New gTLD investor Demographics

[atinc]

When it comes to the renewal time I keep my new gTLDs and drop most of my .com domains.

I think new gTLDs are under estimated as of today and will keep grow in value in time.

Most of the new gTLD bashers are middle aged or just old as I observed on namePros and I understand why they hate new gTLDs so much because it effects their .com aftermarket sales while there are super generics available with new gTLDs.

I am curious about the demographics of new gTLD investors.

I am 28 years old and I think young people will determine how the new internet will be shaped.

This thread is exclusive for only new gTLD investors to prevent bashers to speculate on the results.

Please go ahead and participate the poll to see the average age of new gTLD investors.

 

[cooljub]

Most of the new gTLD bashers are middle aged or just old .. I am 28 years old

How old will you be when you get that big sale?
You could get a gold-plated Zimmer frame and really live it up

 

[atinc]

How old will you be when you get that big sale?
You could get a gold-plated Zimmer frame and really live it up

Is there any one who can tell when they will have a sale, not even mentioning a good sale, just a sale?

How old will you be when you start asking reasonable questions?

Nice profile picture

 

[cooljub]

Joking apart @atinc , what I asked was a reasonable question. It might be ten or twenty years of renewals before new gTLDs start seeing decent returns for investors, if at all. Don't get me wrong, I think some work really well on many levels, but the early "new" gTLDs are over 15 years old now and still haven't caught on in any significant numbers.

Nice profile picture

Thanks for the compliment - not my best side but a nice pic

 

[atinc]

Joking apart @atinc , what I asked was a reasonable question. It might be ten or twenty years of renewals before new gTLDs start seeing decent returns for investors, if at all. Don't get me wrong, I think some work really well on many levels, but the early "new" gTLDs are over 15 years old now and still haven't caught on in any significant numbers.
Thanks for the compliment - not my best side but a nice pic

There is no early "new" gtlds.

I guess you are talking about .mobi and .biz right? Those are not really new gTLDs and personally I don`t like these extensions.

 

[Dmytros]

I am 25 but there is no such age. There is smart domainers and not too smart domainers, that's all. New gTLD have much potential, market speaks for itself. When you open any registrant, they offers you mostly gTLD. There is no sense to pay thousands for aftermarket bullshit name when you have pure generic gTLD available. People choose usability.

 

[JB Lions]

I am 25 but there is no such age. There is smart domainers and not too smart domainers, that's all. New gTLD have much potential, market speaks for itself. When you open any registrant, they offers you mostly gTLD. There is no sense to pay thousands for aftermarket bullsh*t name when you have pure generic gTLD available. People choose usability.

The delusion among new gtld investors. Your post made no sense. The obvious ones aren't available to end users at a good price. So it being available is a lie. Either the registry has them or people hold out for xx,xxx like atinc does.

"Most important to take away from this data is that the new domain name extensions have failed miserably in getting any traction among funded startups. Even an exotic ccTLD such as .Ai got more market share among startups than all the hundreds of new GTLDs combined."

https://www.namepros.com/blog/domai...rnatives-to-com-in-2017.1042486/#post-6366585

.ai getting more than hundreds of new gtlds combined. Really think about that, let that set in.

ai > hundreds of new gtlds combined.

 

[BaileyUK]

I don't like to see any thread get personal in its comments But I do agree. New domain extension investors need to be wary and indeed learn from the likes of .biz.info.mobi.pro etc These all had good interest at their launch but very few have stayed the test of time. For anyone to say they don't like the comparison to the hundreds of newest extensions, is missing a check on reality. None of us can dictate where the market is going but the older generation do know where its been. The facts are that most businesses would rather operate on a longer but relevant dotcom or a Country code domain than take a chance with a domain extension that just doesn't have that established connection. Will the market ever change ? I personally doubt it, as I've stated I don't think its got anything to do with age just experience and history. the fact that the domain market overall is less buoyant is indeed mostly due to the new domain money going into these new extensions but that doesn't mean it's going into new business start-ups, just stacked-up inventory. and may I add people can indeed talk about holding-out for 10 or more years probably fine if your into a Roulette wheel gamble of say 20 to 40,000 dollars as a minimum,

personally I do like some of the Very Very clever hacks - and I think they will always have a market. please don't connect that to some of the totally ludicrous stuff that just appeals to the registrant because it looks good

 

[lock]

Is it a guess? Or a survey? As a guess would say younger people. I am 45 and will buy exact type in gTLD's. Logic is older people were around to buy better dot coms.

 

[atinc]

Is it a guess? Or a survey? As a guess would say younger people. I am 45 and will buy exact type in gTLD's. Logic is older people were around to buy better dot coms.

No it is a survey.

 

[BaileyUK]

thanks for that reminder, so even though I'm 60, I have just voted at the lowest end. but, my gut-feel it really is anybody at any age with no real domain history behind them. I'm sorry to be so negative but its difficult to conclude otherwise

 

[slader23]

I am not sure what is the purpose of this poll.
It should come as no surprise that nTLD investors are less experienced with domain names on average. Those who have some experience (possibly being burnt in the past) are usually more restrained toward new extensions.

But it's not really a question of age. Some people may discover domaining after they retired. NP has members from all walks of life.
If you are trying to suggest that the young generation is more open to new extensions - I don't believe it at all. One good reason is that they have grown up surrounded with .com and ccTLDs. These are the TLDs that are ingrained in the minds of consumers.

As to the claim that "young people will determine how the new internet will be shaped". I have a more nuanced opinion. Consumers (whether young or aged) don't shape the Internet, it is the entrepreneurs who will, based on the expectations of the public. Consumers provide feedback but usually don't have a direct influence on things.

Even the startups seem to prefer established extensions, or sometimes they go with ccTLDs such .io or .ai or whatever (depending on the fad of the moment), domain hacks, brandable names, 'creative' domains. New extensions are not a popular/obvious choice, even for startups. Consumers have spoken already.

PS: I didn't vote in the poll since I am not a 'gTLD investor'. My age doesn't matter anyway.

How can you discern that ntld investors are less experienced with domain names on average? What evidence can you provide to support that argument?

 

[BaileyUK]

Wow that's asking for bite post slader23. It's 3.30 in the morning here in the UK, so i'll save myself till tomorrow.

ps simple language of posts should give you an inkling. but hey, we'll share the real secrets tomorrow

 

[slader23]

Wow that's asking for bite post slader23. It's 3.30 in the morning here in the UK, so i'll save myself till tomorrow.

ps simple language of posts should give you an inkling. but hey, we'll share the real secrets tomorrow

I was just asking a question, if you're going to go out and say that one group has more experience and knows more than the other group then you better have some damn evidence to support it. At the same time I don't necessarily disagree with her initial statement, I will say however, that at one point everyone and their grandma knew how to use a Nokia phone but due to the advent of technological innovation and the stagnation of Nokia as a cellular phone company as whole, everyone had to re-adapt and spend time to learn about what would soon be the new normal (IOS and Android) and I strongly believe that is what is happening today but more generally in the middle price range of two word .com's that have ngtld alternatives.

Many investors are too focused on what's happening TODAY and not what will happen TOMORROW. For example, in 2016, how many domainers would have thought a domain like shop.link or live.bingo, could go for more than low x,xxx? Apart from the usual suspects in the ngtld crowd, most would be against the idea of them even selling for $1500 bucks, but that's the difference between actual expertise in a niche and those who rely on dissimilar knowledge to speculate. Both those names btw have sold for greater than $6000 USD, with Shop.Link taking the cake and selling for $25k. Shop link isn't even a major ngtld hack in terms of statistics with only 1000 monthly searches and a cpc of 15 cents, but there are businesses that use the phrase and functionally I don't think you can get much better than that combination. Shoplink.com....remains parked and for sale.

In fact I implore everyone to look at the ICO markets as an example...how many ICO's do you see using a new gtld as their main client facing domain name? I bet everyone would automatically think none...but when you look...you will be completely shocked to find that a lot of blockchain startups use new gtlds. It's time to get out of the echo chamber and seriously learn, read, research and analyze for yourselves.

 

[BaileyUK]

slater23 I acknowledge your heart-felt posting. But it is just that 'Heart felt' I honestly wish you were right. It would make the whole domain ball-game so much more interesting. (and open opportunities) But like I said tomorrow I will take the time to put logic down on paper. I hope my efforts won't be judged as bias - just a simple understanding of the domain market - it wouldn't phase me at-all if I was wrong but I know I'm not

 

[JB Lions]

How can you discern that ntld investors are less experienced with domain names on average? What evidence can you provide to support that argument?

It's no secret some of the top new gltd fans are new to the industry. If you're new, you're obviously going to have less experience. Some literally have sold 0 domains in their life, some posting in this thread.

Then this ridiculous argument again - "advent of technological innovation" New extensions aren't technological innovation, they're just new extensions.

You do the typical pick a random sale here and there to try to make some argument when startups are using .ai more than new gtlds combined. Overall numbers down, half are China regs etc. Same points brought up again and again.

New gTLD investor Demographics

If you did a better poll and asked how long they've been domaining, some of the biggest new gtld investors would be newer to the industry.

 

[BaileyUK]

As slader23 asks - If you did a better poll and asked how long they've been domaining, some of the biggest new gtld investors would be newer to the industry.

Yep that is what I would and have discerned as the only really relevant poll, age of investor is irrelevant, but easy to identify youngsters (Newbies in ol'school talk) on the forums - just by their self promoting talk - A good domain sells itself

 

[slader23]

As slader23 asks - If you did a better poll and asked how long they've been domaining, some of the biggest new gtld investors would be newer to the industry.

Yep that is what I would and have discerned as the only really relevant poll, age of investor is irrelevant, but easy to identify youngsters (Newbies in ol'school talk) on the forums - just by their self promoting talk - A good domain sells itself

At this point you're just speculating. Make a poll, like this one and find out, I'm open to all possible conculusions because I don't see this as black and white, I own way more .com's in comparison to new g's of which I hold less than 10 and I'm trying to purchase only the best word.word hacks to either resell or hold for the next several years. Easy to identify etc etc...remember...it's the "youngsters" that are the ones innovating obsolete technologies. The past definitely helps the future, but you have to understand that at some point, the past becomes irrelevant. The internet stops for no one, you can either keep talking and debating about "oldies" vs "newbies" or adapt to the change and take advantage of the future. Too much time is spent on having pissing contests about who is more experienced and senior and which faction is better than the other, obviously if you've spent more time in your adult years researching, buying and selling .com's you are going to be more experienced but that does not equate to being knowledgeable about new g's because the strategies and preferences of both domainers and end users in that niche are very different. Is that stopping these sales from happening? No. Will that stop them happening in greater quantity? No. So why the sour grapes?

 

[cooljub]

Probably not going quite the way you envisaged it @atinc , but a good learning thread.

These new gTLDs certainly stir up debate!

 

[atinc]

thanks for that reminder, so even though I'm 60, I have just voted at the lowest end. but, my gut-feel it really is anybody at any age with no real domain history behind them.

Do you own any new gTLDs? Reminder below;

This thread/poll is exclusive for only new gTLD investors to prevent bashers to speculate on the results.

Some literally have sold 0 domains in their life, some posting in this thread.

Some people got no time to sell low-quality names for "$xx & $xxx" still I appreciate their afford and their sales.

Also, domainers who sell in regular basis are often not selling for "$xxxx & $xxxxx" or even for more...

Every investor has a different agenda, some invest in new gTLDs for using/developing them and some sees them as a long-term investment.

Since the internet usage is growing in numbers there will be more demand on domains including new gTLDs.

I receive offers on my new gTLDs and I refuse to sell them today cause I don`t need that money now and I know their price will go up and up, I can see that from the offers I receive and I am sure because millions of new businesses establishing in world by those young entrepreneurs and businessmen and women.

I find it very absurd when people calling them self as experienced domainer while they do not invest on new gTLDs and making claims about new gTLDs.

I know most of you appreciate exact match new gTLDs from our previous discussions, but you say the renewals are so high. I can see that from your post below.

The obvious ones aren't available to end users at a good price. So it being available is a lie. Either the registry has them or people hold out for xx,xxx like atinc does.

Quality comes with a price tag. Yet your assumption about my new gTLD portfolio is wrong. My renewals for my exact match new gTLDs are less than $xx,xxx. My highest renewal is around $150 which is no big deal.

Now, this is the art of hard research but you wouldn`t know it since your approach to new gTLDs is just "PREJUDICE".

You got no experience with them or what so ever.

I also use new gTLDs for one of my businesses. And the fact is I am really satisfied with its performance on internet.

People claiming that new gTLDs have no SEO advantage yet when I type an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) number on Google which is in my inventory, our new gTLD website shows on the first page, and that happened in less than 6 months. (If you are interested please search the following product number, the new gTLD site you will see on the first page belongs to me, it is also listed first on the first page of Google). → 0445110642

My intention for creating this post was to receive some marketing data about new gTLDs, but as it always happens, bashers making this personal and asking out of topic questions.
I got used to that now.

There is another misconception about new gTLD investors.
We are not new gTLD missionaries most of us also own .com domains in our portfolio.

Thanks to all who contributed the poll, looking for more participation by new gTLD investors.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Most .nTLDs are English words...
And most Tier1 English keywords are Premiums for enduser fee or so... and very often - yearly...
That's why most domainers prefer traditional TLDs where risks/costs are significantly lower and returns are significantly higher...
Demographics doesn't matter here at all.