discuss Joe Biden - NOW USA President

[Shojib]

Joe Biden - 284
Donald Trump - 214

Congratulations on victory.

 

[bmugford]

It is amazing how many people are deep state now. You have William Barr, Kavanaugh, Barrett, Gorsuch, Thomas, Alito, Roberts, endless other GOP judges, Brian Kemp and the entire rest of the Georgia GOP state leadership, Doug Ducey, Chris Christie, and thousands more at every level of the government and private sector on all sides.

Or....

Trump...Is...Just...Lying.

Brad

 

[Cannuck]

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump leaves the country, for Melania's home country of Slovenia, or to South/Latin America. Like a Snagglepuss, he'll take the money and run, exit stage left...

I posted this in the other political thread almost a year ago...doesn't seem like an impostrous improbability now, lol.

 

[Daniel Owens]

Yeah, and if Trump loses again we can go best 3 of 5, then 4 of 7.

Trump lost. The presidential election was not close. The fact that you can't deal with that is not my problem.

I am sorry this is not how democracy works. I could not imagine hitching my wagon to such a loser as Donald Trump. The guy has been a piece of shit fake strongman his entire life.

He has abused other people and the legal system his entire life.

Rudy Giuliani said in a Michigan "hearing" that Smartmatic had a meeting with Huge Chavez 2 years ago. He died in 2013. It is nothing but endless bullshit and lies.

They have been lucky they have not faced sanctions for their complete abuse of the legal system. The outcomes of these cases are predictable as they don't have the facts or law on their side.

I am not sure if that was the "hearing" with the Melissa Carone nutjob, and the "All Asians look a like", and the Rudy farting one. All the fake hearings blend together.

Occam's razor which is more likely...

There is a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people at all levels of government, in both parties that was so well executed there is no evidence that GOP judges in court will accept.

Or Trump is just lying. Tough call.

Now you have Trump basically going to war with the GOP. You love to see it.

Brad

Trump is 100x better than Obama was. Time will tell if Biden is a third term of Obama. Chances are if the economy is bad he will blame it on someone else but if its good biden will take all the credit. One thing that’s likely to happen is more money giveaways and less rewards for hard work in USA. Illegal immigration will be more common under Biden.

 

[Daniel Owens]

The big difference between a Democrat president and republican president is the republican takes responsibility but the Democrat blames others. Obama blamed Bush for four years rather than taking responsibility for the fact that in 2012 unemployment was higher than when Obama took office in 2009

 

[.X.]

It is amazing how many people are deep state now. You have William Barr, Kavanaugh, Barrett, Gorsuch, Thomas, Alito, Roberts, endless other GOP judges, Brian Kemp and the entire rest of the Georgia GOP state leadership, Doug Ducey, Chris Christie, and thousands more at every level of the government and private sector on all sides.

Or....

Trump...Is...Just...Lying.

Brad

the deep state is full , I think it may have come down to...either join or be done with their career

 

[Daniel Owens]

Drain the swamp Pence 2024!

 

[bmugford]

The big difference between a Democrat president and republican president is the republican takes responsibility but the Democrat blames others.

'I don't take responsibility at all': Trump deflects blame for coronavirus testing fumble

www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/13/trump-coronavirus-testing-128971

 

[Daniel Owens]

'I don't take responsibility at all': Trump deflects blame for coronavirus testing fumble

www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/13/trump-coronavirus-testing-128971

Fake News!!!

 

[bmugford]

Fake News!!!

He literally said it. News is not fake just because you don't believe it.

Here you go Bud...

Brad

 

[bmugford]

Obama blamed Bush for four years rather than taking responsibility for the fact that in 2012 unemployment was higher than when Obama took office in 2009

Obama was handed the steering wheel of an economy headed off a cliff in 2009, and despite that there was massive total gains in both jobs and the stock market in his term.

He even slightly added jobs in the first term...

U.S. president Party Term years Start jobs End jobs Created Pct Chg Ave annual increase
Barack Obama D 2009–2013 134,055 135,263 + 1,208 +0.90% +0.22%
Barack Obama D 2013–2017 135,263 145,627 + 10,364 +7.66% +1.86%

Trump is the only modern president to finish his stint in office with job losses. Too bad he didn't handle the pandemic better.

Don't worry though, Biden might experience maybe record job growth.

Oh, and this...

When President Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) continued its credit crisis slump and fell to 7,949.09

The Dow closed at 19,827.25 on Inauguration Day, Jan. 20, 2017

Great president or Best president ever?

 

[Daniel Owens]

Obama was handed the steering wheel of an economy headed off a cliff in 2009, and despite that there was massive total gains in both jobs and the stock market in his term.

He even slightly added jobs in the first term...

U.S. president Party Term years Start jobs End jobs Created Pct Chg Ave annual increase
Barack Obama D 2009–2013 134,055 135,263 + 1,208 +0.90% +0.22%
Barack Obama D 2013–2017 135,263 145,627 + 10,364 +7.66% +1.86%

Trump is the only modern president to finish his stint in office with job losses. Too bad he didn't handle the pandemic better.

Don't worry though, Biden might experience maybe record job growth.

Oh, and this...

When President Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) continued its credit crisis slump and fell to 7,949.09

The Dow closed at 19,827.25 on Inauguration Day, Jan. 20, 2017

Great president or Best president ever?

So many people lost jobs Obama’s first term that media was calling it a jobless recovery. If no new jobs not the best recovery even if stock market hangs on by a thread

 

[bmugford]

So many people lost jobs Obama’s first term that media was calling it a jobless recovery. If no new jobs not the best recovery even if stock market hangs on by a thread

The jobs did go down to start with, the chart shows that. By the end of his first term there was a slight net gain in jobs though. You are just wrong.

In his second term the job growth and stock market went up massively.

Brad

 

[Daniel Owens]

The jobs did go down to start with, the chart shows that. By the end of his first term there was a slight net gain in jobs though. You are just wrong.

In his second term the job growth and stock market went up massively.

Brad

In A second term the job growth and stock market would happen under Trump, Obama made things worse. But you and others got there wish and in a way I’m happy for you that you will enjoy a Biden presidency as most are unhappy with the fraud commited to get Biden in office. In a upset Trump had beat Clinton and the dems had to rig the system via voting fraud to win in 2020 since they tried to impeach him and that didn’t work so thet stole an election. Fact Trump was up 690,000 votes in PA on election night then magically lost the state days later, the question would be whether we should count the illegal votes that took place later to make him lose. Dems have a habbit of rigging elections in there favor via fraud which was why Hillary was shocked to lose. 2016 was an election performed mostly on election day and Trump won, 2020 was a 5 day election with mass fraud and Trump lost. Why not go back to voting on election day?

 

[Cannuck]

The big difference between a Democrat president and republican president is the republican takes responsibility but the Democrat blames others. Obama blamed Bush for four years rather than taking responsibility for the fact that in 2012 unemployment was higher than when Obama took office in 2009

You've got your facts all mixed up. Bush was responsible for the economical disaster when Obama took office. Did he own up? Trump has taken no responsibility for the current disaster, instead he blames others.

When Obama assumed office in 2009 the economy was in the throes of the worst recession since the great depression. America was facing a massive crisis because of widespread failures in the financial system and a collapse in home prices. The economy was shrinking, and layoffs were rampant. Banks and other financial intermediaries facing insolvency were propped up by massive infusions of liquidity from the Federal Reserve Bank (the Fed). Main Street was bailing out Wall Street, much to the chagrin of the citizenry who had lost trust and confidence in the government.

The jobless rate steadily declined from 10 percent in 2010 to 4.7 percent, when Obama left office in January 2017, although as the chart attests, there were a few minor hiccups along the way.

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/20...er-trump-and-obama-tells-quite-a-tale-column/

 

[.X.]

You've got your facts all mixed up. Bush was responsible for the economical disaster when Obama took office. Did he own up? Trump has taken no responsibility for the current disaster, instead he blames others.



When Obama assumed office in 2009 the economy was in the throes of the worst recession since the great depression. America was facing a massive crisis because of widespread failures in the financial system and a collapse in home prices. The economy was shrinking, and layoffs were rampant. Banks and other financial intermediaries facing insolvency were propped up by massive infusions of liquidity from the Federal Reserve Bank (the Fed). Main Street was bailing out Wall Street, much to the chagrin of the citizenry who had lost trust and confidence in the government.

The jobless rate steadily declined from 10 percent in 2010 to 4.7 percent, when Obama left office in January 2017, although as the chart attests, there were a few minor hiccups along the way.

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/20...er-trump-and-obama-tells-quite-a-tale-column/

I think Obama lined up where I think our government is going ..... Socialism or whatever it might end up being ...

 

[Daniel Owens]

You've got your facts all mixed up. Bush was responsible for the economical disaster when Obama took office. Did he own up? Trump has taken no responsibility for the current disaster, instead he blames others.

When Obama assumed office in 2009 the economy was in the throes of the worst recession since the great depression. America was facing a massive crisis because of widespread failures in the financial system and a collapse in home prices. The economy was shrinking, and layoffs were rampant. Banks and other financial intermediaries facing insolvency were propped up by massive infusions of liquidity from the Federal Reserve Bank (the Fed). Main Street was bailing out Wall Street, much to the chagrin of the citizenry who had lost trust and confidence in the government.

The jobless rate steadily declined from 10 percent in 2010 to 4.7 percent, when Obama left office in January 2017, although as the chart attests, there were a few minor hiccups along the way.

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/20...er-trump-and-obama-tells-quite-a-tale-column/

Good luck with Socialism and bigger government.

 

[Cannuck]

Good luck with Socialism and bigger government.

Bigger doesn't always mean better, especially not for the world. In terms of the largest economies in scale, no doubt the US and China are in the lead, but in terms of stability and sustainability, Switzerland, Sweden, Australia, Finland and even Canada rank higher than the US. Some of these countries have more socialism than others - having free medicare and dental, free childcare and free education through university. China on the other hand ranks low, around 50th, which proves my point, the world and the environment cannot afford to continue unchecked growth. Don't think that China is a socialist country, nor is it communist (though they claim to be). They would not even for a second consider sending $3K worth of social Stimulus cheques to their entire population.

 

[Cannuck]

I think Obama lined up where I think our government is going ..... Socialism or whatever it might end up being ...

Yup, when the gap between rich and poor grows, middle class shrinks and extreme poverty on the rise, trickle down economics doesn't seem to fit the bill. Blame the circumstances on poor fiscal balances and corruption at all levels, in both parties in power. How is the US possibly going to maintain foreign debt at current levels and increasing? Spend more on military, ok, recruit every unemployed person, maybe a future under military rule would be preferable to freedom under a social democratic government.

 

[Daniel Owens]

Yup, when the gap between rich and poor grows, middle class shrinks and extreme poverty on the rise, trickle down economics doesn't seem to fit the bill. Blame the circumstances on poor fiscal balances and corruption at all levels, in both parties in power. How is the US possibly going to maintain foreign debt at current levels and increasing? Spend more on military, ok, recruit every unemployed person, maybe a future under military rule would be preferable to freedom under a social democratic government.

Yes, or no to defunding police?

 

[JB Lions]

Electoral College elects Joe Biden President.

That does it, California vote is in. Puts Mighty Joe Biden over the top.

 

[Daniel Owens]

Electoral College elects Joe Biden President.

That does it, California vote is in. Puts Mighty Joe Biden over the top.

Congrats, to President-Elect Joe Biden on his fraud win. He pulled off a huge illegal voting in a rigged system and Biden got away with it! Congrats, to the illegitimate president-elect biden.

 

[JB Lions]

Congrats, to President-Elect Joe Biden on his fraud win. He pulled off a huge illegal voting in a rigged system and Biden got away with it! Congrats, to the illegitimate president-elect biden.

Mighty Joe won even with all the cheating Trump tried to do. It worked last election but not this time

yeahhhhhh

 

[Daniel Owens]

Mighty Joe won even with all the cheating Trump tried to do. It worked last election but not this time

yeahhhhhh

Illegally votes were overwhelmingly for Joe Biden and Trump had a legit case to fight this but lost the cases, how in the world could you say or think Trump cheated or even tried too? Is wanting only legal votes counted cheating?

 

[Daniel Owens]

Mighty Joe won even with all the cheating Trump tried to do. It worked last election but not this time

yeahhhhhh

Trump did not cheat in 2016, Clinton did but still lost (Hillary didn't cheat by enough). The establishment rigs elections for democrats and republicans never have a fighting chance against fraud.

 

[JB Lions]

Trump did not cheat in 2016, Clinton did but still lost (Hillary didn't cheat by enough). The establishment rigs elections for democrats and republicans never have a fighting chance against fraud.