alert Got scammed by Mehmet emrah Gunes

jameandrew · Sep 25, 2017

Learnt a hard lesson today.Never deal without Escrow even if you have done trading with the same person before.

The issue is Regarding the domain KINA.com

Yesterday I got A PM from @Megist regarding the domain Kina.com whcih he wanted to sale it for $1250 and payment via BTC only.I replied back saying I am willing to buy so pass on the BTC address.I didn't got any reply from him,all of a sudden in the morning I was checking my mail and I saw the mail regarding Kina.com,he said he wanted to sell it off so lets proceed with the process.
Since his account got restricted in NP so I asked him these questions

Got the reply

Then a series of mail got exchanged below are the screenshots

So obviously He is not gonna pay back the BTC and wont transfer the domain.I knew I was taking a risk but since we have dealt in past so I showed faith in him and it was only .17 BTC..

Lesson Learnt: Never ever do deal without escrow.

His name and complete address

Seller:
Mehmet emrah Gunes
Halicioglu mahallesi Pestemalci sokak Yasam apt No 15 17 Daire 1 Beyoglu
34445 ISTANBUL
Turkey

Username on BlackHatWorld (BHW) is: mailingtr

Silentptnr · Sep 25, 2017

For 1250 or even 625, an escrow should be used regardless of the name. It protects both buyer and seller.

You paid 625 for your education. Now you graduated. Congrats! I know you won't take that class again.

atinc · Sep 25, 2017

Mahouni said:
But is it his actual email?? Op had convo with megist @ hotmail.com and going by the name OP posted the actual domainer uses megbilinternet (at) gmail.com. Can you shoot the actual guy and e-mail in turkish and ask whats up?

I have no idea if it is or not. Probably OP would know it better since they had transaction before the last one.

If he is a scammer I wouldn`t want him to have my e-mail address.

But I can give him a call and see what is going on.

Kuffy · Sep 25, 2017

gilescoley said:
Rule #1 of Domaining: Never ever buy a domain using bitcoin, the scammers use this method because its so hard to trace

More scammers use PayPal.

If you use multi-sig transactions with a trusted 3rd party, then that is a form of escrow in Bitcoin.

The other alternative is to use a service such as the Name Silo marketplace.

atinc · Sep 25, 2017

Seems like he is familiar with escrow too.

Check this out he sell his domains via Payoneer.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ul...-domain-1-retvipcars-com.951760/#post-5570998

gilescoley · Sep 25, 2017

More scammers use PayPal.

If you use multi-sig transactions with a trusted 3rd party, then that is a form of escrow in Bitcoin.

The other alternative is to use a service such as the Name Silo marketplace.

Thats why you use Escrow when using Paypal. Bitcoin transactions are known to be popular with scammers. Paypal is common because its used by everyone and has been around for years.

main · Sep 25, 2017

He also was trying to sell saka.com (apparently not his) on this forum for a too good to be price.

Eric Lyon · Sep 25, 2017

It's unfortunate that this has happened.

For the future, please keep in mind that we do not recommend doing business with anyone who has a restricted account. If you know they have a NamePros account and they are contacting you outside of NamePros, then that's one more sign they may be up to no good, because they know you'll have less protection outside of NamePros or we've already restricted their account to prevent them from taking advantage of anyone on NamePros.

New information:
We are still investigating but there is a strong chance that @Megist ( [email protected] , [email protected] ) is also @ergin. They have different whois details, but their accounts have both used the same IP addresses on the same day, across several months. That's not guaranteed proof (They could be brothers in the same household, schoolmates, etc.) but it's a strong connection.

Asfas1000 said:
His account was probably hijacked.

We investigated this and did not find any indications that his account was hacked/hijacked. Same ISP (IP addresses) used for years.

Hope that helps,

imadoer · Sep 25, 2017

Some words of advice. Getting a $10,000 domain offered to you for 10% of what it it is worth it should throw a huge red flag especially when the person you're buying it from is it domain investor they know the value of the domain 99% of the time

MR Harrist · Sep 25, 2017

if I were you I will use 3rd party, such as sedo, afternic or godaddy! and to be honest, 20%(fee) is nothing! at least better than get scam!

Eric Lyon · Sep 25, 2017

jameandrew said:
Got the reply

Megist's account was restricted for trying to sell domains he did not own in exchange for BTC, which is usually an indication of a scam attempt. In that email to you, the reason listed for the restriction and its duration are inaccurate.

creataweb · Sep 25, 2017

Red flags everywhere on that one. The domain was on privacy, the guy only accepted BTC (irreversible), super low price for that type of name, the list goes on.

His account should be terminated and not just restricted imo.

Hootsifer · Sep 25, 2017

I use paypal (verified since 2007) and am not a scammer so not everyone who uses it is. I also will accept escrow, if they will only accept paypal that might be a red flag though. Paypal for $1-150 / escrow for $200-1,000,000

Emmy101 · Sep 25, 2017

I think bitcoin is a good payment method for buying/selling domain names but you should use epic or namesilo escrow both will accept BTC !

Chris Hydrick · Sep 25, 2017

Thanks @jameandrew for creating this thread. And sorry for your monetary loss. Hopefully, at some point, you are paid back. I'll see if what I can uncover that may help the investigation.

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, as this isn't relevant to the scam, but doesn't Kina.com seem like a perfect domain for @ErwanKina? More about Mr. Kina HERE

Chris Hydrick · Sep 26, 2017

Grilled said:
I'll see if what I can uncover that may help the investigation.

main said:
He also was trying to sell saka.com (apparently not his) on this forum for a too good to be price.

Being that he tried selling other domains not owned by him, not sure what good looking into the domain will do. I was going to post the history of Kina.com, but if it wasn't confirmed he was ever in possession of the domain (or domain owners email) then I'm not sure what good posting the history will do.

Not sure if it was mentioned, but IMO OP should have emailed the privacy email to confirm ownership first.

IE for Kina.com it is [email protected]

wwwweb · Sep 26, 2017

Every few months a copycat like this pops us. You can't think people always think rational, some people get themselves into a bind, and will do whatever it takes to get out of it, no matter the consequences.

All he had to do was has short term auction on godaddy, and he would have got many multiples more. Given that it was at Uniregistry, should have done it thru Uniregistry market where the domain transfers directly upon payment.

Blueforever · Sep 26, 2017

jameandrew said:
Yes,I just took the risk because I have dealt with him in past and bought 3 4l.com from him without any issues,never thought he would scam for such a small amount..

How did you pay for the previous domains?

Kuffy · Sep 26, 2017

creataweb said:
Red flags everywhere on that one. The domain was on privacy, the guy only accepted BTC (irreversible), super low price for that type of name, the list goes on.

His account should be terminated and not just restricted imo.

Actually the fact that Bitcoin payments cannot be reversed is a bonus. The fact that PayPal payments can be reversed for up to six months, and their lack support for clients, is one of the reasons for its popularity with scammers.

The advice that you should use a trusted escrow service, or a trusted 3rd party signatory for Bitcoin, is very wise however.

jameandrew · Sep 26, 2017

Ram corbin said:
How did you pay for the previous domains?

It was via sedo escrow 2 years back

ErwanKina · Sep 26, 2017

Grilled said:
Being that he tried selling other domains not owned by him, not sure what good looking into the domain will do. I was going to post the history of Kina.com, but if it wasn't confirmed he was ever in possession of the domain (or domain owners email) then I'm not sure what good posting the history will do.

Not sure if it was mentioned, but IMO OP should have emailed the privacy email to confirm ownership first.

IE for Kina.com it is [email protected]

I tried to buy Kina.com a few years ago from Uniregistry (at that time DomainNameSales). Price was $60K, I couldn't buy it.

"]Being that he tried selling other domains not owned by him" = brokerage.
All my past verified sales are to be found on my LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erwankina/

Chris Hydrick · Sep 26, 2017

ErwanKina said:
"]Being that he tried selling other domains not owned by him" = brokerage.

With all due respect, I don't believe this was the case of a brokerage.

Maybe you didn't read the thread. Somebody reached out to OP to sell Kina.com for $1,250. OP sent half in bitcoin. Then came to the conclusion that he was being scammed, and that the person he/she was in contact with did not actually represent the domain or the domain owner.

In any case, thanks for sharing the previous $60k ask. If you still want the domain, you be able to reach the domain owner by contacting the privacy email and/or Abstract Holdings. (prior to going to WHOIS privacy, this domain was last publicly held by Abstract Holdings -- not sure if they sold it or...)

ErwanKina · Sep 26, 2017

Grilled said:
With all due respect, I don't believe this was the case of a brokerage.

Maybe you didn't read the thread. Somebody reached out to OP to sell Kina.com for $1,250. OP sent half in bitcoin. Then came to the conclusion that he was being scammed, and that the person he/she was in contact with did not actually represent the domain or the domain owner.

In any case, thanks for sharing the previous $60k ask. If you still want the domain, you be able to reach the domain owner by contacting the privacy email and/or Abstract Holdings. (prior to going to WHOIS privacy, this domain was last publicly held by Abstract Holdings -- not sure if they sold it or...)

I agree 100%. This guy is obviously a scammer. Just defending myself as I thought you were talking about me.

Chris Hydrick · Sep 26, 2017

ErwanKina said:
I agree 100%. This guy is obviously a scammer. Just defending myself as I thought you were talking about me.

Nah man. Not grilling you at all. Simply pointing out that you might have (or had) interest for this domain. And judging by your response, at one time you did, and thus was able to provide an additional detail to this thread. The additional detail being the previous $60k asking price.

ErwanKina · Sep 26, 2017

Yes I would definitely want to have this domain one day!

Page Howe · Sep 26, 2017

Thank you JamesAndrew for the post, it seems to me the buyer realized he was buying a too good to be true, but it was worth it because it could have been a hard-up seller, or some other reason , and from his accountability after he knew he was taking some risks, but for him they were worth it.

He was ok taking those risks himself, yet when the facts proved out to be a scam, he was helping us all so the next guy doesn't get pulled in.

I think every namepros member has one chance to bust-out, and ripoff someone on their way out the door. Kudos to Eric for the followup work to see if any other aliases are being used.

But thank you JamesAndrew for speaking up, it would have been easy to just shhhhh and lose the money and walk away without anyone knowing - so for saving the next person thank you.

Page Howe

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