What will be the biggest flop in '08?

[jacal1]

By the way, this IS an "official" thread - in case you were wondering :hehe: .

My guesses for biggest flops:

dictionary words with no commercial connection

.us

.tv

"brandable" nonsense words

LLLLs in anything but .com

all but the 4-5 biggest silent auctions (or was that '07?)

.biz (or was that '06?)

 

[Jeff]

well i think .ASIA will be the biggest flop because asians themselves wont use it.. they dont even CALL themselves asian... its just us westerners that call them that.

I guess some domains like travel.asia and stuff like that could get valuable... but i dont see many endusers here... at least not asians.

^^ :bingo:

Bah, .com is old school. We have a whole new generation of domainers and businesses looking to get nice keywords at affordable prices. Fishing for the 80 millionth .com is not the way to go IMO.

New tlds will open up a whole new spectrum of the still brand new internet. We have seen the internet explode over the last 10-15 years and during that time it was all about .com. Now that .com is saturated to the point of no return we will see new tlds bring the internet to the next stage.

My guess is that in another 10-15 years .com will just be another tld amongst various other exts...no better, no worse.

:bah:

You and some of your wishful .MOBI Rosies™ got into some bad "dot Mobey" juice ... and it's impairing your judgement, IMHO.

Please don't make the exact same mistakes with the ".ASIA", friends! :yell:

Caveat emptor!
-Jeff

 

[AdoptableDomains]

New tlds will open up a whole new spectrum of the still brand new internet. We have seen the internet explode over the last 10-15 years and during that time it was all about .com. Now that .com is saturated to the point of no return we will see new tlds bring the internet to the next stage.

I would have said the same thing when the first round of TLD's were introduced, but it just hasn't happened that way. However, now I think it's the opposite. If new TLD's aren't introduced, it may give info/biz a chance to rise not equal to, but closer to the level of .com. If they are introduced, it just creates more paupers under the king and princes.

Until search completely replaces direct navigation, .com will have the advantage.

My guess is that in another 10-15 years .com will just be another tld amongst various other exts...no better, no worse.

It may be less of a gap, but I don't think anything has a chance to catch up to be equal with .com any time in the foreseeable future. Too much has been invested in .com sites to ever switch. The more other TLD's start to catch up, the more the .COM will be emphasized by the present owners. "Dot-com" is no longer just an extension... it's a word, an "upper class" of websites, and almost a generic description of an online business. The number one registrar Godaddy only makes it worse by running commercials saying "get your dot-com name" instead of the generic wording of "domain name".

:imho:

 

[raredn.com]

well i think .ASIA will be the biggest flop because asians themselves wont use it.. they dont even CALL themselves asian... its just us westerners that call them that.

I guess some domains like travel.asia and stuff like that could get valuable... but i dont see many endusers here... at least not asians.

Indeed, thats, why the .asia names I would like to have would only be aimed at westerners not at asians at all like: discover.asia, experience.asia, travel.asia, cooking.asia and trade .asia (for western trade to asia)

I think there is a 'far far far' bigger concern as to whether .asia flops miserably or triumphs admirably

'The biggest concern' is the noobie 'register anything attitude being displayed in the .asia showcase thread'

Now hear me out people, 'these people are not thinking at all', [highlight]even if .asia does become a huge extension, the names displayed in the .asia showcase thread will be worthless junk anyway[/highlight] unless solely going for developing, as with .com only select names have value anyway, these noobs think money grows on trees, they don't understand the complete picture of how domaining works IMO they are clueless

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[xman]

Shouldn't you have regged: "SalzburgStadt" or "StadtSalzburg" or to stick within the English context "CityOfSalzburg"? Just wondering

M.

All those were regged in .com

For some reason I prefer GeoCity over CityOfGeo. I guess that's because it is shorter. But don't get me wrong if I see any good available city under CityOfGeo I will not hesitate to take it.

 

[notlikeyou]

Bah, .com is old school. We have a whole new generation of domainers and businesses looking to get nice keywords at affordable prices. Fishing for the 80 millionth .com is not the way to go IMO.

My guess is that in another 10-15 years .com will just be another tld amongst various other exts...no better, no worse.

I completely disagree. Are there any signs that any other extensions are gaining ground on .com? Don't get me wrong I'm not a sage vet of the internet, but I would love to see some examples of businesses that are using other extensions.

 

[AdoptableDomains]

But .ws is about as easy as you can get without it being a multiple character. Yet I see people regestering .asia names that are still avaialble in .ws

.ws has a dark cloud hanging over it similar to being a "bastard child". Most of it actually created by domainers instead of end users. It's a ccTLD, but then again it's not treated like a ccTLD. It's definitely not an ICANN sanctioned gTLD or sTLD. Samoa is the technical owner, but a commercial entity has leased almost full control. You can't transfer them to a different registrar, which is a major negative factor in ease of trading them or consolidating to a favorite registrar. Don't get me wrong, I think they have some potential even against these odds, and I own almost 200 strong .ws keyword domains for the long term.

.asia IS an ICANN sanctioned domain. It doesn't have the limitations of .ws, except for a nexus restriction. The problem with .asia is that it's both a geo targeted domain and covers many languages. It's almost a second layer over the individual ccTLD's of the countries in Asia. If I really wanted an .asia domain for development, I'd want that word in about 20 Asian languages and different IDN character sets to be covered and avoid confusion. It might be easier to just use .com or .net.

 

[netfleet]

Bah, .com is old school. We have a whole new generation of domainers and businesses looking to get nice keywords at affordable prices. Fishing for the 80 millionth .com is not the way to go IMO.

New tlds will open up a whole new spectrum of the still brand new internet. We have seen the internet explode over the last 10-15 years and during that time it was all about .com. Now that .com is saturated to the point of no return we will see new tlds bring the internet to the next stage.

My guess is that in another 10-15 years .com will just be another tld amongst various other exts...no better, no worse.

keithmt, you are on the right track but IMO it's the cc-TLD's that will rise against the .com machine. I think the .net, .biz, .info, .tv etc will really struggle to find a distinction in the minds of an end user. .mobi has a clear distinctions for its use but I worry about the potential market in that extension (although I could be wrong = it might kick-ass!).

cc-TLD's have a clear distinction that's easy to see by anyone including, importantly non-domainers. Also many cc-TLDs are located in or targetted to the accepted growth areas of the internet.

 

[frankiethepet]

Bah, .com is old school. We have a whole new generation of domainers and businesses looking to get nice keywords at affordable prices. Fishing for the 80 millionth .com is not the way to go IMO.

New tlds will open up a whole new spectrum of the still brand new internet. We have seen the internet explode over the last 10-15 years and during that time it was all about .com. Now that .com is saturated to the point of no return we will see new tlds bring the internet to the next stage.

My guess is that in another 10-15 years .com will just be another tld amongst various other exts...no better, no worse.

This is what i have thought about too, .com is still gonna be one of the most valuable domains but on the whole its gonna DROP alot in value, cause the more extensions that gets accepted by the "demanders" the more competition .coms gonna have and loose its monopoly and a lot of its value.

 

[damagedgoods]

[QUOTE= (although I could be wrong = it might kick-ass!).

Maybe yes, but don't need to ask your age to say' not in our lifetime!

I think .asia is a big looser too (they might have learned something from the .mobi big hype launch to "hey, maybe this extension is obsolete for it's intended purpose, and only months after the launch! :tri: .asia decided "Let's invent a system to milk everyone prior to it's legacy.

With the exception of some big country specific extensions .com .net .org will always reign supreme.

Sorry to ramble, ok, biggest loosers (for investers 2008) .mobi .asia and the very next rollout, whatever that may be. That's my 2 cents!

 

[Jeff]

Sorry to ramble, ok, biggest loosers (for investers 2008) .mobi .asia and the very next rollout, whatever that may be. That's my 2 cents!

^ Other than the "dot Mobey" being THE biggest crash and burn of all time, I think that (your post above) sums it up nicely, in a nutshell, IMHO. :music:

Great thread! :talk: :imho:
-Jeff

 

[damagedgoods]

^^ :bingo:



:bah:

You and some of your wishful .MOBI Rosies™ got into some bad "dot Mobey" juice ... and it's impairing your judgement, IMHO.

Please don't make the exact same mistakes with the ".ASIA", friends! :yell:

Caveat emptor!
-Jeff

Double :bingo: This is just a no brainer! Enter any domain into your browser without an extension and see where it goes' .com! this will never change! How many extensions do you think the non domainer public will keep track of? Name any search engine who disagree! This was the original intension of all those who invented the internet and everything else was an afterthought.

 

[netfleet]

The interesting thing is that the vast majority of those who bag other extensions and can't see past .com's are from the US.

I really don't mean to cause offence by that - it's understandable why - .com is the de-facto cc-TLD in the US so, from a US POV it's hard to understand why anyone would consider anything else.

And, Jeff, please start spelling .mobi correctly!! LOL

 

[raredn.com]

The interesting thing is that the vast majority of those who bag other extensions and can't see past .com's are from the US.

I really don't mean to cause offence by that - it's understandable why - .com is the de-facto cc-TLD in the US so, from a US POV it's hard to understand why anyone would consider anything else.

And, Jeff, please start spelling .mobi correctly!! LOL

[HIGHLIGHT]IMPORTANT INFORMATION, WHY .MOBI IS TRULY A SCAM!!!, [/HIGHLIGHT]

Doing some research into the .mobi extension, it turns out that .mobi is more of scam than one would first imagine, also .mobi also scams advertisers:

I am not from the US, like that matters anyway, but just incase you think there is a related (conjured up) bias. Also I do own some international cc domain names, so that pretty much eliminates your other come backs

1. This is something I noticed straight away about .mobi, have a look at .mobi parked page. The advertisers are for standard .com, non .mobi enhanced advertisers webpages. Now since the .mobi page is supposedly made to show on small screen devices, what happens when the person looking at the ad, clicks on it, on their small screen device and it goes to a full size heavily coded .com website, well the parked page generates a pay per click (if a payper click advertiser) the hyperlink goes to the .com website and the person looking at the small screen device can not see the .com website properly. The .mobi parked page has in effect STOLEN MONEY FROM THE ADVERTISER, SERIOUSLY

2. Also how often do you see any search weight being placed on .mobi domain names when searching google on a pc, none, SEO and links are disregarded on 'pcs and laptops' and other full size computers in regard to .mobi, so that general search is not cluttered with sites optimized for small screens, google tries to make everything run smooth, that is why they have done this. So .mobi is only of any use at all for websites optimized for mobile devices and websites without advertisements at all, because linking a .mobi advertiser to a full size .com advertisers webpage, pretty much destroys any reason for why .mobi should exist

3. enough said, now who's thinking outside of the box (sorry not the .mobi folk), looks like I am

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[bfluid]

.mobi already fell so it can't count.

I think we will see .us take its final kneal (though its close).

 

[raredn.com]

.mobi already fell so it can't count.

I think we will see .us take its final kneal (though its close).

True but .mobi diehards come through this thread, thinking they know everything about new extensions and why they will thrive (ie like .asia) when they are already walking in quicksand

 

[netfleet]

Good points raredn.

I guess the only thing that can overcome these two points is if

1) the advertisers page is also a .mobi & suited to the phone (which might happen in time, i guess) and

2) if people search from their mobile devices and Google etc gives preference to domains with .mobi extension.

Who knows. I'm not a .mobi fan myself btw - more of an anti-.com and pro-cc-TLD type !!

 

[raredn.com]

Thats good to hear netfleet, nothing wrong with cc IMO.

I have noticed true diehard .mobi fans still abound in these threads though, giving somewhat warped advice on why to buy .asia
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[Steven]

Good points raredn.

2) if people search from their mobile devices and Google etc gives preference to domains with .mobi extension.

Unfortunately, new Google Mobile automatically formats any website (.com, .net, .cc, etc) listed in the search results into mobile device compatible form.

 

[raredn.com]

Unfortunately, new Google Mobile automatically formats any website (.com, .net, .cc, etc) listed in the search results into mobile device compatible form.

Ok, cool, thanks mrdomainman, Google Mobile it is then

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[Jeff]

Thats good to hear netfleet, nothing wrong with cc IMO, The true .mobi die hard here is 'keithmt'

But keithmt, seems to think he is the pinnacle of knowledge when it comes domains and .asia, based on nothing from what I can see

Ignore him, as the majority of his remarks are baseless - but have sympathy for him as well ... he's simply a poor newbie soul who got caught up in the hype and hysteria with the lowly "dot Mobey" and now subsequent denial, IMHO. The POINT here is; do not suffer the same fate as he and the Rosies™ (and ending in a vicious circle of denial and embarrassment) with worthless hand registrations in the ".ASIA"! :yell: :imho:

Take care, and goodnight for now. :zzz:
-Jeff