Brandbucket Challenges Dnbolt For Reporting Sales Data

[Dnbolt]

Hi guys today I made a final decision to join namepros. I don’t normally participate in forums discussions etc. I have BIG concern that I want to share with you and get your opinions.

Little bit about myself: l am a student, I recently developed interest in data, I am a part time domain investor, I spend most of my time creating unbeatable algorithms and finally as you may know I publish BB sales at dnbolt

About a year I started developing interests in brandabale domain. I needed to get some insight about sold domains from brandbucket but quickly learnt brandbucket doesn’t publish them. But fortunately enough we all know that in the domain name world most data is obtainable, right?

To keep things short, I have been getting emails from brandbucket asking me if I can prevent making the data crawlable by search engine technically asking me to make the content available to just myself.
Months later I got a forwarded email asking if I can obfuscate the sold domains I have listed to prevent google indexing the content. But to be honest if google index my content on search how is that my problem?
Surprisingly they have even gone the extent of contacting my hosting provider. I was a little bit upset that they contacted my hosting as I was only being helpful providing data to those who needed it and instead of getting a pat on the back for my hard work, I got accused and an invisible spanking.


My question to you is.

1. How can a marketplace try to claim ownership or exclusive rights to a domain that has been SOLD and no longer listed on the site for sale?
2. How can a SOLD DOMAIN still belong to the previous marketplace in any way, shape or or form?
3. Why can’t they be happy that I am helping them to publish sales data for free?
4. Does BB have any right to challenge Dnbolt for the kind service he renders?
5. Do I have to listen to BB and stop proving sales data to the public?


I would like to hear your thoughts thanks.

 

[Dnbolt]

If someone can show that that data is proprietary then I think they could have a case to have the data removed via a simple DMCA action. Since pricing is only found on their site it wouldn't surprise me at all if a DMCA made to your host resulted in that data being removed. I could be wrong, but I suspect you're on shakier ground than they are.

FWIW I'm not advocating such a motion from BB, but just trying to give a balance to the issue at hand.

So what is your problem with hiding the data from search engines?

What FWIW means?

 

[Dnbolt]

My $0.02 stand for /my 2 cents or my opinion/

Thanks, that's new..

 

[Georgi Vasilev]

Yw And now my 2 cents - I am standing by your side in this case. If's fair and it's just absurd how a big and respected company like BB is trying to push you to the wall.

 

[Dnbolt]

Yw And now my 2 cents - I am standing by your side in this case. If's fair and it's just absurd how a big and respected company like BB is trying to push you to the wall.

Yes, they should just make the data open source and people will become less curious to find out sales information. We all need data to take informed decisions.

 

[Ted Levy]

What you decide to do ultimately is up to you; there are many good ideas on this thread.

That said, I'm extremely confident that you are doing nothing wrong and you are on solid legal ground. Anybody can do what you did, the information is on the net and you found it and published it

If I or another BB publisher did that, it would be against the terms of our agreement with BB, however, which explicitly prohibits publishing sales data.

 

[Dnbolt]

What you decide to do ultimately is up to you; there are many good ideas on this thread.

That said, I'm extremely confident that you are doing nothing wrong and you are on solid legal ground. Anybody can do what you did, the information is on the net and you found it and published it

If I or another BB publisher did that, it would be against the terms of our agreement with BB, however, which explicitly prohibits publishing sales data.

Thanks for your response intresting to know that someone also thinks I am doing nothing wrong. However at @Brandworthy mentioned that I am on weaker ground than BB, I guess you don't agree with Brandworthy comments?

 

[sittingducks]

They should hire you instead of doing this #(%)#

 

[Dnbolt]

They should hire you instead of doing this #(%)#

Lol, that's pretty common. But the question is what service would they even want from me then asking me to take my site down as I am still a stundent @ university

 

[Ted Levy]

Thanks for your response intresting to know that someone also thinks I am doing nothing wrong. However at @Brandworthy mentioned that I am on weaker ground than BB, I guess you don't agree with Brandworthy comments?

No I do not.

 

[golan]

1. what if I made an option to allow domainers have thier domains removed?

It won't solve anything. I guess 99,9% of BB buyers have no idea about which sites are listing their buying info and don't give a flying fuck. They just want this info not be there and are relying on BB in this, so BB is kinda their guarantor. So it's obvious they would want to shut all the listings down.

2. Yes please let me have a look at that script, it could be helpful if I decided to use that approach.

I'll send you it once i'll get my coder to make it external script.

Well good luck with them finding my server this time.

But then they can turn down to your registrar.

 

[Dnbolt]

It won't solve anything. I guess 99,9% of BB buyers have no idea about which sites are listing their buying info and don't give a flying f*ck. They just want this info not be there and are relying on BB in this, so BB is kinda their guarantor. So it's obvious they would want to shut all the listings down.



I'll send you it once i'll get my coder to make it external script.



But then they can turn down to your registrar.

The registrstrar is not responible I have done reserach

 

[12345]

Hi @Dnbolt All we have asked is that you obfuscate the names and not allow the site to be indexed in order to keep the sale confidential for our customers. The indexing of these sales can have a negative impact on our sellers if our customers see their names listed. are not pleased, and shy away from making future purchases.

We also did not contact your hosting provider.

 

[Dnbolt]

Hi @Dnbolt All we have asked is that you obfuscate the names and not allow the site to be indexed in order to keep the sale confidential for our customers. The indexing of these sales can have a negative impact on our sellers if our customers see their names listed. are not pleased, and shy away from making future purchases.

We also did not contact your hosting provider.

Of course somebody from Brandbucket team called Jane R contacted my hosting provider

=>BB mentions my URL

This website is scraping private domain sales data and displaying it on
his website.

Plus, the website he is scraping the data from does not permit this
information to be made available to the public!-

Thank you.
Jane R

=>BB mentions their URL with their terms of service

INFORMATION ON ANY
DOMAIN NAME SOLD AT BRANDBUCKET, INCLUDING THE NAME, PRICE AND/OR LOGO
DESIGN MAY NOT BE LISTED ON YOUR PERSONAL WEBSITE OR OTHER MARKETPLACE
WITHOUT BRANDBUCKET'S APPROVAL. BRANDBUCKET RETAINS THE RIGHT TO BE THE
SOLE PUBLISHER OF SALES INFORMATION IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH CUSTOMERS'
NEEDS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION PRIVATE AT ANY TIME.

-------------------------------------------------

 

[12345]

That isn't us.

 

[Dnbolt]

That isn't us.

So I am making up stories?

 

[12345]

All I am saying is that we did not contact your hosting provider.

 

[Dnbolt]

All I am saying is that we did not contact your hosting provider.

Well someone contacted my hosting in the name of "Brandbucket" so Brandbucket is 100% responsbible and cannot deny the fact.

 

[cocaseco]

If it were me, I would take this post down, though probably already indexed, and ignore it all until a letter shows up from an attorney. Then, depending on the merits of their accusations I would determine what my next step is. I doubt you will ever get such a letter.

 

[Dnbolt]

If it were me, I would take this post down, though probably already indexed, and ignore it all until a letter shows up from an attorney. Then, depending on the merits of their accusations I would determine what my next step is. I doubt you will ever get such a letter.

Why should this post be taken down? To succeed in life we must plan ahead. I am asking for advice from fellow domainers. Letter from an attorney? I would love to get a letter from an attorney.

 

[DNVantage]

<removed> nevermind

 

[Dnbolt]

Why should this post be taken down? To succeed in life we must plan ahead . I am asking for advice from fellow domainers. BB are there one that upset me, and made me to signup with namepros. Letter from an attorney? I would love to get a letter from an attorney.

<removed> nevermind

You mean myself?

 

[cocaseco]

Why should this post be taken down? To succeed in life we must plan ahead. I am asking for advice from fellow domainers. Letter from an attorney? I would love to get a letter from an attorney.

Everything you say, can and will be manipulated, turned and used against you in a court of law, why give them anything. Your comments will be picked apart and thrown back at you out of context. Its a sad state of affairs, but in today's world what seems like an innocent post can come back to harm you. IMO of course.

 

[DNVantage]

You mean myself?

no, I removed my post.

 

[enterscope]

My opinion is that Domain names sold on public marketplaces is PUBLIC INFORMATION.

All other domain marketplaces have public sales reports like Afternic, Godaddy, Sedo, DomainNameSales, etc. No one else pitches a fit.

 

[Doron Vermaat]

My opinion is that Domain names sold on public marketplaces is PUBLIC INFORMATION.

All other domain marketplaces have public sales reports like Afternic, Godaddy, Sedo, DomainNameSales, etc. No one else pitches a fit.

Only Sedo and Flippa report sales data these days. GoDaddy and Afternic havent reported any sales data for over a year and the last time DNS reported sales data was in Q1 last year.