question Any Vax side effects?

oldtimer said:

How do you guys explain the sharp increase in the number of deaths around the World amongst doctors, nurses and the first responders in the last one and a half year.

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Turn off the news. Its fake.

topdom said:

They are forced to work hard, wear masks, get exposed to toxins in the name of extreme hygene, and get more radiation than usual.

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First off we need to thank all those who have sacrificed their lives to save others,

But you think that the doctors who got sick would have known better than anyone whether it was because of Covid or not.

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oldtimer said:

How do you guys explain the sharp increase in the number of deaths around the World amongst doctors, nurses and the first responders in the last one and a half year.

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They don't explain it. They just ignore reality and deny it or make up nonsense without any empirical data or evidence to back it up.

Let's take Occam's razor...

In layman's terms, the simplest explanation is usually the best one. Occam's razor is often stated as an injunction not to make more assumptions than you absolutely need.

What is the simplest solution? There is actually a deadly virus spreading around the world.

All these other "theories" require wild, unfounded speculation.

Brad

alcy said:

its amazing how close minded u are to not even conceive possibility they made virus to.control yer lives and inject u with whatever the hell they please.

never mind if it's TRUE.. the real issue is your closed minds

that is a disease 1000 times more serious than corona.. u need to open yer minds. zombies.

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The possibility could exist. At least in some places, among some groups - I look forward to any evidence for it.

But while being 'open minded', try not to be too stupid minded. So far pretty much all I've read is a bunch of bs evidence and bs reasoning to support people's pet conspiracy theories.

Cal2 said:

The possibility could exist. At least in some places, among some groups - I look forward to any evidence for it.

But while being 'open minded', try not to be too stupid minded. So far pretty much all I've read is a bunch of bs evidence and bs reasoning to support people's pet conspiracy theories.

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"Conspiracy Theories" = scapegoat term invented by the CIA to corral any information that threatens the narratives delivered to the masses.





Con means "With" Spir means "To Breath Life"



It is a FACT that Total Mortality is no higher than normal and this alone ought to speak volumes of truth so humans can extrapolate what is really happening behind the smoke and mirrors IMO

Compassion said:

"Conspiracy Theories" = scapegoat term invented to corral any information that threatens the narratives delivered to the masses.

and Con means "With" Spire means "To Breath Life"

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con·spir·a·cy
/kənˈspirəsē/

noun
noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

What you are spreading are conspiracies, by definition.

Call it anything you want. Is "unfounded speculation" better?

Brad

BrandPlease said:

Do Flu vaccines exist anymore? It seems like not one case of Flu in over a year, worldwide. Strange - but that must be the silver lining to co vid - the Flu seems to have been cured or wiped out by co vid. That has to be positive, look back at the CDC stats for the last decade. co vid has almost the same affected & mortality rates as the Flu. Image if we had Flu & co vid at the same time (it would be 2X as bad). Maybe we are really lucky?
Always looking to find the positive!

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Dr. Birx has a answer for your question. Hoax.

oldtimer said:

First off we need to thank all those who have sacrificed their lives to save others,

But you think that the doctors who got sick would have known better than anyone whether it was because of Covid or not.

IMO

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No, most doctors just follow orders.. They have no other option. And those orders come from the evil bigpharma mostly. They have no power to question anything.

bmugford said:

con·spir·a·cy
/kənˈspirəsē/

noun
noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

What you are spreading are conspiracies, by definition.

Call it anything you want. Is "unfounded speculation" better?

Brad

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Go deeper Brad,

How do you think modern English was formed? AI bots?


The prefix con-, which means “with” or “thoroughly,” appears in numerous English vocabulary words, for example: connect, consensus, and conclude. LATIN

-spir- comes from Latin, where it has the meaning "breathe;
have a longing for.'' This meaning is found in such words as: aspire, conspire, expire, inspire, perspire, respiration, respiratory, respire, spiracle, spirit, transpire.


Even an AI Bot can decipher etymological roots to innerstand, understand and overstand that CON means WITH and SPIR means BREATHE

Compassion said:

Go deeper Brad,

How do you think modern English was formed? AI bots?


The prefix con-, which means “with” or “thoroughly,” appears in numerous English vocabulary words, for example: connect, consensus, and conclude. LATIN

-spir- comes from Latin, where it has the meaning "breathe;
have a longing for.'' This meaning is found in such words as: aspire, conspire, expire, inspire, perspire, respiration, respiratory, respire, spiracle, spirit, transpire.

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The definition of the world is clearly defined.

noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

This is exactly what you are doing. Why are the anti-vaxxers even in this thread?
You have taken the entire thread off-topic with your conspiracies.

If you don't want the vaccine don't get it.

Brad

bmugford said:

The definition of the world is clearly defined.

noun: conspiracy; plural noun: conspiracies
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

This is exactly what you are doing. Why are the anti-vaxxers even in this thread?
You have taken the entire thread off-topic with your conspiracies.

If you don't want the vaccine don't get it. Social Darwinism will take care of it.

Brad

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I'm not pro vax nor anti vax.

I am pro logical systems science.

Apparently we just exposed you skipped over that whole Latin/Greek Prefix/Suffix schooling most of us Americans received in elementary school . . . .


Can you CONnect your reSPIRation to your intentions and movement?

Yoga may be a good place to start - it is one thing that has indeed helped me to heal and be whole.

Compassion said:

I'm not pro vax nor anti vax.

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Cool. Name (1) vaccine you support then.

Is smallpox a real virus? Is polio a real virus? Is measles a real virus.
If so, what did they just disappear on their own? Nothing to do with the highly successful vaccines.

You are clearly not indifferent on vaccines. You can tell by your posts.

Brad

bmugford said:

Cool. Name (1) vaccine you support then.

You are clearly not indifferent on vaccines. You can tell by your posts.

Brad

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Vaccines have caused only damage to me.

I've learned the vaccine rhetoric is based on a flawed reductionist model of medicine and an inaccurate model of immunology. The innate and adaptive model of immunology is flawed and over a century old - yet this is the foundation for "vaccine science."

From the perspective of a logical structured scientific model - one does not want to introduce foreign toxic matter into their bloodstream if one wants a strong immune system.

The immune system is a piece of the whole of the human being and must be strengthened in ways that do not involve injecting poison - IMHO


Here is a book by an MD about the origins of vaccination.
https://archive.org/details/b21357067

Compassion said:

Vaccines have caused only damage to me.

I've learned the vaccine rhetoric is based on a flawed reductionist model of medicine and an inaccurate model of immunology. The innate and adaptive model of immunology is flawed and over a century old - yet this is the foundation for "vaccine science."

From the perspective of a logical structured scientific model - one does not want to introduce foreign toxic matter into their bloodstream if one wants a strong immune system.

The immune system is a piece of the whole of the human being and must be strengthened in ways that do not involve injecting poison - IMHO

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So, then if there are (0) vaccines you support, you are anti-vax. Just own it.
Don't pretend like you are indifferent on vaccines then.

You are not against a COVID vaccine. You are just against vaccines in general.

To pretend that vaccines for smallpox, polio, and measles have not saved millions of lives and improved the quality of countless others is simply denying reality.

Brad

RIP - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Kaminsky

Future Sensors said:

RIP - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Kaminsky

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Is this someone you actually knew or did you cherry pick Wikipedia (fraudulent source) to suit your confirmation bias?

In this example, If Daniel had treated the roots of Diabetes, he quite likely would be alive.


I would say there is a 78% chance you are an AI bot.

Compassion said:

Is this someone you actually knew or did you cherry pick Wikipedia (fraudulent source) to suit your confirmation bias?

In this example, If Daniel had treated the roots of Diabetes, he quite likely would be alive.


I would say there is a 78% chance you are an AI bot.

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I knew him.

bmugford said:

So, then if there are (0) vaccines you support, you are anti-vax. Just own it.
Don't pretend like you are indifferent on vaccines then.

You are not against a COVID vaccine. You are just against vaccines in general.

To pretend that vaccines for smallpox, polio, and measles have not saved millions of lives and improved the quality of countless others is simply denying reality.

Brad

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I am not falling for the polarity scam of DIVIDE and CONQUER that you love so much.

I am pro systems science which is HOLISTIC/WHOLISTIC

Homeopathic vaccines can be useful for those who insist on getting some sort of vaccine.

topdom said:

No, most doctors just follow orders.. They have no other option. And those orders come from the evil bigpharma mostly. They have no power to question anything.

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I don't like the fact that healthcare has become so commercialized to the point that tens or even hundreds of people have to become millionaires for each person that needs to receive medical attention and help.

And I also don't like the fact that Helathcare or rather lack of it (along with lack of adequate and timely food and shelter) is being used as a tool for population control by the status quo in some countries.

But in order to fix these problems we can't just take a knife and cut through the body of Humanity, we have to use the precision and skills of a surgeon to cut the cancer cells from the good healthy cells and for that we need accurate and up to date info that are based on facts.

IMO

Future Sensors said:

I knew him.

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The great thing about these conspiracy theories...

On one side they want to say COVID is not real or not serious. They will blame the deaths on external factors like pre-existing conditions and not COVID.

But when someone gets the vaccine, they will blame the vaccine for the issues, not the pre-existing conditions.

Their misinformation and manipulation is so disingenuous.

Brad

Compassion said:

I am not falling for the polarity scam of DIVIDE and CONQUER that you love so much.

I am pro systems science which is HOLISTIC/WHOLISTIC

Homeopathic vaccines can be useful for those who insist on getting some sort of vaccine.

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There is nothing to divide. If you are against all vaccines, you are an anti-vaxxer by definition.

If you can't even acknowledge the realities of smallpox, polio, measles, and other viruses there is no reason to trust you on anything related to medicine or science.

They did exist. They killed millions of people. Their vaccines were all highly effective. Those are facts.

Brad

Future Sensors said:

I knew him.

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Condolences.

Yes people die - sometimes prematurely - particularly those with underlying conditions such as Diabetes.

If we don't have comorbidities when we get the flu or sick for any reason, we heal quite efficiently.

If immune function is already compromised because of underlying conditions - one is quite vulnerable.

Compassion said:

Condolences.

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Thank you for your compassion.

oldtimer said:

I don't like the fact that healthcare has become so commercialized to the point that tens or even hundreds of people have to become millionaires for each person that needs to receive medical attention and help.

And I also don't like the fact that Helathcare or rather lack of it (along with lack of adequate and timely food and shelter) is being used as a tool for population control by the status quo in some countries.

But in order to fix these problems we can't just take a knife and cut through the body of Humanity, we have to use the precision and skills of a surgeon to cut the cancer cells from the good healthy cells and for that we need accurate and up to date info that are based on facts.

IMO

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"Free market" is not real compatible with life or death decisions. When you have 10 middle men who need to make money to see your doctor, there is an issue.

It is not like deciding to buy a bigger TV or not.

There is a reason the entire rest of the modern world has figured out universal healthcare works much better. The statistics back it up.

Brad

bmugford said:

There is nothing to divide. If you are against all vaccines, you are an anti-vaxxer by definition.

If you can't even acknowledge the realities of smallpox, polio, measles, and other viruses there is no reason to trust you on anything related to medicine or science.

They did exist. They killed millions of people. Their vaccines were all highly effective. Those are facts.

Brad

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I could go there to pick apart your false belief structures,

I don't fall for your Divide and Conquer scams....
I am pro LIFE


The truth is not what you think it is. Dr Sherri Tenpenny is a good segway into learning the truth about those diseases if you can escape your confirmation bias bubble and examine what thousands of doctors say about the actual history of vaccines and the diseases they allegedly cured (all not true when you look at data)

It's more fun to dialogue with credentialed healers and scientists and create projects with them than it is to banter with domainers who missed or forgot their Latin and Greek roots classes in fifth grade and instead prefer to divide people into us and them, red or blue, anti or pro.

Wholeness and Optimism,