alert Got scammed by Mehmet emrah Gunes

[jameandrew]

Learnt a hard lesson today.Never deal without Escrow even if you have done trading with the same person before.

The issue is Regarding the domain KINA.com

Yesterday I got A PM from @Megist regarding the domain Kina.com whcih he wanted to sale it for $1250 and payment via BTC only.I replied back saying I am willing to buy so pass on the BTC address.I didn't got any reply from him,all of a sudden in the morning I was checking my mail and I saw the mail regarding Kina.com,he said he wanted to sell it off so lets proceed with the process.
Since his account got restricted in NP so I asked him these questions

Got the reply

Then a series of mail got exchanged below are the screenshots

So obviously He is not gonna pay back the BTC and wont transfer the domain.I knew I was taking a risk but since we have dealt in past so I showed faith in him and it was only .17 BTC..


Lesson Learnt: Never ever do deal without escrow.

His name and complete address


Seller:
Mehmet emrah Gunes
Halicioglu mahallesi Pestemalci sokak Yasam apt No 15 17 Daire 1 Beyoglu
34445 ISTANBUL
Turkey

Username on BlackHatWorld (BHW) is: mailingtr

 

[Asfas1000]

Also,Reputation is much more important than the money,if you see a profile with 27 positive reviews with 100% rating you will think that the guy is genuine and he wont scam you for such a small amount and put his all hard earned reputation since last 2 year for a toss.

His account was probably hijacked.

 

[Kenny]

Hello jameandrew,

This is exactly why we have these rules in place:

6.1.23 Transactions must be carried out on NamePros.com via public or direct messages, otherwise NamePros staff will be unable to assist with any problems that may arise. Conversations transitioning to off-site mediums, such as email, cannot be regulated by NamePros staff. Rule 6.2.13 applies.

We hope you can get this worked out.

Peace,
Cyberian

 

[Dominic Belley]

When a seller always has an excuse for not using any Escrow options, its a bad sign.
Can't use this for X reason ... can't use that for Y reason .. don't trust China .. blah blah blah.

 

[atinc]

His account was probably hijacked.

I don`t think his account is hijacked cause the attachment shows that OP talked him thru his personal e-mail address.

 

[Mahouni]

I don`t think his account is hijacked cause the attachment shows that OP talked him thru his personal e-mail address.

But is it his actual email?? Op had convo with megist @ hotmail.com and going by the name OP posted the actual domainer uses megbilinternet (at) gmail.com. Can you shoot the actual guy ande-mail in turkish and ask whats up?

 

[DaveX]

For 1250 or even 625, an escrow should be used regardless of the name. It protects both buyer and seller.

You paid 625 for your education. Now you graduated. Congrats! I know you won't take that class again.

 

[atinc]

But is it his actual email?? Op had convo with megist @ hotmail.com and going by the name OP posted the actual domainer uses megbilinternet (at) gmail.com. Can you shoot the actual guy and e-mail in turkish and ask whats up?

I have no idea if it is or not. Probably OP would know it better since they had transaction before the last one.

If he is a scammer I wouldn`t want him to have my e-mail address.

But I can give him a call and see what is going on.

 

[Kuffy]

Rule #1 of Domaining: Never ever buy a domain using bitcoin, the scammers use this method because its so hard to trace

More scammers use PayPal.

If you use multi-sig transactions with a trusted 3rd party, then that is a form of escrow in Bitcoin.

The other alternative is to use a service such as the Name Silo marketplace.

 

[atinc]

Seems like he is familiar with escrow too.

Check this out he sell his domains via Payoneer.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ul...-domain-1-retvipcars-com.951760/#post-5570998

 

[gilescoley]

More scammers use PayPal.

If you use multi-sig transactions with a trusted 3rd party, then that is a form of escrow in Bitcoin.

The other alternative is to use a service such as the Name Silo marketplace.

Thats why you use Escrow when using Paypal. Bitcoin transactions are known to be popular with scammers. Paypal is common because its used by everyone and has been around for years.

 

[main]

He also was trying to sell saka.com (apparently not his) on this forum for a too good to be price.

 

[Eric Lyon]

It's unfortunate that this has happened.

For the future, please keep in mind that we do not recommend doing business with anyone who has a restricted account. If you know they have a NamePros account and they are contacting you outside of NamePros, then that's one more sign they may be up to no good, because they know you'll have less protection outside of NamePros or we've already restricted their account to prevent them from taking advantage of anyone on NamePros.

New information:
We are still investigating but there is a strong chance that @Megist ( [email protected] , [email protected] ) is also @ergin. They have different whois details, but their accounts have both used the same IP addresses on the same day, across several months. That's not guaranteed proof (They could be brothers in the same household, schoolmates, etc.) but it's a strong connection.

His account was probably hijacked.

We investigated this and did not find any indications that his account was hacked/hijacked. Same ISP (IP addresses) used for years.

Hope that helps,

 

[imadoer]

Some words of advice. Getting a $10,000 domain offered to you for 10% of what it it is worth it should throw a huge red flag especially when the person you're buying it from is it domain investor they know the value of the domain 99% of the time

 

[MR Harrist]

if I were you I will use 3rd party, such as sedo, afternic or godaddy! and to be honest, 20%(fee) is nothing! at least better than get scam!

 

[Eric Lyon]

Got the reply

Megist's account was restricted for trying to sell domains he did not own in exchange for BTC, which is usually an indication of a scam attempt. In that email to you, the reason listed for the restriction and its duration are inaccurate.

 

[creataweb]

Red flags everywhere on that one. The domain was on privacy, the guy only accepted BTC (irreversible), super low price for that type of name, the list goes on.

His account should be terminated and not just restricted imo.

 

[BionicMan]

I use paypal (verified since 2007) and am not a scammer so not everyone who uses it is. I also will accept escrow, if they will only accept paypal that might be a red flag though. Paypal for $1-150 / escrow for $200-1,000,000

 

[Emmy101]

I think bitcoin is a good payment method for buying/selling domain names but you should use epic or namesilo escrow both will accept BTC !

 

[Grilled]

Thanks @jameandrew for creating this thread. And sorry for your monetary loss. Hopefully, at some point, you are paid back. I'll see if what I can uncover that may help the investigation.

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, as this isn't relevant to the scam, but doesn't Kina.com seem like a perfect domain for @ErwanKina? More about Mr. Kina HERE

 

[Grilled]

I'll see if what I can uncover that may help the investigation.

He also was trying to sell saka.com (apparently not his) on this forum for a too good to be price.

Being that he tried selling other domains not owned by him, not sure what good looking into the domain will do. I was going to post the history of Kina.com, but if it wasn't confirmed he was ever in possession of the domain (or domain owners email) then I'm not sure what good posting the history will do.

Not sure if it was mentioned, but IMO OP should have emailed the privacy email to confirm ownership first.

IE for Kina.com it is [email protected]