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Started a series called Brandable Daily Sales Analysis and would like to share some useful discoveries.
Lets now dive in.

First would be Fitalytics (dot) com

Note the following.

Registration Date: 2010-06-02

Month of Sale: 2016-05

Domain Length: 10 Characters

Domain History:
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As you can see the current nameserver from the image suggests that the domain was recently added to brandbucket marketplace. Also that the domain was first registered back in 2008 although the current registration date is 2010-06-02 We can also see that it’s very likely that the domain has changed hands prior its sale on brandbucket.

Other Extensions : 1 other extensions has been taken

Google Popularity: On Google first page results it has 9 similar mentions excluding where domain is brandbucket. The most interesting part is that the name “Fitalytic” was mentioned on CrunchBase. We can conclude that it’s Google Popularity is strong.

Social Handles: It’sTwitter has been taking since 2012. The Facebook handle has also been taken.

Dictionary Keywords: Fit, and Italy.

Brandbucket Sold Keyword: Aly Example of sold domain that contain such keyword dailydealy.com .

Other Keywords: Taly, Alytic, Aly

Similar End User Domain currently in use: talytics.com This simply suggests some trends from the word Alytic.

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Next target is namerific or novanym still contemplating which is more juicer.
FWIW I think Novanym are branding specialists, and watching their inventory would be much more fruitful than watching Namerific. I think they put quite a lot of work into their names.

As a former seller on Namerific, I know that my names didn't move at all there after the change in ownership a couple of years ago. Not sure there's much to be gained watching them.
 
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Regarding the low prices and such,...
Earlier this year, I handregged a nice 6L name . The name was sure fit for BB. I tried to submit to them but the system kept saying name already exists. I emailed them and I was told it was a previoualy accepted name (2009) and the owner never published. They moved the name to my account and it had 595 $ price.

I again I emailed telling them this price is absurd. They told me not to worry and wait for new evaluation as back then names were priced 595 , 795 etc but since then the market has come a long way.


They changed the price to one of their normal prices.

So these names are old which they are yet to re-evaluate based on current market prices.
 
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Regarding the low prices and such,...
Earlier this year, I handregged a nice 6L name . The name was sure fit for BB. I tried to submit to them but the system kept saying name already exists. I emailed them and I was told it was a previoualy accepted name (2009) and the owner never published. They moved the name to my account and it had 595 $ price.

I again I emailed telling them this peice is absurd. They told me not to worry and wait for new evaluation as back then names were prices 595 , 795 etc but since then the market has come a long way.


They changed the price to one of their normal prices.

So these names are ild which thwy are yet to evaluate.

Thank you for this detailed explanation o wondered why they was such low prices
 
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I'm asking this because I did not have the time to do the research.

Have the sales fallen off the cliff compared to last year?

I know that BB is going back to 'quality' over quantity; hence the reject rates are higher these days. The 'quantity' approach (of buying lower end names) didn't really work well for them over the past year. .

Maybe with higher quality there'll be more sales. Someone did make the point that good names seem to be drowning in the midst of low quality names.

Sorry if this isn't coherent, I'm in the midst of a lot of stuff.
I was only referring to this month. As of yesterday when I checked they had only 46 sales in 20 days. That's really off pace of what we normally see there.
 
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Regarding the low prices and such,...
Earlier this year, I handregged a nice 6L name . The name was sure fit for BB. I tried to submit to them but the system kept saying name already exists. I emailed them and I was told it was a previoualy accepted name (2009) and the owner never published. They moved the name to my account and it had 595 $ price.

I again I emailed telling them this price is absurd. They told me not to worry and wait for new evaluation as back then names were priced 595 , 795 etc but since then the market has come a long way.


They changed the price to one of their normal prices.

So these names are old which they are yet to re-evaluate based on current market prices.
Ofcus registered in 2014 sold for $720 and Orluc registered in 2016 sold for $715. So these are not names that were priced years ago. Orluc was priced only a few months ago.
 
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I emailed them and I was told it was a previoualy accepted name (2009) and the owner never published. They moved the name to my account and it had 595 $ price.

I again I emailed telling them this price is absurd. They told me not to worry and wait for new evaluation as back then names were priced 595 , 795 etc but since then the market has come a long way.

They changed the price to one of their normal prices.

Did the domain end up selling at a higher price yet? Perharps, there are endusers searching for the lowest priced brandable on bb and you could have missed out on a small profit (pending you didn't set the logo to $500). $595 - 30% = $416... if you set the logo to $500 hypothetically speaking, you would have owed them $84 after the sale.
 
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On the contrary, Orluc dropped 3 times.

Archive.org confirms this domain was listed on bb as early as September 8th, 2014. (earliest record of brandbucket.com/orluc)
Ok so it was priced 2 years ago. Why does that matter? Abdullah was talking about names from 2009 not 2014.
 
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Ok so it was priced 2 years ago. Why does that matter? Abdullah was talking about names from 2009 not 2014

Abdullah mentioned the domain he was talking about was originally approved in 2009 and since then market pricing has came along way. When did the market pricing change: 2009 or 2014? My post was to demonstrate they were still pricing domains under $995 as late as 2014. Theory would be debunked if domains were approved at lower price around 2009, and not published until 2014.

As for the registration dates of the other domains priced under $795:

Domain - WHOIS Date Registered - Earliest Archive.org record forwarding to bb

C/uviva - March 16th, 2016 - July 27th, 2014
E/xatube - May 5, 2014 - August 10th, 2014
E/xeen - March 9th, 2014 - June 4th, 2014
P/losko - June 29th, 2014 - July 29th, 2010 (listed at $1240)
E/mailBlitzer - May 19th, 2005 - May 26th, 2008 (listed at $495)
K/ovesi - March 16th, 2016 - August 25th, 2014
 
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Did the domain end up selling at a higher price yet? Perharps, there are endusers searching for the lowest priced brandable on bb and you could have missed out on a small profit (pending you didn't set the logo to $500). $595 - 30% = $416... if you set the logo to $500 hypothetically speaking, you would have owed them $84 after the sale.
No not yet. :)
 
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Ok so it was priced 2 years ago. Why does that matter? Abdullah was talking about names from 2009 not 2014.
BB priced the domain in 2009 , and the owner never published it and god only knows how many times it dropped . I regged and their system said the domain is already in the system so oncw it wqs moved to my account it was 595
 
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One thing is certain, if you come across a domain that was approved in 09/10 etc and reg, and inform them, they will move it to your account and it is on you to tell them about the price but if you go ahead and publish, of course it will sell at that low price
 
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BB priced the domain in 2009 , and the owner never published it and god only knows how many times it dropped . I regged and their system said the domain is already in the system so oncw it wqs moved to my account it was 595
It must have been one of their own drops because I don't think they had many names in their system that they didn't own in 2009. I don't even think they had a way of knowing if a name was previously submitted back in 2009. It seems like the system of knowing what was previously submitted only started recently.
 
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FWIW I think Novanym are branding specialists, and watching their inventory would be much more fruitful than watching Namerific. I think they put quite a lot of work into their names.

As a former seller on Namerific, I know that my names didn't move at all there after the change in ownership a couple of years ago. Not sure there's much to be gained watching them.
I checked out their inventory, and a lot of their names follow the increasingly common trend of deriving (and then hand registering) brandable versions based on the “proper” version of those brandable names (that have usually been registered years ago).

Some examples from their inventory:

K i n g a r u - An attempt at blending “King” and “Kangaroo”, which would result in “Kingaroo” (the .com has been registered since 2004, and is for sale @ Afternic). However, by changing the double “oo” of kangaroo into a single “u”, the pronunciation changes from kin·ga·roo to kin·garu, and the phonetic play on kangaroo is lost. Registered in 2015.

L u x u L u x - The standard and ideal version would be LuxLux (registered since 2001), but by sandwiching a “u” between lux and lux, they made a name that is available to hand reg. Registered in 2016.

L o c a M e t r o - Based on Local Metro (registered since 2004), but removing the last “l” in “local” and turning it into “loca” does not make sense (what is a "loca"?). Hand registered in 2015. The properly spelled .com is for sale through DNS.

K i d i C a t - Based on Kiddie Cat (registered since 2012). Turning “Kiddie” into “Kidi” is way too much hacking of one word in a two keyword brandable, as both keywords should be spelled properly for two keyword domains. Asking price: £5100. Registered in 2016. The properly spelled KiddieCat.com is for sale at HugeDomains for $2395. KiddiCat.com is available to hand reg.

T r i k s y - I suppose it is an attempt at “tricksy” (registered in 2000), which is “trick” + the “-sy” suffix, which is usually added to form diminutive nouns and adjectives. However, turning “trick” into “trik”, and then adding -sy at the end, does not really make sense. Registered in 2015. Tricksy is for sale at $1438 @ Fabulous.

M o t a W a y - Based on, the mainly British word, motorway. The “correct” brandable version would be MotoWay (registered since 2003), where "Moto" is clearly a shortened version of "Motor", which is something lots of auto brands have done in the past. However, there is no precedent for turning “motor” into “mota”, and it does not make sense to do so (yet they are asking £19500 for m o t a w a y - which makes it the most expensive domain in their inventory). Registered in 2016. MotoWay.com is offered by BuyDomains for $4388.

Kingaroo, LuxLux, LocalMetro, KiddieCat, Tricksy, and to a lesser extent, MotoWay, follow standard conventions of brandable names, and all make for good brands. The versions created by Novanym do not (in my opinion) make for good brands, and if they are “naming experts”, it’s strange that they try to get their buyers to brand around such names, instead of the properly spelled versions (especially when the proper version is available for sale).

BrandBucket has been doing something similar, and they are publishing lots of names that go against their own stated conventions of what names they accept. Of course, what a “brandable domain” is, and has always been, a contested notion, but as the brandable domain space matures, general conventions have developed, and many of the marketplaces themselves give guidelines that should be considered the minimum requirements for considering a domain to be a good brandable brand name, and by extension, a good brandable domain. For example, here are some points offered by BrandBucket:

For one keyword based names:
- If the name is based on a dictionary word -- and sounds the same as that word -- it should have no more than one spelling variation or "error" away from the original word. This makes it easy to explain to customers. For example: Digg is "dig with two g's".

- Spelling should be as expected.

For two keyword domains:
- Both words should be spelled fully and correctly.
- The words should have something in common, or a linguistic connection (same first letter, same vowel sound, etc.). They can also be a common phrase, or play on a common phrase.
- One (or both) of the words should relate to either a popular industry, or be broad enough to apply to many different types of industries.


These seem like really basic requirements, but BrandBucket has been publishing an increasing amount of one keyword names (e.g. keyword+suffix) that have two to three spelling variations or “hacks” away from the root keyword, for example by adding the -ster suffix to a keyword, and then hacking it once more and making Keywordster into Keywordstr. Similarly, I see lots of two keyword domains where one of the two keywords is misspelled. In other words, there is a "standard" or "ideal" version of these domains, yet there is a shift towards publishing multiple derivative variations of one and two keyword brandable domains.

As the pool of good “proper” brandable domains available for hand registration has been exhausted, and as reseller prices for expiring and dropping brandable domains are skyrocketing, brandable marketplaces have made the curious move of lowering their standards below the very basic guidelines outlined above, which enables the continuation of hand regging of names to be published. Across all the brandable marketplaces (BB, BR, NR, along with all the smaller ones), I am increasingly seeing derivative versions of already brandable domains being published, but with the same, or even higher, asking prices as they would have put on the “proper” versions of those names. That’s going to lead to further quality confusion and dilution of the brandable domain space, which is going to hurt the marketplaces themselves, and for regular sellers (non-marketplace owners) it certainly lowers the value added to having a brandable domain listed with a brandable marketplace.
 
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Kingaroo, LuxLux, LocalMetro, KiddieCat, Tricksy, and to a lesser extent, MotoWay, follow standard conventions of brandable names, and all make for good brands.

Well said.
 
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Nice, analysis Arca. Amazing how well some of these 'str' endings do in the aftermarket:
boastr.com 1,000 USD 1/17/2011 Sedo
glastr.de 1,460 USD 10/7/2009 Sedo
plastr.com 1,490 USD 2/12/2011 Sedo
mastr.com 13,500 USD 11/13/2013 Sedo
xoopstr.org 193 USD 11/2/2013 GoDaddy
bestr.com 2,388 USD 5/9/2012 Afternic
haustr.de 3,504 USD 10/7/2009 Sedo
castr.com 3,999 USD 5/28/2014 Sedo
hipstr.com 300 USD 8/17/2008 Sedo
multipostr.info 367 USD 8/21/2016 GoDaddy
vestr.com 5,400 USD 2/23/2016 Uniregistry
 
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Nice, analysis Arca. Amazing how well some of these 'str' endings do in the aftermarket:
boastr.com 1,000 USD 1/17/2011 Sedo
glastr.de 1,460 USD 10/7/2009 Sedo
plastr.com 1,490 USD 2/12/2011 Sedo
mastr.com 13,500 USD 11/13/2013 Sedo
xoopstr.org 193 USD 11/2/2013 GoDaddy
bestr.com 2,388 USD 5/9/2012 Afternic
haustr.de 3,504 USD 10/7/2009 Sedo
castr.com 3,999 USD 5/28/2014 Sedo
hipstr.com 300 USD 8/17/2008 Sedo
multipostr.info 367 USD 8/21/2016 GoDaddy
vestr.com 5,400 USD 2/23/2016 Uniregistry
Funny you should mention those, I grabbed mindstr earlier today :)
 
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The aftermarket sales:
Hipstr - Hipster is one word, so that’s just one hack
Mastr - A play on the word “master” - One hack
Boastr - Based on the word “boaster” - Again, one hack
Plastr - Plaster is a word, so this is also just one hack
Castr - Caster is a dictionary word, so that’s also one hack

BrandBucket published:
Swapstr - Two hacks: 1) swap + ster = Swapster. 2) Swapster - e = Swapstr.
Digstr - Two hacks (there is no such thing as a digster, so it’s dig+ster, minus the e in -ster).
Thumbstr - two hacks (unless a thumbster is a thing)
Stockstr - two hacks
Eatstr - two hacks
Hopstr - two hacks
Picstr - two hacks
Jogstr - two hacks

Most of the brandable aftermarket sales you mentioned follow the standard conventions of brandable domains, by hacking a dictionary word one time. I don't consider the .org and .de names to be brandable. The BB examples do not follow BB's own guidelines, as they add -ster to a word, and then hack it once more by omitting the "e" from "-ster". The "proper" versions of those names are:

Swapster
Digster
Thumbster
Stockster
Eatster
Picster
Jogster

The -ster suffix hack was just one example. I can list published names that are double (and triple) hacked in a multitude of other ways, such as a misspelled dictionary word + a suffix, or two keyword names where one of the two keywords are hacked, or blended words/portmanteaus that are derivative of how it should have been spelt.
 
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Sigh....
 
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Amazing detailing by Arca in her analysis and observations. Comments backed by strong and valid points. Insightful. Nice to read.
 
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