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It's now the .mobi debate boards.

I hope that this can clean itself up a bit to become more constructive and less pro vs anti.

In the meantime, I wish you the best and I'll check in from time to time.

Good luck and keep a balanced and sincere perspective.

Jeremy Padawer
 
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I wonder what the official word of the board on this type of crap is? Is it we don't believe in .mobi therefore we don't care if we lose those who post in the mobi forum? Because that is what is happening now.

I know it will be a business decision that mgmt will have to make. Do they make more money from the posters posting or from their own .com investments. I think that is what it will boil down to. Good old fashioned money.
 
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I haven't really been active for a while now.
A debate is something productive. What we have here are not debates; they are simply fights.
 
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At the end of the day..

DotMobi's success or failure will be independent of this thread or Namepros in general.
The market will dictate the end result...

So lets not kid ourselves, we already know the answers...

pc
 
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I'm sure any word, official or otherwise, will be very stern against allowing certain posters ... to continue to carry on with this type of unprofessional conduct and personal attacks: :alien:

movingconcierge said:
PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS! :yell:

Sickening, in my humble opinion. :'(

See you folks later in June! :music:
-Jeff B-)
 
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movingconcierge said:
I wonder what the official word of the board on this type of crap is? Is it we don't believe in .mobi therefore we don't care if we lose those who post in the mobi forum? Because that is what is happening now.

I know it will be a business decision that mgmt will have to make. Do they make more money from the posters posting or from their own .com investments. I think that is what it will boil down to. Good old fashioned money.

Nah. I really have never viewed NP that way... What it boils down to IMO, is do you side with the veteran haters or the "newbie" optimists (no offence intend in either case). I don't see what's wrong with both sides of the discussion, BUT, at the same time, I agree that putting stuff like "what happened to .mobi" in your sig is inviting trouble.
 
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We try too keep it clean and I will be talking with the other mods too see what we can do to increase the .mobi talk.

I'm sorry if I have let you down I tried too stop as much of the debate as possible.. However we need it..

- Steve
you have steve ...by allowing a small number of people to poison this forum ..

We're not asking to end the debate. We're simply asking that the repetitive, systematic, predictible statements that tend to hit every thread of substance be monitored and controlled.
how many times and in how many ways do we have to say what jeremy said ???

as far as you jeff, i don't give a $#@ if this gets me permanently ejected .....all you do is DRIP slander, rumor and innuendo drop by drop, post by post, you have'nt expressed a single original thought about mobi since i started reading these boards 6 months ago

at least labrocca, hasrob and dammitsam have a certain maniac quality about them and some original ideas

but you jeff, you're never really there are you .... you just sort of ...well ......show up and complain
 
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Jeff said:
..this exchange and sharing of ideas, thoughts, and opinions (sans the recent personal attacks and juvenile "vacuum" comments, of course) ... is exactly what the .MOBI extension needs...

I'm not going anywhere, so see you soon (or not). :)
-Jeff B-)
But Jeff..., if you look at your postings, you hop in 'every' thread, and always, post after post, say the exact same thing - 'You demand accountability from MTLD, say they are not doing enough, that 'Mr.Pinky' has let everyone down and is not doing enough, that MTLD is irresponsible or negligent for not visiting and sharing the 'scoop on mobi' with the NP mobi forum, or that every name needs development!' Why does it need to be repeated in every thread!! Most people got your opinion on these things in the first hundred posts they're noted in. But the last 4000+, is just over-over-kill!! It seems that instead of taking note of what others are pointing out, you seem to push back with it being 'open discussions, or debates'. As noted, everyone knows the falls and chances of mobi, but why??, does it need to be added into 'every thread'???

(...of course - 'peace')
 
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hawkeye said:
But Jeff..., if you look at your postings, you hop in 'every' thread, and always, post after post, say the exact same thing - 'You demand accountability from MTLD, say they are not doing enough, that 'Mr.Pinky' has let everyone down and is not doing enough, that MTLD is irresponisble or negligent for not visiting and sharing the 'scoop on mobi' with the NP mobi forum, or that every name needs development!' Why does it need to be repeated in every thread!! Most people got your opinion on these things in the first hundred posts they're noted in. But the last 4000+, is just over-over-kill!! It seems that instead of taking note of what others are pointing out, you seem to push back with it being 'open discussions, or debates'. As noted, everyone knows the falls and chances of mobi, but why??, does it need to be added into 'every thread'???

(...of course - 'peace')

On that count, I agree with Jeff. It goes both ways... If you want people to stop posting the downsides of .mobi, stop posting comments like "mtld is too busy to come to NP, mtld are working really hard on marketing and domainers aren't their first priority, etc". This is just aggravating the conflict further.

Let's just all agree that mtld broke a promise to come to NP and really screwed up royally on the RFP. End of discussion on that, no need for it to be repeated, explained, or debated further.
 
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hmmm, i could have sworn i posted in this thread already, must just be dejavu or a similar thread (threads)
 
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Reece said:
On that count, I agree with Jeff. It goes both ways... If you want people to stop posting the downsides of .mobi, stop posting comments like "mtld is too busy to come to NP, mtld are working really hard on marketing and domainers aren't their first priority, etc". This is just aggravating the conflict further.

Let's just all agree that mtld broke a promise to come to NP and really screwed up royally on the RFP. End of discussion on that, no need for it to be repeated, explained, or debated further.


Agreed.
However, I'll give it some thought while on vacation ... but if mTLD were to visit in the interim, I think a LOT of the speculation could be addressed and questions finally ANSWERED IMHO. :yell:

I will give some thought to some of the more balanced recommendations here, though ... truly. I appreciate your patience while we discuss - and continue to learn about - the .MOBI! :blink: :talk:

Have fun in the sun, friends! :music: :wave:
See you then.
-Jeff B-)
 
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Jeff said:
I'll give it some thought while on vacation ... but if mTLD were to visit in the interim, I think a LOT of the speculation could be addressed and questions finally ANSWERED IMHO. :yell:

I will give some thought to some of the more balanced recommendations here, though ... truly. :blink:
Have fun in the sun, friends! :music: :wave:

See you then.
-Jeff B-)

Agreed 100%.

Take Care Jeff. I hope all is well and your vacation is everything you expect it to be.
 
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Thanks nombre, your kind words for me volunteering my hours of time to monitor this forum as best I can are grateful and will always be appreciated.. =/

Time to start enforcing myself.. I have tried to reason with all you but no matter what I do I will not make somebody happy.

- Steve
 
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iNod said:
I'm sorry if I have let you down I tried too stop as much of the debate as possible.. However we need it..

- Steve
Rewind one year ago. Was there this type of hype over a new domain called .eu after the landrush?

There was a tremendous hype going into it, but not much coming out of it. I bought into the hype going into the landrush. It was called "salesmanship" on the part of others.

Nevertheless, Gerry had an account executive managing his portfolio at two different places. So Gerry had two account executives managing and advising him that the .eu extension was going to be huge.

Perhaps it could have been a successful extension. But it was so rift with fraud from the onset that it was destined to fail. Bogus registrars, front companies, piss poor management and monitoring and implementation at the EUrid was only part of the problem.

Fast forward to late summer 2006. ANOTHER new extension on the horizon. This one will be called .mobi. You gotta be shitting me, right? Like I am going to put in a few thousand dollars into another lame ass extension that no one wants, needs, serves no purpose, and is just another money making scheme?

In the meantime, I am keeping up with techology news, seeing something called Vcast, looking at what is on the horizon, reading and researching on my own, not listening to any account executives. They had their payday at my expense...I'm waiting on mine.

Fast forward to the Fall of 2006. Gerry, reluctantly joins the forums. I am told by a couple of associates that I need to get over my disdain of the forums and my vileness for the so called "experts" that are preaching the same BS from 1995-2000:

Only dot com
No numbers
No hyphens
Nothing more than seven letters
Only English words

Plus, I am told, it is a great place to sell domains. My independent research on technology and "novelty" continues. This is from many sources. But I find a source of new and updated information on the forums. There is some excitement and buzz over .mobi. Equally so over .us.

Fast forward to Spring-early Summer 2007. My independent research continues, there are major trends happening on a global scale and a global market. Consumers are more savvy, educated, demanding, and getting younger and younger. Mobile society, on the go, this product is far exceeding expections in growth. This is beginning to go mainstream, this is replacing that, this is getting smaller, this is more powerful.

Several thousand dollars later, one year later, I dumped 90% or more of the .eu domains.

I watched a sale go down on this forum. The seller had a BIN price and someone met the BIN. 30 minutes later a second BIN offer is made from another buyer. The seller decides to sell to second offer for the same BIN due to the fact that the second offer had been on the forum longer. The seller was new, the first buyer was new. The domain was an LLL.mobi. I don't recall the domain, I don't recall the seller, and I don't recall the second buyer. The first buyer was me.

THIS is the type of shit that kept me off the forums. Tainted sales, under handed dealings, and BS auctions and sales of shill bidding, bogus "I have an offer" BS, and so on.

That was my first attempt at buying a mobi. Why? It was going to work, it was not hype, it was legit, it was the future of a different and new kind of way to surf the net...mobile.

Steve, you did nothing wrong.

What I am reading today, the crap from the anti mobi crowds, is what was posted here in the spring and early summer of 2006. I read them as a "guest" as I kept off the forums.

So to those that are thinking of leaving, thanks for the help and educational experiences.

To those that are staying, thanks for the continued support for this endeavor.

To those that are still bashing...

I ripped apart your arguments one year ago before I joined the forums. If you can stand to continually be humiliated by offering the same arguments and hollow wishful thinking, I say bring it on.

You are the sitting ducks, your arguments are the sieve.
 
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Great post Gerry :)
 
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circa1850 said:
Rewind one year ago. Was there this type of hype over a new domain called .eu after the landrush?

There was a tremendous hype going into it, but not much coming out of it. I bought into the hype going into the landrush. It was called "salesmanship" on the part of others.

Nevertheless, Gerry had an account executive managing his portfolio at two different places. So Gerry had two account executives managing and advising him that the .eu extension was going to be huge.

Perhaps it could have been a successful extension. But it was so rift with fraud from the onset that it was destined to fail. Bogus registrars, front companies, piss poor management and monitoring and implementation at the EUrid was only part of the problem.

Fast forward to late summer 2006. ANOTHER new extension on the horizon. This one will be called .mobi. You gotta be shitting me, right? Like I am going to put in a few thousand dollars into another lame ass extension that no one wants, needs, serves no purpose, and is just another money making scheme?

In the meantime, I am keeping up with techology news, seeing something called Vcast, looking at what is on the horizon, reading and researching on my own, not listening to any account executives. They had their payday at my expense...I'm waiting on mine.

Fast forward to the Fall of 2006. Gerry, reluctantly joins the forums. I am told by a couple of associates that I need to get over my disdain of the forums and my vileness for the so called "experts" that are preaching the same BS from 1995-2000:

Only dot com
No numbers
No hyphens
Nothing more than seven letters
Only English words

Plus, I am told, it is a great place to sell domains. My independent research on technology and "novelty" continues. This is from many sources. But I find a source of new and updated information on the forums. There is some excitement and buzz over .mobi. Equally so over .us.

Fast forward to Spring-early Summer 2007. My independent research continues, there are major trends happening on a global scale and a global market. Consumers are more savvy, educated, demanding, and getting younger and younger. Mobile society, on the go, this product is far exceeding expections in growth. This is beginning to go mainstream, this is replacing that, this is getting smaller, this is more powerful.

Several thousand dollars later, one year later, I dumped 90% or more of the .eu domains.

I watched a sale go down on this forum. The seller had a BIN price and someone met the BIN. 30 minutes later a second BIN offer is made from another buyer. The seller decides to sell to second offer for the same BIN due to the fact that the second offer had been on the forum longer. The seller was new, the first buyer was new. The domain was an LLL.mobi. I don't recall the domain, I don't recall the seller, and I don't recall the second buyer. The first buyer was me.

THIS is the type of shit that kept me off the forums. Tainted sales, under handed dealings, and BS auctions and sales of shill bidding, bogus "I have an offer" BS, and so on.

That was my first attempt at buying a mobi. Why? It was going to work, it was not hype, it was legit, it was the future of a different and new kind of way to surf the net...mobile.

Steve, you did nothing wrong.

What I am reading today, the crap from the anti mobi crowds, is what was posted here in the spring and early summer of 2006. I read them as a "guest" as I kept off the forums.

So to those that are thinking of leaving, thanks for the help and educational experiences.

To those that are staying, thanks for the continued support for this endeavor.

To those that are still bashing...

I ripped apart your arguments one year ago before I joined the forums. If you can stand to continually be humiliated by offering the same arguments and hollow wishful thinking, I say bring it on.

You are the sitting ducks, your arguments are the sieve.

You've given several good points of why some people may hate .mobi. I won't lie -- I was more hyped about .eu when it first came out than I've ever been about .mobi... Granted I don't do business with Europe, nor do I reside there, I was fortunate enough to be kept out of the .eu landrush... If I had taken part in that landrush, without doubt, I'd hold similar skepticism towards .mobi.

What .eu taught me, was that even great ideas can fail if they're poorly managed, implemented, or executed. This has made me expect higher standards from mtld, because I DON'T WANT IT TO FAIL. I don't want to see another good extension go down the toilet due to incompetance, and I plan on holding a higher standard for mtld, so long as I am invested in their extension...
 
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Thanks nombre, your kind words for me volunteering my hours of time to monitor this forum as best I can are grateful and will always be appreciated.. =/
sarcasm noted and my apologies extended

i just wanted to get a few things off my chest before i left

i started out 6 month's ago enjoying the discussion and relishing the debate and disagreement

i thought i was being polite and well spoken but it seemed like small number of people were as i said earlier "poisoning the well" ... not advancing intelligent arguments which i like but just spewing invective or dripping inneuendo

and basically this just kept going despite various requests for more civil dialogue

we should have been given the respect of a more civil dialogue and moderation by namepros, that's all i want to say :)
 
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Three hundred fifty some mobi's later to add to my portfolio...everything you can imagine from Elvis.tw to gems that will remain unmentioned, I can still find and purchase what I think will work and fit and pan out and perhaps be an investment. Still only about 1/10 of my overall portfolio.

I will be accepting the transfer of a mobi tomorrow.

First, it needs a bath, then it is going to get a check up, then it goes to get neutered, then I can pick it up.

We all have dogs in our portfolios. We'll I'm here to tell you that this is one dog of a mobi...

"say hello to my leetle friend..."
 
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Anyone who has any suggestions from now on please PM me so I can discuss with the staff and admins about getting these "suggestions" put into play.

I would hope to end this discussion now and lets see if we can make a change in .mobi.

- Steve
 
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iNod said:
Anyone who has any suggestions from now on please PM me so I can discuss with the staff and admins about getting these "suggestions" put into play.

I would hope to end this discussion now and lets see if we can make a change in .mobi.

- Steve
Advice noted, thank you Steve.
 
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iNod said:
Anyone who has any suggestions from now on please PM me so I can discuss with the staff and admins about getting these "suggestions" put into play.

I would hope to end this discussion now and lets see if we can make a change in .mobi.

- Steve

I have suggested to Mark lately and it got a negative response...unfortunately

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