discuss .online domain names value

[sameh mohamed]

i just wonder about new domain name extension domain.online
is it worthy to own them or not as the good keyword domain already registered

 

[Kate]

Still, 6k is affordable to many business for a prime piece of Real Estate. Better to pay 6K
for Vintage.online that 775K for Vintage.com
You would still have a great keyword domain, same benefits with Google and still have 769K to use on the business for marketing purposes.

But people balk at paying $,$$$ for a good .com domain, do you really think they will be willing to pay that much for a string that is unknown and unproven. Exceptions will always happen, but with this kind of pricing new extensions are just not attractive.
Paying regfee for a new extension can be justified when the .com counterpart is for sale at a 4- or 5-figure price. Because there is major difference in price. But paying a premium price for a new extension isn't a good proposition, especially if it's going to carry a premium renewal fee too.

Vintageonline.com is for sale at 19K. That is three times as expensive as vintage.online but I am sure you can negotiate the price. The price gap between the .com and the .online is not huge.
Anyway, if you have 6K to spend you have plenty of choice, you can afford to be picky and find another great domain.

Maybe it is wiser to look to the future than the past.

What about the present ? Discarding the present and the past is a proven way to fail in the future.

Some domainers like to gloat about their bright future and the wise business decisions they are making, but in the present they are not making sales.
The future doesn't bring food to the table. You have to make sales today, not in some hypothetical future. The future of new extensions is a dream (and your nightmare soon ).

Anyone who thinks that Dot Com domain prices are not losing value rapidly. has their eyes shut. Sure, the top 10 percent will always fetch a premium but the rest will be of no or little value in the future.

Yet, if you analyze the reported sales (and I'm sure you all do) you can see for yourself which extensions do sell on the aftermarket, and where the demand is.
It's the end of dotcom but we are witnessing record sales of dotcom domains. Go figure.

 

[bluebox]

Am I the only one thinking astroturfers hired by registry should be using "representative of xxx" title?
I'm sure geoonlinedomains will say he doesn't work for Radix, but, come on...

I hope noobies don't get sucked into thinking that paying $xxxx (per year) for premium nGTLD is a good investment.

 

[doubleU]

Only inexperienced domainers would expect rapid sales of domains in a new TLD .... any rash judgements about domain sales in the first few weeks of a TLD launch are Rubbish !

 

[geoonlinedomains]

Nanox - another one who needs a reality check. As if a couple of hundred people who use these forums are going to make a difference to the registry. I am sure the 15k sold in Germany must be followers of domain pros and this forum, Right!

I was not talking about Vintage. That is just an example Radix are using in their advertising campaigns. Anyway, Vintage.online would still be better at 6k than Vintageonline.com at 19k or Vintage.com at 775k.

I do not think any one on here has mentioned that they would expect rapid sales of domains in this TLD or any other TLD.

It always amazes me how people who claim this extension is rubbish, hang around here all the time but have no interest.

Just look at the numbers, say what you will. You cant do anymore than smash the previous records! You keep flipping ridiculous .com names and I will keep my .online for a few years. We will see who comes out on top.

 

[Kate]

Seriously, it's just another extension... there are hundreds of those and many more soon.
What makes .online so special ? I don't get it personally but maybe I'm blind.
OK it's a popular keyword in domain names but so is .club or whatever.

I see you joined recently, so I am wondering if you have any experience selling domains. It's already hard enough to sell good .com.

I am sure you have a business plan.
So the question is: how long are you willing to wait to sell your names ? Do you have adequate funding to keep them and renew them ? What will you do in 5 or 10 years when there is no interest from end users ? Do you have an exit strategy ?

You say: we should not expect rapid sales.
I agree and I disagree.

1. We often notice that the biggest sales are made in the early days, when the TLD is freshly released, makes the headlines and there is excitement. The hype period is very short, then the TLD falls into oblivion. The stream of reported sales ultimately dries out completely. Plus, the big sales are usually made by the registry. Not by domainers.
This scenario has been verified time and again.
2. So my point is that extensions do not always appreciate over time. Often it is the opposite. Domainers buy domains and hope to resell them, but they realize later they are at the end of the food chain. There is no end user/buyer.

 

[geoonlinedomains]

I never said that there would be rapid sales in the aftermarket, only in the extension as it is the only decent extension to be released to date in my opinion and an excellent alternative to Dot Com.

The Registry cannot do any more than break the previous records which is a great start and it is also good to see the nice geographical spread by the purchasers. As I said, I will be surprised if they don't hit 100k by the end of the month and their 1 million target in 2 years looks reasonable to me.

Sure, Dot Club is a decent extension but that is niche.

So, how many domains would they need to sell before you would admit that maybe people are very interested in this extension? 1 million? 2 million?

Like anything in life, there are risks involved. Sure, it might not succeed in the end but that is up to individuals to decide. I have been waiting for a couple of years for this extension as I knew it would be very popular.

I am only interested in Dot Online, Dot, Web and Dot shop to a lesser extent.

I purchased plenty of .com names in the 90s and can only see the value declining rapidly in that market, except for the premium names.

Dot Online and Dot Web will be good alternatives for end users so the .com names that are 3rd, 4th...20th tier will not exist in the future IMO.

I have a buy and hold strategy, sell some along the way if I get the price that I desire. If not, just put them away and see how things unfold down the track. The 30 dollar re-registration fee is peanuts for me. I am glad that the re-registration fee is not like com. this attracts more quality names.

If Dot Com charged 30 dollars for re-registration, half on them would disappear overnight.

 

[Kate]

So, how many domains would they need to sell before you would admit that maybe people are very interested in this extension? 1 million? 2 million?

The figures alone don't tell the whole story.
.biz has 2 millions regs and it's not considered a good extension at all.
I think the best measure of success is the amount of development and advertising.
End users must advertize their URLs to ingrain them in the minds of consumers.

The 30 dollar re-registration fee is peanuts for me. I am glad that the re-registration fee is not like com. this attracts more quality names.

Quality names, you mean those that are not reserved by the registry :P
Obviously you cannot handreg vintage.online for $30 so I am wondering what kinds of names you are left with.

 

[muhammad jaafar]

I believe that the .online gTLD is easily the best extension released to date. They will have a good start over .web and a decent marketing budget. It was obvious that they would smash the domain name registration record and I was personally expecting 75000 plus in the first 24 hours. Hopefully they reach 100k.

I see tremendous future value in this domain extension. There were some excellent keyword domain names available for normal registration price. I pre-registered around 50 .online domain names around 2 years ago and I received around 30 today.

I personally see it as a far better investment to register keyword .online names than some ridiculous .com domain that makes no sense. Technology is constantly changing and .online is a winner.

I also bet my bottom dollar that in a year from now, .online will have the highest re-registration rate and plenty of news to come about this great extension.

Everything is done online these days including commerce, education, business, gambling, real estate, insurance ect.

For example, if you want to learn a language, it makes sense to type in LearnEnglish.online as it is clear
that the services being offered are "online services", not a traditional school.

If you are looking for an insurance quote, Insurance.online is the nuts.
I do everything online these days, including consumer shopping, pay bills, grocery shopping, gambling, banking, holidays, hotels, flights, all online.

Paying 10 bucks today for something like Vegashotels.online is a much better investment than xxxx for a .com with worse keywords or if you are into supplements, 10 bucks for Whey.online is better than xxxxx for the .com. There are 1000s of examples where .online really fits.

There were some excellent geo domains available like southkorea, perfect for an online magazine about South Korea for the price of a pizza. That would fetch xxxxxx in the .com space.

That's just my two cents. I purchased many .com names in the 90s but have been out of the game for years. Excited to be back.

.Com will be King for many years to come and may always be King but you are not a King is the word is ridiculous and makes no sense. The value of the .com market is in decline in my opinion. Yes, you will always see the big bucks for top, premium domains but the rest will suffer.

to claim that dotcom names available are ridiculous and senseless is surprising , if i could pick this domains last month then you are absolutely wrong, viz : hotellodges.com, motelslodging.com, forexpacket.com, forexbeam.com and golinkings.com this august 2015

 

[geoonlinedomains]

"to claim that dotcom names available are ridiculous and senseless is surprising , if i could pick this domains last month then you are absolutely wrong, viz : hotellodges.com, motelslodging.com, forexpacket.com, forexbeam.com and golinkings.com this august 2015"

Exactly my point! Good luck.

 

[ChubbyDfat]

Anyone who thinks that Dot Com domain prices are not losing value rapidly. has their eyes shut. Sure, the top 10 percent will always fetch a premium but the rest will be of no or little value in the future.

The prices of domains (as a whole) have been slipping over the years. This is more to do with disposable income (of businesses and people) circling the drain.
The total aggregate amount of spending income has dropped the world over in the last few years and this can be seen in the "velocity of money" drops among the populace. The value is still there... just less people have the extra disposable income to purchase them and on the flip side, more people are letting them go at lower prices because they need/want the extra liquidity.

With that said, there WILL come a time where we will hit an equilibrium among domain names and their extensions. It is NOT now however. There are many other things that need to take place first.

Nanox - another one who needs a reality check. As if a couple of hundred people who use these forums are going to make a difference to the registry. I am sure the 15k sold in Germany must be followers of domain pros and this forum, Right!

I could be wrong, but I remember reading somewhere that NAMEPROS boasts over 1 million registered users (could have been 1.5 million but something along those lines).
At any given time there are normally several hundred to a few thousand users online (if memory serves). These members are strewn about world wide as I have had conversations with some in different countries.

Namepros is the premier spot for domainers to congregate, from all walks of life, from all parts of the world, and from all different belief styles when it comes to domains.

Chances are that if 15k names where sold in Germany, a good many of those people visit Namepros at least on occasion.
Which leads me to my next point BUT before I get there, I would be remiss if I did not ask on where you get your stats from?

Granted I do not actively seek out information on .ONLINE but you seem to be tossing out numbers and stats and I am wondering where these numbers are coming from? Can you point me in the right direction so that I may do my due diligence?

Just look at the numbers, say what you will. You cant do anymore than smash the previous records! You keep flipping ridiculous .com names and I will keep my .online for a few years. We will see who comes out on top.

This is exactly where my problem lays with this extension. The numbers... I have no other problem with the extension out side of the numbers. They just do not add up!
It has already been shown and proven that different registries will go out on purposely manipulate the registration numbers to appear better then they are.

It is not something new that we "could" be looking at here. I raise my question(s) because of the fact that prior to the launch of .ONLINE, there was a lukewarm reception (at best) among the many domainers who frequent this place (numbers stated in response above) and after the launch... there where few domainers speaking of their registered names, which is ODD to say the least considering the "smashing" (as you put it) of records.

It has normally been the case that when something is popular, you can not get the domainers to keep quite about it.
"I picked up this name".... "I hand reged this name"....It is like a juvenile competition really on who can get the best names but that was not seen in this .ONLINE launch.
Yes there are a few people who picked up names and posted them here but that was AFTER .ONLINE made its press release about smashing records.
The same thing can be said about XYZ and its press release in regards to Google picking up a singular domain name from them. How many people went out and registered names after that news?

The numbers to not add up here. Looking at nTLDstats (dot) com, the same 7 Godaddy Group registrars have not moved and are still packed together (with 18 names separation between the top and the last one).

This rings of something running afoul.

I hope that makes sense from a logical point of view with no emotions attached to it.

Cheers

 

[geoonlinedomains]

You can find the stats by clicking on the link below my friend.
A total of 3200 people have viewed this thread with probably very many multiple views. Hardly accounting for 15k Germany folk purchasing .online 8)

Online becomes the fastest TLD to register 50000 domains.

A break down of the numbers below:

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20150902_online_becomes_the_fastest_tld_to_sell_50000_domains/

You say that prior to the extension being released, there was a lukewarm reception at best.
I agree, that makes the numbers even better. No hype, just pure interest.

The pre-register numbers where massive on .online, even 18 months ago, the numbers were big. Only Dot Web had more interest. I know pre-reg numbers don't mean too much but they still mean plenty of interest in the extension. People do not pre-reg just for something to do.

I still believe that many end users picked up names and will continue to pick up names
because it is a great alternative to Dot Com. Your conspiracy theory seems a little weird to me but it is your opinion, so all good.

Lets see how the numbers go for the rest of the month. I am calling 100k by months end.

 

[geoonlinedomains]

Or just incase you missed it:

People continue to register .online in droves:

http://domainnamewire.com/2015/09/02/online-is-fastest-to-50000-registrations/

 

[Kate]

I just ran a quick survey of the zone. Here the top 100 name servers:

   7978 ns-de.1and1-dns.org.
   7978 ns-de.1and1-dns.de.
   7978 ns-de.1and1-dns.com.
   7978 ns-de.1and1-dns.biz.
   4493 ns46.domaincontrol.com.
   4493 ns45.domaincontrol.com.
   3373 ns-us.1and1-dns.us.
   3373 ns-us.1and1-dns.org.
   3373 ns-us.1and1-dns.de.
   3373 ns-us.1and1-dns.com.
   2718 ns.udag.org.
   2718 ns.udag.net.
   2718 ns.udag.de.
   2351 ns-uk.1and1-dns.org.
   2351 ns-uk.1and1-dns.co.uk.
   2351 ns-uk.1and1-dns.com.
   2351 ns-uk.1and1-dns.biz.
   1871 ns1.sedoparking.com.
   1870 ns2.sedoparking.com.
   1202 dns5.registrar-servers.com.
   1202 dns4.registrar-servers.com.
   1202 dns3.registrar-servers.com.
   1202 dns2.registrar-servers.com.
   1202 dns1.registrar-servers.com.
   1112 ns3.hostnetbv.nl.
   1112 ns2.hostnetbv.com.
   1112 ns1.hostnet.nl.
   1052 ns-es.1and1-dns.org.
   1052 ns-es.1and1-dns.es.
   1052 ns-es.1and1-dns.com.
   1052 ns-es.1and1-dns.biz.
    847 ns2.myhostadmin.net.
    847 ns1.myhostadmin.net.
    843 ns56.domaincontrol.com.
    843 ns55.domaincontrol.com.
    614 sell.internettraffic.com.
    614 buy.internettraffic.com.
    592 ns2.nameserviceguide.net.
    592 ns1.nameserviceguide.net.
    563 ns-fr.1and1-dns.org.
    563 ns-fr.1and1-dns.fr.
    563 ns-fr.1and1-dns.com.
    563 ns-fr.1and1-dns.biz.
    555 ns4.whois.com.
    555 ns3.whois.com.
    531 ns2.whois.com.
    531 ns1.whois.com.
    503 ns6.myhostadmin.net.
    503 ns5.myhostadmin.net.
    491 ns4.myhostadmin.net.
    491 ns3.myhostadmin.net.
    456 ns2.smartunits.com.
    454 ns1.smartunits.com.
    448 ns02.cashparking.com.
    448 ns01.cashparking.com.
    378 c.dns.gandi.net.
    378 b.dns.gandi.net.
    378 a.dns.gandi.net.
    343 ns2.ezdnscenter.com.
    343 ns1.ezdnscenter.com.
    330 ns5.101domain.com.
    330 ns2.101domain.com.
    330 ns1.101domain.com.
    318 ns2.crazydomains.com.
    318 ns1.crazydomains.com.
    313 ns-it.1and1-dns.org.
    313 ns-it.1and1-dns.it.
    313 ns-it.1and1-dns.com.
    313 ns-it.1and1-dns.biz.
    308 ns06.domaincontrol.com.
    308 ns05.domaincontrol.com.
    303 ns1.regzone.info.
    303 ns1.regzone.de.
    303 ns1.regzone.cz.
    299 ns3.dodns.net.
    299 ns2.dodns.net.
    299 ns1.dodns.net.
    291 ns24.domaincontrol.com.
    291 ns23.domaincontrol.com.
    288 ns1hwy.name.com.
    277 ns3fgq.name.com.
    275 ns2fwz.name.com.
    260 ns4cgs.name.com.
    257 pdns06.domaincontrol.com.
    257 pdns05.domaincontrol.com.
    241 ns2.dynadot.com.
    241 ns1.dynadot.com.
    232 ns4fqz.name.com.
    231 park4.dccdns.com.
    231 park3.dccdns.com.
    231 park2.dccdns.com.
    231 park1.dccdns.com.
    229 ns3dkz.name.com.
    222 ns26.domaincontrol.com.
    222 ns25.domaincontrol.com.
    213 ns1fkl.name.com.
    211 ns3.argewebhosting.nl.
    190 ns2.metaregistrar.nl.
    190 ns1.metaregistrar.nl.
    188 ns2.parkingcrew.net.

Clearly a lot of German regs.

 

[ChubbyDfat]

I was looking at "1und1.de" (1 and 1) to see what they have going on.
*IF* I am reading this correctly... looks like they do a monthly payment system there????

Anyway, .ONLINE seems to be one of the least expensive extensions within that group.
The closest priced one is .FYI at .99 euro (I am guessing per months... as I read it)
Of course .ONLINE, also at .99 euro
MBA, MIAMI, MEN at 1.49 euro
AMSTERDAM, SKI at 2.49 euro
FANS, COLLEGE, RENT at 4.99 euro

There is a whole list of other ones which vary in price from .99 to 4.99.

I give ONLINE props for having the gumption to make their domains available as one of the least expensive (that I understand) in Germany.

+1 for advertising for they registry (at least in Germany).

Cheers

 

[geoonlinedomains]

Once again, WRONG!

1 and 1 de are selling .online for 11.88 Euros. They just advertise at .99 per month (they advertise all domains like this including Dot Com) but the total cost is 11.88 Euros per domain payable up front, there is no monthly payment plan. That is a little over 13 US dollars per domain. The cheapest they have ever sold them for is 9.99 Euros plus tax.

Actually, Dot Online is one of the most expensive. Twice the price of Dot Com.

Dot Websites. are 5.28 Euros or 44.cents per month and Dot Com are 5.88 Euros or 49 cents and .de are 3.48 Euros or 29 cents.

Nice try my friend, but you will have to try and find another way to put Dot online down.

I have a few websites hosted at 1 and 1 de. If you need any help. let me know as I speak fluent German and lived in Munich for over 10 years in the past. Happy to help if you are unsure.
.

 

[ChubbyDfat]

Nice try my friend, but you will have to try and find another way to put Dot online down.

I was not trying to put anything down. I gave them props for coming in low (as compared to all the names I saw on the page... which I listed).

Take a moment and re-read what I wrote.

I will reiterate this again, I am NOT in no fashion anti nTLDs or any singular extension. I welcome the new extensions as long as they remain truthful.
I QUESTION things that seem out of place (which some of the things here do).

I do not inherently trust information that I am given as being Carte Blanche truth especially if something does not ring as "full" truth.

Anyway, point being... I give .ONLINE props for marketing well in Germany (as I stated above).

Just chill... my hit squad is not out to get you... (YET! ... Just kidding... Or am I?) LOL

I still have my doubts but this seems (on face value) to be good information for the extension.

Cheers

 

[sandeep52]

i know .com and i think no other domains extension will compete with it
but .online is so attractive you think that

I also take risk on Music.Equipment & Russia.Florist
What do you think??
does it have some worth ??

 

[1NiteStand]

This is .online discussion... stay on topic please.

 

[Jen-Sin]

Seems like the hype is over... pretty fast.

 

[SirDrago]

Seems like the hype is over... pretty fast.

Not interested in Chinese premium LLLL in .Online?

Kidding of course.