Oliver Maggs seller is scammer.

EmpireNames.com · Apr 30, 2019

Hi Guys.
i was trying to deal with this guy who own Gambly.com after having all proofs i decided to pay through paypal
but after receiving payment in paypal he disappeared
be carefull dont make any deal with him @Oliver Maggs
he trying to cash amount from paypal and then paypal will refund me and paypal will mark him as negative balance.
so he is trying to play game here with alot of guys..
be carefull

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

talking.domains said:
I don't understand why not inform authorities and police. This is criminal act imo. You have all evidence and you know who the thief is. Nothing to do with lawyers and lawsuits, he is criminal.
And shame on users who advise you to "move on", defending scammer.

Yes, it's one of the 100% clear cases, especially after all these different versions this professional told us. But it was impossible to explain to him that the fact that BTC isn't regulated doesn't mean that it's no criminal act. So just denounce with 100% evidence. Sooner or later, such scam artists receive multiple denounces for different criminal acts, and then it's game over.

Who knows what has happened to his casino coins...

Thanks to the starter of this thread.

wwwweb · May 3, 2019

BrunoWillis said:
Yes, it's one of the 100% clear cases, especially after all these different versions this professional told us. But it was impossible to explain to him that the fact that BTC isn't regulated doesn't mean that it's no criminal act. So just denounce with 100% evidence. Sooner or later, such scam artists receive multiple denounces for different criminal acts, and then it's game over.

Thanks to the starter of this thread.

Bruno, XY is an attorney, I think what he is saying is in terms of criminality it is more of a civil case, and in terms of financial, given the sum from a legal standpoint it will cost you more to gain less. Just giving you the practicality in the matter. I understand the moral dilemma, and it is probably less about the money, and more about upholding justice in the wrong doing you have incurred.

Now, for you I would assume it is more about personal responsibility, and going thru the motions you want to make sure this person is held accountable even though you know it will cost you more, unless your attorney is doing pro bono, or what not.

Sometimes what is right, and what is legally right gets blurred within costs of recovery. We all hope you get your funds back, as we
know this person has had plenty of opportuniies to transfer the domain to you.

Given that his name, and other accounts are in jeopardy now, it will lessen the opportunity for him to do it to anyone else in the future.

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

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wwwweb said:
Bruno, XY is an attorney, I think what he is saying is in terms of criminality it is more of a civil case, and in terms of financial, given the sum from a legal standpoint it will cost you more to gain less. Just giving you the practicality in the matter. I understand the moral dilemma, and it is probably less about the money, and more about upholding justice in the wrong doing you have incurred.

Now, for you I would assume it is more about personal responsibility, and going thru the motions you want to make sure this person is held accountable even though you know it will cost you more, unless your attorney is doing pro bono, or what not.

Sometimes what is right, and what is legally right gets blurred within costs of recovery. We all hope you get your funds back, as we
know this person has had plenty of opportuniies to transfer the domain to you.

Given that his name, and other accounts are in jeopardy now, it will lessen the opportunity for him to do it to anyone else in the future.

Don't worry. I knew this from the beginning. Sometimes it's about other things when you know the criminal is reading here too. I hope you understand what I mean.

The denounce will happen for sure now. And I wouldn't like to have this for just 750. But everybody needs to have priorities in life. It was not the smartest decision but he can think what he wants

And yes, he is still threatening me with police, denounce, visiting me and many other things. How deep can you fall in your life, Oliver Maggs? I don't want to know it even.

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

The initial Crime Reference Number is NFRC190502946105. If someone wants to report suspected criminal activities against the mentioned seller, then please add this reference so that police can pool everything. Thank you for your attention and support and sorry for having written a lot here. Maybe you know how you feel when someone criminal steals from you. We have to stop such people and we will. Even if there's a financial damage, you always need to denounce!

And here once again a reminder how stupid some scammers are. He sent that from the same email address as is shown in the escrow screenshot inside the email

Sooner or later they get what they deserve.

https://imgur.com/ROuTlIe

And here's the "latest" explanation for what happened with my funds:

https://imgur.com/t2QZoD6

https://imgur.com/qa7uj1g

And here his change of mind when he sold the domain again at Flippa, thanks to Flippa's fantastic business attitude:

https://imgur.com/gSLChBF

https://imgur.com/V39617h

If I didn't denounce this disgusting and crazy behavior, then I would lose the respect for myself.

SteveMaggs · May 3, 2019

BrunoWillis said:
The initial Crime Reference Number is NFRC190502946105. If someone wants to report suspected criminal activities against the mentioned seller, then please add this reference so that police can pool everything. Thank you for your attention and support and sorry for having written a lot here. Maybe you know how you feel when someone criminal steals from you. We have to stop such people and we will. Even if there's a financial damage, you always need to denounce!

And here once again a reminder how stupid some scammers are. He sent that from the same email address as is shown in the escrow screenshot inside the email Sooner or later they get what they deserve.

Hello Bruno or Michael or any other name you are choosing to use today. I am Oliver's father and the only criminal activity I can see going on here is that you are contacting and threatening members of my family. I have nothing to hide and so I am using my actual name, unlike you it would seem. I have contacted @namepros to advise them of your harassing behaviour on Facebook of my young daughter, elderly father and brother. I have evidence and screenshots to prove this. I am sure you are very brave on childish forums contacting and frightening vulnerable people but perhaps you would be less brave face to face. You are welcome to my number if you would like to meet up to discuss this. If you feel you have a financial grievance you have every right to use the appropriate authorities via legal means to address your concerns. What you do NOT have the right to do is to harass vulnerable people and frighten them when they are entirely innocent and unrelated to these events. have a word with yourself and STOP now or I will take matters further and this will be a criminal and not a civil matter.

SteveMaggs · May 3, 2019

Hello Bruno or Michael or any other name you are choosing to use today. I am Oliver's father and the only criminal activity I can see going on here is that you are contacting and threatening members of my family. I have nothing to hide and so I am using my actual name, unlike you it would seem. I have contacted @NamePros to advise them of your harassing behaviour on Facebook of my young daughter, elderly father and brother. I have evidence and screenshots to prove this. I am sure you are very brave on childish forums contacting and frightening vulnerable people but perhaps you would be less brave face to face. You are welcome to my number if you would like to meet up to discuss this. If you feel you have a financial grievance you have every right to use the appropriate authorities via legal means to address your concerns. What you do NOT have the right to do is to harass vulnerable people and frighten them when they are entirely innocent and unrelated to these events. have a word with yourself and STOP now or I will take matters further and this will be a criminal and not a civil matter.

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

Hi Steve,

I have no problems revealing my name here. Please note that I messaged 3 members of your family when your son threatened me to call the Spanish police and also to come to my house.

Also, I can't see any harrassment, any insult, any threat or personal attack in this message. I sent the same message to all 3, and it was a polite and informative message asking to find a solution by linking to this thread instead of having what we have now. I simply thought you would prefer to hear what your son is doing here from me than from the police. By the way, you may post this message here if you want. As I said I had a good intention when I contacted you. And you can find my full name and passport data in the contract that your son signed with me.

I am not the one who has started this by taking funds away, quickly trashing a signed contract and then saying that I haven't received it, Steve. The intention was very clear. More I can't say. I offered several times to your son that we can stop all this and also get his name out of Google with NamePros' help if he refunds the money which he took away intentionally.

Refund the money your son has taken. This would be the first step. And then I can withdraw the denounce immediately and we can get this thread out with NamePros' help. Please also note that I wasn't the starter of this thread. And please also note that I have included this thread in my denounce.

To some extent I understand that you protect your son and weren't amused about my message. But it's important that we see the reasons behind all this and don't turn around the roles of offender and victim.

Please feel also free to contact NamePros. They have started a fraud investigation and normally they are interested in settling such cases.

I can also invite you to join the personal conversation between your son, me and NamePros to solve this.

@Eric Lyon

SteveMaggs · May 3, 2019

Let me make myself clear. My message was not inviting a reply from you. You are to stop harassing members of my family. Any further contact to any member of my family will be treated as harassment which is a criminal matter. Your business dealings with my son are not my business and as previously stated any legal action you deem necessary and wish to take is your business. My family are my business. STOP contacting members of my family who are unrelated to this as you are causing them distress. This is the last you will hear from me and if you are sensible it is the last me or my family shall hear from you.
Good day.

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

Sorry but I am speechless. Do you even know what your son has done to me? I think it would be time to apologize to me instead of going on with threats against me. I contacted you exactly once, and this several days ago, in a polite way.

Would someone neutral please explain to Steve?

Jay Ha · May 3, 2019

The audacity..

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

It's very likely fake. When I contacted Oliver the first time asking what he has done with my funds, then he immediately threatened me with denounce and talked about harassment. Exactly same style. They can do what they want.

I can only see a guy who is very scared that other people will know about his criminal energy. He should have thought. I couldn't care less about a denounce for harassment because there was no harassment.

xynames · May 3, 2019

BTW what is a “denounce” is it something special, or just meaning that you’ll post publicly about what he allegedly did or what is it.

The term has no legal meaning to any particular legal action in the U.S. which is why I ask.

branding · May 3, 2019

@BrunoWillis

Is this guy a minor and are you and this alleged scammer in the same country ? Just wondering...

Anyway, if that's really his dad, good for him. You had no business contacting his family. His kid sister? Wtf man. If he's a minor I get why you tried to contact his parents but a kid sister... Not cool. Not cool at all.

Personally if my kid would be scamming people and evidence was there I'd ground her for years. Then again, if you'd be bothering my kid about sh*t like this just for having a grievance with her brother I wouldn't be amused at all. Let's say in real life things would get real ugly, real fast.

DotKing · May 3, 2019

So members here mostly believe to scammer? NP is doing nothing? What a great industry. Thanks for opening my eyes

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

xynames said:
BTW what is a “denounce” is it something special, or just meaning that you’ll post publicly about what he allegedly did or what is it.

The term has no legal meaning to any particular legal action in the U.S. which is why I ask.

We've reported it to the National Fraud & Cyber Crime Reporting Centre.

xynames · May 3, 2019

Okay well, unless I am missing something, then I'd stop using that term "denounce" it has no legal meaning in that context. Denouncing someone just means...denouncing someone. Reporting a criminal complaint...is reporting a criminal complaint.

It makes it sound like you don't know what you are doing or talking about when you talk about "making a denounce." Just a suggestion.

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

NameDeck said:
@BrunoWillis

Is this guy a minor and are you and this alleged scammer in the same country ? Just wondering...

Anyway, if that's really his dad, good for him. You had no business contacting his family. His kid sister? Wtf man. If he's a minor I get why you tried to contact his parents but a kid sister... Not cool. Not cool at all.

Personally if my kid would be scamming people and evidence was there I'd ground her for years. Then again, if you'd be bothering my kid about sh*t like this just for having a grievance with her brother I wouldn't be amused at all. Let's say in real life things would get real ugly, real fast.

The guy is 23 and tried to scam other people before. As you can see, I didn't open this thread. The only reason why he refunded the other victim was that $200 weren't worth losing his Paypal account. Just maths... And as you could also read, according to someone else, he demanded a logo with copyright breaches from a designer and later opened a Paypal dispute saying that this guy committed a copyright breach. This should tell you everything about his manipulative nature.

Secondly, he kept threatening me with police, coming to my house, etc. And then I thought, it's better to write a polite message to 2 or 3 people of his family, notifying them about this issue here. Because I thought it would be better (and it would have been) to solve this in a humane and fair way, refund and deleting his name. But instead he threatened me again and again. Even his first sentence after this scam was that he would go to the police if I contact him again. You must understand what kind of game he is playing...

Just fyi: This is what I sent after having been scammed and threatened with police and that he would come to my house:

My name
That I am a victim of a scam
Asking if they are relatives
The link
Saying that I am just interested in solving this asap.

After that, nothing more. A one-time contact when nobody was online. Calling this harassment is just a way to get out of that. He used this word in every second message to me playing the victim. He's the criminal not me. And yes, I would always do this again, when the little son scams and threatens online.

xynames · May 3, 2019

Did Riz M. get his PP money back? Was the domain delivered to the new buyer via Flippa?

So this domain is so "hot" that people are stumbling over their feet to buy it for more and more money?

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

xynames said:
Okay well, unless I am missing something, then I'd stop using that term "denounce" it has no legal meaning in that context. Denouncing someone just means...denouncing someone. Reporting a criminal complaint...is reporting a criminal complaint.

It makes it sound like you don't know what you are doing or talking about when you talk about "making a denounce." Just a suggestion.

Sorry for this but in my home country and in my country of birth it's just denounce, just one word. Thank you, didn't know that it's different in legal English.

branding · May 3, 2019

BrunoWillis said:
The guy is 23 and tried to scam other people before. As you can see, I didn't open this thread. The only reason why he refunded the other victim was that $200 weren't worth losing his Paypal account. Just maths... And as you could also read, according to someone else, he demanded a logo with copyright breaches from a designer and later opened a Paypal dispute saying that this guy committed a copyright breach. This should tell you everything about his manipulative nature.

Secondly, he kept threatening me with police, coming to my house, etc. And then I thought, it's better to write a polite message to 2 or 3 people of his family, notifying them about this issue here. Because I thought it would be better (and it would have been) to solve this in a humane and fair way, refund and deleting his name. But instead he threatened me again and again. Even his first sentence after this scam was that he would go to the police if I contact him again. You must understand what kind of game he is playing...

Just fyi: This is what I sent after having been scammed and threatened with police and that he would come to my house:

My name
That I am a victim of a scam
Asking if they are relatives
The link
Saying that I am just interested in solving this asap.

After that, nothing more. A one-time contact when nobody was online. Calling this harassment is just a way to get out of that. He used this word in every second message to me playing the victim. He's the criminal not me. And yes, I would always do this again, when the little son scams and threatens online.

I totally get it man and I feel for you. I've been scammed (not domaining related). I understand the emotions that come into play.

Being threatened on top sucks even more but there are legal procedures to follow. In cases like this you either walk away and take a loss or you report, sue, send debt collectors or whatever.

Contacting family (and especially someone's kid sister) is a line you simply do not cross. Even more because he's an adult.

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

xynames said:
Did Riz M. get his PP money back? Was the domain delivered to the new buyer via Flippa?

So this domain is so "hot" that people are stumbling over their feet to buy it for more and more money?

I think yes. But it was clear what he was trying to do. To my knowledge, he refunded it after some discussion in this thread and it was Riz who opened it. Paypal would have closed his account. That's clear. But maybe @Riz M. can answer.

I contacted Flippa and provided the contract and proof of payment. Also, I linked to the thread. They said they will investigate but nothing happened. The next day I wanted to click on the support ticket link, and I received a "404 oops". So they were not interested in this and trashed it. I contacted them again, and they said that they wouldn't allow the domain to be sold on the marketplace any more after this current auction. What a statement lol. And just shortly after this, the domain was sold with BIN 1750. Won't use this platform anymore.

Two days ago, he said he would pay me back after this Flippa auction. But I didn't believe it and I was right. When he had the Flippa money (he said he received it), he started to threaten again and told me I wouldn't receive a single penny from him.

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

NameDeck said:
I totally get it man and I feel for you. I've been scammed (not domaining related). I understand the emotions that come into play.

Being threatened on top sucks even more but there are legal procedures to follow. In cases like this you either walk away and take a loss or you report, sue, send debt collectors or whatever.

Contacting family (and especially someone's kid sister) is a line you simply do not cross. Even more because he's an adult.

I understand your opinion but I would always do it again in this case. He behaved like an invincible child, and I do think that it's better to contact at least the father first in a polite way, just once. Better than hearing it from the police, I thought. Ok, the sister I should have left out but he made me crazy with his stupid threats and lies. That was and is my thought. It was no message with threats at all.

Additionally, I wasn't the first one here in this thread who used his name and the word scam or scammer.

There's no change in the whois. I guess the funds are only "secured" so far.

As I said, it's likely not the father who posted here. And if then he's not very sensitive or he doesn't know anything. Actually I don't care much. He should be more interested in what his son is doing instead of what I am doing.

xynames · May 3, 2019

Just for future reference: With these sorts of things, if you can get enough victims to band together and jointly file a criminal complaint, you might get some action. But if you are all in different countries, and the dollar amount isn't high enough, as I wrote before, nothing is going to happen, unfortunately.

An attorney I knew had a client who sold the same high end watch (sales price around $10K) to three different people on an internet auction site. He collected the money via PayPal and managed to get it all out clean. Then to two I believe he shipped nothing (or maybe he shipped just a box with nothing in it), and to one he shipped the empty actual watch box. As I recall the one who got the watch box even videotaped himself receiving it from the mailman at the door, and opening it to find nothing inside but the watch's box. Then the scammer allegedly sold the watch itself locally without the box. So he collected $40K for a watch that was worth $10K and defrauded three internet victims. (Only the local buyer actually received the watch.)

The police did get involved and got a search warrant for his house via his IP address. A criminal case was filed. But by the time they caught him, because he wasn't around when they broke down his door and searched his place (and they didn't really find anything at the scene to tie him to the crime, he had already moved out), the case ended up being dismissed because the victims were in different states and didn't want to deal with it by then; I believe they had already been reimbursed by their banks or PayPal. And as I recall from what the attorney told me about the case, one of the internet victims refused to file a police report from the getgo, didn't care. So you may see, even in high dollar cases it's hard sometimes to secure a conviction.

So advice for the future: you guys who get scammed, don't put all your hope on a criminal complaint. Suing is sometimes prohibitively expensive. Don't come on here and create threads or threaten non-involved parties that may just end up making the scammer dig in his heels. Work with the guy as quickly as possible to try to get a resolution, or shame him in the proper format, privately, before you shame him publicly. Once everything is out in the open a scammer may feel he has nothing more to lose and just disappear.

BrunoWillis · May 3, 2019

xynames said:
Just for future reference: With these sorts of things, if you can get enough victims to band together and jointly file a criminal complaint, you might get some action. But if you are all in different countries, and the dollar amount isn't high enough, as I wrote before, nothing is going to happen, unfortunately.

I asked other victims in this thread several times to contact me and pool our actions. I know. 1 case is difficult, 3 cases are easier...but hey, do you know what? Such guys have sooner or later several reports and if it is for different things... and then something happens. The sad thing is that it takes often too long because people are too lazy for 200 or 300.

So if you are another victim, please contact me and I can explain how you can report it online in a few minutes.

And yes, Paypal do what they want. In 80 or 90% they take the buyer's side. And they don't accept any screenshots. But what they accept without checking is "Product not received" and "Program didn't work as specified" or "It was not what I ordered". Or the classic, that somebody hacked the Paypal account or stole the card.

Internet.Domains · May 3, 2019

If you have been scammed it is understandable to be emotional. Although, decisions will be better if you can control those emotions.

Contacting family members is not good. There is a proper way for recourse, but contacting family members is not the way to do it. Pending the details, contacting family could be criminal.

I wish you the best and hope for an amicable solution, but please leave family alone.

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