted there was some expired traffic, but expired traffic does disappear. The prices are not justified :
19323362
o3q.com
$1,005 $10 109
AUCTION CLOSED
01/26/2009 11:44 AM (PST)
19321531
badcupid.com
$580 $10 31
AUCTION CLOSED
01/26/2009 11:46 AM (PST)
19321231
arab-woman.org
$250 $10 10
AUCTION CLOSED
01/26/2009 11:50 AM (PST)
19321765
bestbajafishing.com
$610 $10 71
AUCTION CLOSED
01/26/2009 11:51 AM (PST)
19321075
trava.com
$1,500 $10 47
AUCTION CLOSED
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Yea....they were all drops.labrocca said:Maybe it's Adam again. hehe
Personally I can see Trava.com at $1500. Maybe a great Travel type site. I think 5L dotcom pronouncable brandables have a long-term positive position. The rest...yeah..suspicious but who can guess the nature of buyers. Also are these drop auctions? Because it sucks that I can try and sell repeatedly for years a domain and get nothing. Then I let it drop and some arsehole bids it up to $x,xxx and I get nothing while drop company gets paid. That really pisses me off about the industry.
I don't like any of them. I'd hate to be holding on to 1,000 "brandable" domains like Trava.com waiting and praying for an end user sale.
Daniel, most have in .com. But the three examples I showed above are drops I got for very little. Does that not show there is opportunity?The Stealthy One said:But don't you think all the "good" names are taken, Seabass? From where I stand, it looks like the "little guy" has been priced out of the domaining market. This is very depressing, as I had only just gotten started good.
I hope those pay off for you. Buying those domains just feels to me like playing the lottery. Maybe 5 to 10 percent composition is a good angle at a shot of big cash from an end user. I had not considered that.....I really only have seen them as holding me back since they are liabilities (unless they make money in ppc or development) until they are sold and move from the liability column to the asset column.labrocca said:I don't think it's unreasonable to have a 5-10% of your portfolio into brandables. So many can be had for under $25 that are fairly good. Heck for $50 you can actually grab some very good ones imho.
Here are some examples of a few that I have an really like:
Witza.com
Zanmo.com
eZood.com
Fruny.com
Obubo.com
Sluxo.com
Voglo.com
Vucky.com
Vuwin.com
I grabbed most of those under $20.
As for India...I think that's why some new blood has entered the market. The benefit of domains is their world market appeal. The article you link to is excellent at highlighting the potential for growth.
What doesn't break you, makes you stronger!Seabass said:Daniel, most have in .com. But the three examples I showed above are drops I got for very little. Does that not show there is opportunity?
.in domains have barely even been registered yet. Read that article. There are .in domains that you can hand reg that have positive cash flow.
What about .mx or .br domains? I have some Portuguese domains that make a lot.....meaning several hundred dollars to more than a thousand a year each. It helps to think outside the box these days.....at least on some purchases.
Is everyone here depressed or unexcited? I did not realize it had gotten this bad for so many domainers. I thought there would be some others here that are still doing at least okay.....at least 30%. Maybe they are all taking a break from domaining as has been speculated.
I do know that it is hard to see straight or think straight when it is hard to pay the bills, I've been there, but if you lose optimism......then you have nothing. That does not mean you should lose sight of being realistic either.....but there are still money-making domains to be bought at reasonable prices if you look hard enough.
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The Stealthy One said:But don't you think all the "good" names are taken, Seabass? From where I stand, it looks like the "little guy" has been priced out of the domaining market. This is very depressing, as I had only just gotten started good.
Seabass said:I hope those pay off for you. Buying those domains just feels to me like playing the lottery. Maybe 5 to 10 percent composition is a good angle at a shot of big cash from an end user. I had not considered that.....I really only have seen them as holding me back since they are liabilities (unless they make money in ppc or development) until they are sold and move from the liability column to the asset column.
I hope those pay off for you. Buying those domains just feels to me like playing the lottery. Maybe 5 to 10 percent composition is a good angle at a shot of big cash from an end user. I had not considered that.....I really only have seen them as holding me back since they are liabilities (unless they make money in ppc or development) until they are sold and move from the liability column to the asset column.
labrocca said:Imagine any of those with 1999 reg dates..it would immediately make them worth $100+ easily.
labrocca said:Part of the problem with dictionary terms is that companies can't use them to brand and it's becoming less popular to do so. Example is Snoops forgive.com. Yeah great dictionary term but does it generate any revenue. What company would want to use it for branding?
labrocca said:One day I can forsee ad companies buying up hundreds of brandables to keep in stock for future clients. What's a 5L pronouncable dotcom going to be worth to a car company...lexus.com anyone? sentra.com, acura, buick, volvo, SCION, mazda...
That's just cars too so just imagine the upward possibility of brandables. Part of the problem is having too few imho. If you have 20-50 to show a prospective buyer then you stand a greater chance of them finding one they really like.
Even at $200 a brandable and paying $10-$50 each that's a substantial profit. Every single CCC.com is worth at least $150-$200 no matter the combination.
When it is all said and done fogive.com sold for 5 times what I paid for 5.5 years ago, plus it made about $600 in parking revenue in that time.
Different people have been thinking up good reasons to buy these names for years way too many combinations compared to the size of the market for these names.
How have the people who bought hundreds of made up brandable names gone with their investments?
So yes, the world is becoming less and less dependent on American for its economic prosperity. This will be a feature of this century and the world financial compass will invariably have to realign itself
Or maybe a settling statement if you plan on being an expatriate.labrocca said:An unsettling statement. I plan on leaving USA when my children grow up and become an expat travelling the world. I know I can live well on my internet income (hopefully in the future too) with what I earn right now.
Seabass said:Or maybe a settling statement if you plan on being an expatriate.
I'm leaning that way also....looking to do it in the next 10 to 15 years from now. I'm going to keep a cheap, low-maintenance residence in the States in case I need run home for any reason.
labrocca said:Of course that's true because pricing 5 years ago was better for generics. The drop market was lucrative still and you could pick up lots of generics for $xxx. Is that true today? Like I said there comes a point where you can't obtain generics for a price that's reasonable.
labrocca said:Can I ask if you have been able to acquire generics the past year at good prices you are comfortable that you can sell for profit in the next 3-5?
labrocca said:And what about all the weird CCC.com's that sell for mid $xxx or even $x,xxx? As if those names are better than a 5L brandable in some manner? I don't think so.
labrocca said:Same could be said in 1999 when people bought hundreds of generics. What possible use was there then?
labrocca said:5L pronouncables are going to be very scarce in a couple years. It will take time for these names to mature. As for usage...I have used many myself to develop. I haven't yet had a great success but that's a yet. I expect eventually to brand something worth good money.
labrocca said:Is your opinion that in 5 years forgive.com will be worth much more than the $10k it just sold for? Curious about what you really think it's long-term value will be.
This is a great point, and well said. We do need people to represent concepts too! - but creative minds should be fully utilized.JoshuaPz said:The world would become a much more productive place if the tens of thousands amongst us would re-channel those endless hours spent keying text representing concepts through whois checkers into acts of writing, artistic creation, problem solving, and other activities that facilitate the creation of those concepts.
More good advice that I agree with wholeheartedly!zorag said:If you have a LOT of crap domains like the ones you acquired when you were dabbling and wet behind the ears (the ones you know are crap), get rid of them and cut down on your overheads. If you have premiums or keywords, do the right thing and develop them while your waiting for this downturn to upturn. Now is the time to sit down and streamline, work a bit harder on your inventory and create something from nothing!!
zorag said:Hold on to your best assets!
If you can stretch this out for a year or so it will come back up on the flip side for sure ..
Yea.....I agree the economy is very resilient.newvista said:Totally agree, the economy is far more resilient than people think, think of this recession as a massive correction rather than doomsday.
This depend on each family and location.Seabass said:Yea.....I agree the economy is very resilient.
This, I agree 100%Seabass said:It's just the Dollar I worry about.....print, print, print. I read that there is now 30% more Dollars in circulation than a year ago.