The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[bmugford]

I have seen February 11th, 2008 used as the true "Peak" before.

Here are some sales from that day. Many of the domains listed below are triples and not the bottom tier, and they are all $70 or below.

zvqn.com $50.10 2/11/2008 NamePros
vbvx.com $60.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
xkvc.com $60.00 2/11/2008 DigitalPoint
oaxz.com $64.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
vqzx.com $64.00 2/11/2008 TDNAM
zvnm.com $64.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
qogc.com $65.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
qudp.com $65.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
xvgs.com $65.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
xwdh.com $65.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
ybgw.com $66.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
ibfq.com $69.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
olqs.com $69.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
cxmg.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet
dxeo.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet
hqwd.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet
plxp.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet
qdkc.com $70.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
qleh.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet

1 Month Before then -

vhxj.com $20.00 1/11/2008 Ebay
zvlh.com $22.50 1/11/2008 Ebay
pqzv.com $23.50 1/11/2008 Ebay
currently in auction at $1.00 with 0 bids ending in 6 hours at eBay
dwzr.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ecgq.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ecqx.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
egqp.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
enqg.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
eqjx.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
eqyf.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
evqj.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ewtq.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
vqsq.com $27.00 1/11/2008 Ebay
jqkh.com $28.00 1/11/2008 Ebay
bvzd.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
bzzx.com $30.00 1/11/2008 SnapNames
cjdz.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
cuyh.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
czje.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ejwp.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ekcq.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
eoql.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
dzqi.com $31.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
evvj.com $31.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
bxtu.com $35.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM

1 Month After -

lhrq.com $51.00 3/11/2008 eBay
lpqo.com $51.00 3/11/2008 eBay
xkjb.com $54.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
pqav.com $55.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
yuwj.com $55.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
lqpb.com $56.00 3/11/2008 eBay
lqhn.com $58.00 3/11/2008 eBay
lqpn.com $58.00 3/11/2008 eBay
gwdk.com $59.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
spqe.com $59.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
qidp.com $60.00 3/11/2008 Sedo
yjfl.com $60.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
xndv.com $61.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
lgqo.com $64.00 3/11/2008 eBay
ptxg.com $64.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
tucq.com $64.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
xwrk.com $64.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
bmym.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
ijsw.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
pqni.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
vtmk.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
yrpt.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames

You can see from the data that the month between January 2008 and February 2008 there was a sharp move up. But bad domains were still not selling for close to $250 on a steady basis.

Brad

I said "As much as $250

I saw these sales via different domain auction sites. LLLL.coms were selling like candy bars at that time, And people who did not know better, were paying outrages prices for pure crap LLLL.coms.

I always say, Things are fine if nobody gets hurt, Some people got hurt during the LLLL.com boom, I guess they can take it as a lesson learned.

---------- Post added at 01:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:39 AM ----------

The breakdown of LLLL.com has been gone over before in this thread. I assume you have not read it since your first post in this thread appears to be yesterday (Post #17100)

Brad

How is that???

The majority pf LLLL.coms are either low or mid, Premium quality is a minority in LLLL acronyms

 

[.X.]

I have seen February 11th, 2008 used as the true "Peak" before.

Here are some sales from that day. Many of the domains listed below are triples and not the bottom tier, and they are all $70 or below.

zvqn.com $50.10 2/11/2008 NamePros
vbvx.com $60.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
xkvc.com $60.00 2/11/2008 DigitalPoint
oaxz.com $64.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
vqzx.com $64.00 2/11/2008 TDNAM
zvnm.com $64.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
qogc.com $65.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
qudp.com $65.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
xvgs.com $65.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
xwdh.com $65.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
ybgw.com $66.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
ibfq.com $69.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
olqs.com $69.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
cxmg.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet
dxeo.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet
hqwd.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet
plxp.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet
qdkc.com $70.00 2/11/2008 SnapNames
qleh.com $70.00 2/11/2008 NameJet

1 Month Before then -

vhxj.com $20.00 1/11/2008 Ebay
zvlh.com $22.50 1/11/2008 Ebay
pqzv.com $23.50 1/11/2008 Ebay
currently in auction at $1.00 with 0 bids ending in 6 hours at eBay
dwzr.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ecgq.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ecqx.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
egqp.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
enqg.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
eqjx.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
eqyf.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
evqj.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ewtq.com $25.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
vqsq.com $27.00 1/11/2008 Ebay
jqkh.com $28.00 1/11/2008 Ebay
bvzd.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
bzzx.com $30.00 1/11/2008 SnapNames
cjdz.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
cuyh.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
czje.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ejwp.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
ekcq.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
eoql.com $30.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
dzqi.com $31.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
evvj.com $31.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM
bxtu.com $35.00 1/11/2008 TDNAM

1 Month After -

lhrq.com $51.00 3/11/2008 eBay
lpqo.com $51.00 3/11/2008 eBay
xkjb.com $54.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
pqav.com $55.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
yuwj.com $55.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
lqpb.com $56.00 3/11/2008 eBay
lqhn.com $58.00 3/11/2008 eBay
lqpn.com $58.00 3/11/2008 eBay
gwdk.com $59.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
spqe.com $59.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
qidp.com $60.00 3/11/2008 Sedo
yjfl.com $60.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
xndv.com $61.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
lgqo.com $64.00 3/11/2008 eBay
ptxg.com $64.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
tucq.com $64.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
xwrk.com $64.00 3/11/2008 TDNAM
bmym.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
ijsw.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
pqni.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
vtmk.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames
yrpt.com $65.00 3/11/2008 SnapNames

You can see from the data that the month between January 2008 and February 2008 there was a sharp move up. But bad domains were still not selling for close to $250 on a steady basis.

Brad

Triples, VCVC plays no factor in end user sales, It does in "Domainer to Domainer sales" But not in end user sales. Why would an end user give a crap if LLLL.com has complete repeaters??? They could careless , Example: If a company named "Data Trac Logistic Services" is looking to purchase a LLLL.com for there website, they are obviously going to want to purchase DTLS.com , They could give a crap about DDDS.com

A domainer would pay a premium for double, triple repeaters, An end user has no interest in it. That is why i say, LLLL.com has been a majority of a trend amongst domainers.

The sales you posted above are obviously domainers buying those LLLL.coms, And then they are turning around and selling them to another domainer, which in turn turns around and sells the name to another domainer, and the cycle continues. What is the purpose?? You might as well join a MLM, It is almost the same thing. because when it all said and done, The name has so many down lines of buyers, Everyone made a dollar, But the domain carries no more value than it did.

 

[bmugford]

I am not sure what your point is. Yeah LLLL.com is a domainer market as is LLL.com / CCC.com / LLL.net / NNNN.com and most other short domains. The majority of money in those markets is domainer related.

If you are just buying random crap at peak prices you deserve to take a huge loss.

Domainers buy domains for various reasons

1.) To Flip to other domainers
2.) Domains that have potential end users
3.) Assets they think are under priced as long term holds.

Then there are the domainers that buy things without any research or plans. Those are the ones who will be hurt the most in any market.

There are plenty of domainers still making money on LLLL.com by being selective in what they buy.

Brad

Triples, VCVC plays no factor in end user sales, It does in "Domainer to Domainer sales" But not in end user sales. Why would an end user give a crap if LLLL.com has complete repeaters??? They could careless , Example: If a company named "Data Trac Logistic Services" is looking to purchase a LLLL.com for there website, they are obviously going to want to purchase DTLS.com , They could give a crap about DDDS.com

A domainer would pay a premium for double, triple repeaters, An end user has no interest in it. That is why i say, LLLL.com has been a majority of a trend amongst domainers.

The sales you posted above are obviously domainers buying those LLLL.coms, And then they are turning around and selling them to another domainer, which in turn turns around and sells the name to another domainer, and the cycle continues. What is the purpose?? You might as well join a MLM, It is almost the same thing. because when it all said and done, The name has so many down lines of buyers, Everyone made a dollar, But the domain carries no more value than it did.

 

[.X.]

I have enjoyed the debate bmugford, Hopefully no hard feelings.

I came in this forum a year ago and tried like hell to make a point, My point has been confirmed by the down fall of LLLL.coms, I stick to my guns on what i have said a year ago, and today regarding LLLL.com
The current market pricing speaks for itself, Quick flipping is all good, But some where down the line some one is going to loose their A**, And that at the expense of some one trying to make dollar. That is not a good thing for this industry IMO.

My opinion on LLLL.com in general? Know what you are buying, do not buy on impulse just because LLLL.com is a popular thing amongst domainers, It is a helluva competitive business, Dog eat dog at times. That is the nature of the domain name business, So watch what you are vesting your hard earned money in. LLLL.com is not a good investment IMO.

 

[Semtex]

Example: If a company named "Data Trac Logistic Services" is looking to purchase a LLLL.com for there website, they are obviously going to want to purchase DTLS.com , They could give a crap about DDDS.com

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. So since "Data Trac Logistic Services" finds a good acronym for their business that means that DDDS.com is just a piece of junk and only domainers would like this name. But if a company named "Digital Data Distribution Systems" comes along, that means that SSSI is a piece of junk ? What rock did you crawl out from under ?

.

I am just trying to get the message across that, If you buy crap LLLL.coms and expect to tuck them away and make a lot of money, It's not gonna happen.

The bottom line is, I stood my ground in the forum, getting mauled by LLLL.com wanna be millionaires a year ago on this topic. And now the results are in, I was right.

I always say, Things are fine if nobody gets hurt, Some people got hurt during the LLLL.com boom, I guess they can take it as a lesson learned.

.........you will see i said LLLL.com was only domainer trend and would die off, Boy did it! I can buy them today at reg fee in bulk. For the most part, It is still a Domainer trend, and will remain that way IMO

I was kind of hoping that someone with your "God-like" predicting power would repeat the same thing over and over again with different words in each post. You are not some domain messiah that told everyone not to drink the cool aid. Get off your high horse man. Everyone in this forum has seen the ups and downs of the domain world. There's no reason to state the obvious decreases in the market.................WE ALL KNOW.

 

[Domainace]

I said "As much as $250

I saw these sales via different domain auction sites. LLLL.coms were selling like candy bars at that time, And people who did not know better, were paying outrages prices for pure crap LLLL.coms.

I always say, Things are fine if nobody gets hurt, Some people got hurt during the LLLL.com boom, I guess they can take it as a lesson learned.

I sold a name that was, at best, a single premium a couple months ago (during the nadir) for well over $100 at Ebay. The buyer was smart, and happy with the purchase. The point is, those $250 sales for "crap" domains might have been meaningful purchases to those buyers. If my name is Jean Claude Francis Xavier (and thank goodness it's not!), then JCFX is a domain I'd be ready to drop a couple hundred for.

And I thank you for trying to warn us newbies off the LLLL boom. I got into domaining last year during its height, and I got stung a bit. But, heck, I was going to lose money somewhere...that's what newbies do. Sorry I missed your posts, though

I think there are enough Jean Claude Francis Xaviers out there to make LLLL investments worthwhile. But I don't think we'll have any definitive answers until the overall domain market picks up again. LLLLs are just too easy and too liquid to give up. As devalued as they are, they are the closest thing to cash in domaining.

 

[WORDSWORTH]

Still a few LLLL.com domains remaining from today's drop. Please click the top link in my signature if you want to see them. Edit: all names now taken.

 

[krishmk]

I guess today's best drop will be TEDU.com
Biddings already gone upto $800 @ namejet....

 

[tetrapak]

NJ recent days:

ascd $2,072
datm $223
snex $460
drog $889
hdgf $141 (h-g-f combo)
htdt $141
ctpi $315
hflp $110 (h-f combo)
fsod $202

I'm going to make a report in the next days. Currently this month we had only two domains below $130, one sold for $110 and the other for $120. This is a HUGE change after July.

 

[-REECE-]

In a perfect world, every domain would be examined carefully for possible end users prior to purchase. The whole idea of letter quality, letter pattern, domain length, etc were never meant to be deciding factors on whether a domain should (or should not) be bought but rather tools to help quickly isolate domains which likely show the most end user potential. I do think 3Character.com played a large role in creating this confusion among new domainers, despite it having always stated very clearly on the site that the prices reported were suggested minimums, that in no way did they predict end user prices, etc.

Quickly doing a few acronym searches, it's evident that most LLL.coms have more potential end users than most LLLL.coms. What many domainers have unfortunately done is interpreted this as if it was some kind of universal truth in which every LLL.com is worth more than just about every LLLL.com. Either domainers are behaving quite irrationally or there's a large "LLL.com domainer collectibility element" at play (probably a combination of both) inflating prices of what weaker LLL.coms should otherwise sell for. LLLL.coms seem to have inherited some of that domainer collectibility element and I would imagine most people investing in weaker LLLL.coms are at least to a certain extent banking on that trend growing stronger in the future.

From an end user perspective, LLL.coms and LLLL.coms with triple repeats are in my opinion overpriced if strictly considering end users, however premium combinations with such a pattern often do show more end user potential than most other (unpronounceable) LLL.coms and LLLL.coms of similar letter quality. For as long as I can remember, domainers have paid large premiums for short domains with repeating letters. This trend began many years before LLLL.coms ever became a hot domainer commodity and seems to attract the same type of domainer who is interested in very old domains. A quick look around eBay shows there are people that collect just about anything and many believe the precedent has already been set with LLL.coms, LLL.nets, CCC.coms, etc. As has often been mentioned by many domainers in the past, most CCC.coms have less end user potential than LLLL.coms. I was domaining prior to the CCC.com buyout and never purchased a single one -- I didn't even see value in the weaker ones at regfee. One seemingly irrational yet successful buyout doesn't of course predict anything about the success/failure of other buyouts (as CCC.net investors have learnt).

Your mention of the parallels between short domain investing/"flipping" and MLM is one I've observed as well and is by no extent limited to LLLL.coms. I've seen/heard of many LLL.coms being resold 3 and 4 times in the same year. Reading past DN Journal sales reports (or doing whois searches), it's not too hard to see many keyword domains also being resold over and over again to domainers. Domainer prices are often higher than end users are willing to pay and I think the main reason we see short domains resold to other domainers more often than keyword domains is largely explained by the fact short domains are usually much more difficult to monetize, so there's not a lot paying the bills until it's sold.

Triples, VCVC plays no factor in end user sales, It does in "Domainer to Domainer sales" But not in end user sales. Why would an end user give a crap if LLLL.com has complete repeaters??? They could careless , Example: If a company named "Data Trac Logistic Services" is looking to purchase a LLLL.com for there website, they are obviously going to want to purchase DTLS.com , They could give a crap about DDDS.com

A domainer would pay a premium for double, triple repeaters, An end user has no interest in it. That is why i say, LLLL.com has been a majority of a trend amongst domainers.

The sales you posted above are obviously domainers buying those LLLL.coms, And then they are turning around and selling them to another domainer, which in turn turns around and sells the name to another domainer, and the cycle continues. What is the purpose?? You might as well join a MLM, It is almost the same thing. because when it all said and done, The name has so many down lines of buyers, Everyone made a dollar, But the domain carries no more value than it did.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

DNCJ.com sold privately today for 100dollars :wave:
good,Bad,or ugly????

 

[Semtex]

DNCJ.com sold privately today for 100dollars :wave:
good,Bad,or ugly????

Good sell ! I would have predicted a $40 price on the name.

---------- Post added at 08:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:35 PM ----------

Today on TDNX:

yrgu $20
yruf $20
zalq $25
ygdo $20
wsoq $20
vruw $20
vmwx $20
vghb $20
vdoq $25
uwfy $20
uwgy $20
tyuw $20
ryff $55
rzvk $20
rmvf $20
mbxr $20
hrux $25
renewals have been added

 

[D0MA1N]

Lyqa (dot)com sold for $20 at Snap. Very low price.

I see high prices for LLLL.COM at TDNx, but all these domains selling by Godaddy. Another sellers on this auction can't sell low-quality domains even for $10.
If anyone wants to buy these domains at Tdnam for low price, check next domains:

uxbd.com
rlvx.com
hxvt.com
xgdu.com
xghv.com
nvxh.com
vzdh.com
xhbv.com
oxvb.com
rnxv.com
vzhb.com
ufxh.com
vbhx.com
uhnx.com
nvzp.com
nxvb.com
ixvh.com
hvxt.com

 

[krishmk]

hmmm... At last "TEDU.com" went to Namepanther (Snapnames). I guess the winning bid was $938. (namejet failed)

 

[TexasDomainer]

KJJA.com aged domain
sold for $22 on namepros auction, a couple of minutes back

 

[Tim Schoon]

did anyone see what Ryff.com sold for at TDNAM yesterday? I wanted to bid but missed the auction..

 

[Semtex]

did anyone see what ryff.com sold for at tdnam yesterday? I wanted to bid but missed the auction..

$55

 

[Tim Schoon]

$55

ahh bargain.. I'd pay twice that lol

thanks!

 

[1john2004]

brax.com
$80.000
sedo home page

 

[tetrapak]

ahh bargain.. I'd pay twice that lol

thanks!

You can take my domain with one "f" for a "little" more

 

[MicroGuy]

KHBV.COM $111.00 - BIDO Today

 

[cmason]

KHBV.COM $111.00 - BIDO Today

And KSQM $28 on Bido. Might be a good place to sell some LLLL.com's!

 

[mibworld]

Wow! Great sale. Looks like the buyer (a pretty big company) had tried to win the name through WIPO and had failed, so they decided to buy it. Good for the seller!

brax.com
$80.000
sedo home page

 

[tetrapak]

Another strong day at NJ:

mdld $787
enbd $312
iagm $191

 

[TexasDomainer]

kruq.com is gonna end at $60 today on sedo =)