new gtlds Pull up your sleeves, you new G's

[HotKey]

For the 3rd time in 6 months, watching the ol' tee-vee and wouldn't you know, on comes a Go Daddy commercial, with surprise surprise, promoting .guesswhatyesdot-com

I have yet to see another registrar or registry produce something like this for new G's, or anything for that matter.

So essentially, what we have here, is the maximum exposure on prime time television. 3 times in 6 months. Resulting in Mom and Pop knowing only three things:

- to buy a domain
- and there is only one extension
- all at one registrar

GD.

Soo, what the heck is every other registry and registrar doing to combat this monopolization? Nothing. No sleeves being pulled up, nothing being invested in main-stream television advertising by them.

I mean, comeon, get to work people. Investors pulling up our sleeves, but we seem to be the only ones. We have limited resources in educating the masses. To generate mass appeal on new products, we need exposure from the source, or even places like talk shows. Eg. Ellen or Jimmy Fallon. Else we're looking at a 50 year adoption rate. I mean slow and steady winds the race, but that slow??

When you have prime-time exposure, you don't have to worry about the distractors sitting around in circles singing kum ba yah and moaning and groaning how the non-coms don't get traffic, there's no comparables and oh no they are soo confusing. We don't need this mantra as new G investors. I would prefer if you're not willing to be educated, at the very least offer something constructive that improves to what we're building.

I realize Verisign is pooping cash, which helps them inject funds to, well, help them poop more cash, but surely the people who run new extensions had more than just the initial capital of 180k to acquire the new G?

They can't make something on the magnitude of a domain extension and expect people to just know about it. Particularly when up against an almost 40 year old behemoth.

So what's the problem? Are there vested interests that are attempting to bury new adoption? Or are these new registries really that cash-strapped? Whatever it is, looks like it continues to be up to us to roll up our sleeves and plug on. But until more excitement is generated, my weight will be on current stock rather than new acquisitions.

 

[namemarket]

Domain investors want sales but the world generally speaking places very little worth on domains. The vast majority of domain purchases are for reg fee. Beyond low $xxx there is considerable resistance to paying a premium price for a domain. Now before 2014 industry portfolio turn was in the 1% range. Adding 500 new extensions has not increased the demand to pay premium prices for domains. It has given low-budget end users more options. It makes selling a domain at a premium price even more difficult. There are some interesting potential combinations with the newer extensions but in the end they are merely additional alternatives to a massive oversupply of aftermarket domains. How many $xxxx aftermarket domain sales occur in a year (only way to carry a large portfolio with minimal parking income)? How many millions of aftermarket domains are available for sale? Until end users see the light....

That is exactly how I feel about the resale market too and I now believe (if only looking for end-users as I do) portfolio turn rates have fallen below the 1% it was before 2014. And as you referred to, a very low turn rate combined with big decline in parking revenue is a major problem, imo.

 

[JB Lions]

There are lots of variables as far as that. Another recent thread people were talking about what percentage they sell. I see the usual 1% - 2% up to 15% - https://www.namepros.com/threads/ar...ep-newbies-out-of-the-business.1125038/page-3

Last year I sold about 10%, various amounts, last 3 months, best ever. Part of that is probably because over the years I've learned what sells, trimmed the portfolio so I'm probably renewing 95%+ and now all .com. In the past I've had .net, .co, .me, .info, .us, .bz, .cc, .org, even had a .md, etc. It's just easier selling .coms.

 

[Fancy.domains]

There are lots of variables as far as that. Another recent thread people were talking about what percentage they sell. I see the usual 1% - 2% up to 15% - https://www.namepros.com/threads/ar...ep-newbies-out-of-the-business.1125038/page-3

Last year I sold about 10%, various amounts, last 3 months, best ever.

I “stopped” selling to domainers and lowered my result to about 8%. But I increased my income with almost 100%, compared with 2017.

 

[JB Lions]

I “stopped” selling to domainers and lowered my result to about 8%. But I increased my income with almost 100%, compared with 2017.

Yeah, it's more about that at the end of the day. Profit.

 

[johnnie018]

Well, I would argue, why should we use something repurposed, or sub-par like a longer name? Would you? Do we not take pride in our business anymore?

If people are buying other types of domains than you are trying to sell then the person who made the bad choice is you, not businesses.

 

[johnnie018]

Y
End users might be hesitant to take a chance with New gTLDs because of SEO concerns and perhaps because they are being told by their IT department or SEO guys who have an old school mindset themselves that .com is the only way to go in order to rank high on the search engines, which to some extent is being reinforced by the fact that it's not very clear as to how much longer the search engines are going to be able to ignore the keyword/extension correlation that the New gTLDs have.

4- Lack of a collective advertising campaign by the Registries.

But the good news is that people’s mindsets, attitudes, and habits can change over time, so there is still some hope for New gTLDs, especially because sooner or later the search engines have to factor in the keyword/extension correlation which will give New gTLDs a huge advantage. IMO

Let's stop the excuses, for the people who are getting lower sales than expected with new tlds that is 100% their own fault.

Stop blaming everyone else, registries, businesses, SEO's guys, anything to avoid responsibility! We heard all this from @lolwarrior a couple of days ago where he implored registries to release sales data but refuses to release any of his own!

 

[oldtimer]

My advice to New gTLD fans is to not to waste too much time arguing here, your time is better spent researching and finding domains, you don't have to prove anything to anyone but to yourself by finding domains that have perfect keyword/extension correlation at low renewal charges. IMO

 

[Brands.International]

Let's stop the excuses, for the people who are getting lower sales than expected with new tlds that is 100% their own fault.

Stop blaming everyone else, registries, businesses, SEO's guys, anything to avoid responsibility! We heard all this from @lolwarrior a couple of days ago where he implored registries to release sales data but refuses to release any of his own!

Hmm, so now I "implored" ... refreshing Johnnie, I have not heard this one from you yet

implore
/ɪmˈplɔː/
verb
past tense: implored; past participle: implored

1. beg someone earnestly or desperately to do something.
   • ARCHAIC
     beg earnestly for.
     "I implore mercy"

 

[johnnie018]

But until more excitement is generated, my weight will be on current stock rather than new acquisitions.

At least you are heading in the right direction though. Many new tld investors have dropped names, other say they are no longer investing, some are saying it will take 50 years (i.e. never!) It is all the same correct realization that these extensions are DOA.

 

[bmugford]

Hmm, so now I "implored" ... refreshing Johnnie, I have not heard this one from you yet

implore
/ɪmˈplɔː/
verb
past tense: implored; past participle: implored

1. beg someone earnestly or desperately to do something.
   • ARCHAIC
     beg earnestly for.
     "I implore mercy"

From the Cambridge dictionary -

to ask someone in a determined, sincere, and sometimes emotional way to do or not to do something, or to ask for something in this way.

You did ask for registries to report their sales on the first page of this thread...

Brad

 

[BrandableDomain]

There are too many extensions competing for a small share of the pie. This is precisely the reason why they will fail, almost all of them, and they are failing.

That statement is simply incorrect. There are now 200 new gTLDs with more than 10,000 registrations. And they go up into the millions.

And dot WEB will likely eclipse them all.

You are selectively citing a few extensions that are struggling whereas I am talking about the collective impact of the program. Strings you name like .tel .mobi .cam .bid .horse or .wed are almost irrelevant, they could disappear tomorrow and would make little difference to the big picture.

If “almost all of them” will fail, why did Deloitte name Donuts as Number One in their 2017 North America Technology Fast 500™ Rankings? (Donuts controls about 240 strings i.e. almost half the new gTLD program.)

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...a-technology-fast-500-rankings-300551939.html

Why did Abry Partners (one partner is Fadi Chehadé) buy Donuts last year if most of their extensions are “failing”?

“Abry Partners, a private equity firm that has completed $77 billion in transactions since it was founded in 1989, is acquiring new top level domain name company Donuts, Inc.”

Breaking: Domain name company Donuts Inc. acquired by private equity firm Abry Partners

https://domainnamewire.com/2018/09/05/donuts-abry-partners/

I presume you are the same “Kate” that commented on this 2015 TheDomains article, where Paul Stahura made the following statement, If so, you may remember it:

“Donuts will not sunset or shutter any of its gTLDs… From our perspective, a portfolio approach brings stability to the equation, thanks to efficiencies and lower costs.

“Donuts is highly profitable even though we administer some gTLDs with relatively fewer names. Specific gTLDs, such as .BANK for example, can command higher prices than can other generics, and perhaps are therefore more profitable per name than gTLDs with larger volumes.”

Donuts: We are not Going To Delete New gTLD Extensions

https://www.thedomains.com/2015/12/10/donuts-we-are-not-going-to-deleted-new-gtld-extensions/

Dot DEV just launched, already over 100,000 registrations. I could go on.

 

[johnnie018]

That statement is simply incorrect. There are now 200 new gTLDs with more than 10,000 registrations. And they go up into the millions.

And dot WEB will likely eclipse them all.

You are selectively citing a few extensions that are struggling whereas I am talking about the collective impact of the program. Strings you name like .tel .mobi .cam .bid .horse or .wed are almost irrelevant, they could disappear tomorrow and would make little difference to the big picture.

If “almost all of them” will fail, why did Deloitte name Donuts as Number One in their 2017 North America Technology Fast 500™ Rankings? (Donuts controls about 240 strings i.e. almost half the new gTLD program.)

Why did Abry Partners (one partner is Fadi Chehadé) buy Donuts last year if most of their extensions are “failing”?

“Abry Partners, a private equity firm that has completed $77 billion in transactions since it was founded in 1989, is acquiring new top level domain name company Donuts, Inc.”

Breaking: Domain name company Donuts Inc. acquired by private equity firm Abry Partners


I presume you are the same “Kate” that commented on this 2015 TheDomains article, where Paul Stahura made the following statement, If so, you may remember it:

“Donuts will not sunset or shutter any of its gTLDs… From our perspective, a portfolio approach brings stability to the equation, thanks to efficiencies and lower costs.

“Donuts is highly profitable even though we administer some gTLDs with relatively fewer names. Specific gTLDs, such as .BANK for example, can command higher prices than can other generics, and perhaps are therefore more profitable per name than gTLDs with larger volumes.”

Donuts: We are not Going To Delete New gTLD Extensions


Dot DEV just launched, already over 100,000 registrations. I could go on.

A big % is disposable names sold to spammers for under $1, actual usage is tiny beyond spam.

Btw when new tld registry sells it is typically a firesale not a sign of strength, if it were strength the price would not be held back.

 

[bmugford]

That statement is simply incorrect. There are now 200 new gTLDs with more than 10,000 registrations. And they go up into the millions.

And dot WEB will likely eclipse them all.

You are selectively citing a few extensions that are struggling whereas I am talking about the collective impact of the program. Strings you name like .tel .mobi .cam .bid .horse or .wed are almost irrelevant, they could disappear tomorrow and would make little difference to the big picture.

There are many hundreds of total new extensions with a total of about 1/6th the volume of .COM alone, or about 7% of all domain registrations. Some of these extensions have been out 5+ years now and there has been negative registration growth over the last 2+ years. It sure doesn't sound like they are taking over the world to me.

Also, how exactly is .Web any better than .Net? It is just another dated term which is inferior to .Com.

Brad

 

[johnnie018]

Watch as .club gets sold within a few years, price not disclosed!

 

[HotKey]

Not sure how many times I've pointed to that one blog where they post end user buys. Most of them being coms for low x,xxx and under. Most domainers who do this for a living or active, participate in the Aftermarket. You can get good names all day long.

My statement on calling "junk" was harsh.

Agreed AM is where to go for name shopping.

But,

a thriving aftermarket is not always an indication, by any means, of quality stock. I believe people get to the point of desperation, and believe they have no other options, because the options aren't being presented to them. Only the savvy know where to turn, or how to properly filter results to weed things out. We get stuck in robot mode, doing the same searches, the same way, time after time.

Not to say there also is a plethora of quality new Gs on the AM too.

Why are some of us adverse to having these options presented on a mass scale?

Is all I ask.

Those of us that have been through the loop before aren't going to let that spin prevail, particularly if it's looking to influence new comers. there needs to be a balance when so many threads are being started by those fairly new to the domain scene or with just one agenda

A lot of meat in this.

Will we reach a tipping point? I don't know but I don't think it can be discounted.

Have often wondered the same. Like, what will the catalyst be for a sudden change in tide? I'm not sure there ever will be, likely more a gradual effect.
Tech changes so fast, new tech is considered out-dated within what, 6 months or something? By this standard, new G's have already beat the odds..

(yes yes many consider new gTLD not new technology, that's not my drift)

 

[Kate]

And dot WEB will likely eclipse them all.

If it's ever released. Some like R Schwarz would say it's one of the best, I would rather say it's one of the least worst and it's not going to be more popular than .net, a TLD that has been losing steam but is still light years ahead of any nTLD.

You are selectively citing a few extensions that are struggling whereas I am talking about the collective impact of the program. Strings you name like .tel .mobi .cam .bid .horse or .wed are almost irrelevant, they could disappear tomorrow and would make little difference to the big picture.

All nTLDs could be removed from the root today, it would make little difference. Even abc.xyz. Few people would notice or bother beside Alphabet shareholders and they have their own extensions so why should they care.
The collective impact of the program like you say has been disappointing outside domain circles. Everybody admits it, even the registries.

If “almost all of them” will fail, why did Deloitte name Donuts as Number One in their 2017 North America Technology Fast 500™ Rankings? (Donuts controls about 240 strings i.e. almost half the new gTLD program.)

Or another question: if they are so great why are dozens of companies withdrawing their applications or killing their corpTLDs
https://www.namepros.com/threads/list-of-retired-new-extensions.991424/
The hype is wearing off.
At least Donuts makes money on new extensions but domainers are struggling. They are in wrong position in the food chain.

I presume you are the same “Kate” that commented on this 2015 TheDomains article, where Paul Stahura made the following statement, If so, you may remember it:

Yes it was me.
In the same thread Frank Schilling says:
I think it’s naive to assume you have 200 endings and none of them will ever go dark.
His words, not mine You've been warned.

Dot DEV just launched, already over 100,000 registrations. I could go on.

Lots of speculation, defensive regs, FOMO, zone stuffing etc etc. Little development.
Like .app, just another extension that will be quickly forgotten. Amazing how domainers have short memories and move on from one fad to another.

23M nTLDs registered but how many do you advertised on the streets ?
Clearly there is a disconnect between registration numbers and usage.

Advertising is the key. TLDs must be advertised. It's the only way people will notice them and remember about them.

 

[Brands.International]

Why are some of us adverse to having these options presented on a mass scale?

Is all I ask.

We all know answer for this one. There are 2 possible explanations:

Official answer: "because we are going to protect all those new domainers from loosing money on those bad bad new extensions..we are good people and have been around for a long time, so we do care about you ... it is just our pure altruism"

Alternative answer: "I really hate all those new extensions, WTF!!! I was building my ******* portfolio for 15 years patiently, so much energy into this, and now all those new stupid extensions in my way....grrrrrr "

Everyone need to use logic and common sense to decide internally which answer has more probability to reflect truth. Saying that, I am not putting all new gTLD critics into one basket, as like in every other aspect of life, there is a wide grade of opinions.

But I honestly can not explain why some people here who do not own even 1 new gTLD are spending hours and hours, each day, on new gTLD threads, posting thousands and thousands of anti new gTLD nonsense.

 

[HotKey]

There always does seem to be a collaborative effort to squash the whole .deal, always in the name of "education" because of previous bad experiences from older gTLDs. Thus any new innovation or upgrade to .com pays the price. But discussions have taken a much more positive term, a few years ago it was like jumping into a shark tank.

All sides of the story must be considered, so all the input is appreciated. We can't make educated decisions on biased opinions, but history plays a large role in forming those opinions, thus can't be discounted. And they say history repeats, and has been proven.

There's also data-based decisions, the backbone of many, many domainers, and rightly so, but it creates a wall of "black and white" as Bob eloquently stated, I'm not sure if this thread or another, and unless we're on an assembly line, I think the gray area is the exciting, unexplored area that we should be open to tapping in to.

Alternative answer: "I really hate all those new extensions, WTF!!! I was building my ******* portfolio for 15 years patiently, so much energy into this, and now all those new stupid extensions in my way....grrrrrr "

I can see this. Attempts to squash progress because it impedes personal agendas.

Advertising is the key. TLDs must be advertised. It's the only way people will notice them and remember about them.

Ironically, the method needed most for its awareness, is also the method that it may be used most for.

 

[handpicked]

GD does that in all major TV prime time in India and it's driving their business.

As far as the new gTLD's are concerned, as an example, in the words of CEO Rob Monster :

"Epik is an accredited registrar for .ICU. We will shortly release a web app that will bundle .ICU domains with personal video conferencing as an integrated feature. We'll be meeting with the .ICU team at ICANN in Kobe this weekend. I see good potential for .ICU around this idea -- much earlier to remember handpicked.icu than zoom.com/random-guid, for example."

I feel such added offering and new possibilities / usability goodies and novelties will entice the entrepreneurs and propel on its own rather that just publicizing it.

Though I have only a dozen name in new gTLD if new ideas a put-forth I would prefer to have more.

 

[oldtimer]

All sides of the story must be considered, so all the input is appreciated.

There is a difference between constructive criticism and having balanced point of view from all sides than having to listen to those who have been tirelessly putting down the New gTLDs form the very beginning not because that the New gTLD program is going to fail, but because they want to see it fail (for many different reasons). As of now no one really knows for sure how the New gTLDs will turn out in the future, so it's just going to come to a personal choice as to whether one wants to take their chances with a few good domains or not, but to listen to the naysayers and to completely stay away from this opportunity does not sound logical especially since they are so eager to see the New gTLDs fail.
IMO

 

[BaileyUK]

We all know answer for this one. There are 2 possible explanations:

Official answer: "because we are going to protect all those new domainers from loosing money on those bad bad new extensions..we are good people and have been around for a long time, so we do care about you ... it is just our pure altruism"

Alternative answer: "I really hate all those new extensions, WTF!!! I was building my ******* portfolio for 15 years patiently, so much energy into this, and now all those new stupid extensions in my way....grrrrrr "

OK. I gave your seemingly 'Sarcastic' first answer and no-doubt your true belief second answer a bit of thought. But with yes, 20+ years of domaining under my belt. I would certainly be right in there. Without even looking I've equally no-doubt i could put together an impressive looking list (I do focus on up and coming technologies) in areas that have been very profitable for me and aren't really the obvious stuff. IF I had a reason to believe it was an opportunity. I've certainly got the money and time

But, no I can understand your 'jealousy' wording/belief attack but. the reality is already out there. These ntld launches were about making money from the speculators, nothing more, A double your money exercise. (one of the reasons they all went out in pretty-much one bite) Not a futuristic plan for the internets naming space.

Yes I will do/add anything I can to counter the misinformation of the gullible.
Look, I will stay away from individual sales threads, (as per rules) and general attempts to sell But, I will come in as and When I read 'This is the Future Stuff' because it's bollocks and newbies may believe that spin

Hope that's a good enough answer for you, Always Willing to let reality do my talking for me

I believe there will indeed be a few successful enterprises launched under the ntlds but that success will come from the sales proposition not, the domain (as is always the case)

 

[JB Lions]

We all know answer for this one. There are 2 possible explanations:

Official answer: "because we are going to protect all those new domainers from loosing money on those bad bad new extensions..we are good people and have been around for a long time, so we do care about you ... it is just our pure altruism"

Alternative answer: "I really hate all those new extensions, WTF!!! I was building my ******* portfolio for 15 years patiently, so much energy into this, and now all those new stupid extensions in my way....grrrrrr "

Everyone need to use logic and common sense to decide internally which answer has more probability to reflect truth. Saying that, I am not putting all new gTLD critics into one basket, as like in every other aspect of life, there is a wide grade of opinions.

But I honestly can not explain why some people here who do not own even 1 new gTLD are spending hours and hours, each day, on new gTLD threads, posting thousands and thousands of anti new gTLD nonsense.

I don't consider this a genuine post from you. I'll explain.

Every time you start another new gtld thread, in the very first post you'll have something about .com, like your recent one. I think you like baiting, egging on what you consider .commers, even tho many invest in new gltd themselves or in the past. See it worked again

Also, what we've gone over many times. When somebody in a forum makes claims, it's natural to question them. Like selling new gtlds. See my example in the other thread if somebody made a post about how to climb Mt. Everest.

I will point out any legit forum software comes with an ignore feature. Every one of us probably annoys somebody else/many people. That option takes care of that. This forum also needs an ignore thread/forum option.

I will also point out this is a discussion forum, many people still don't get what that means. You make a thread, post, there is a reply option people can use. There was a new gltd forum some of you posted in, it looks like it died, kind of like what overall new gtld count is doing. I think one of the owners or mods gave up on new gtlds and went into crypto. Don't remember.

Also, when somebody posts ridiculous stuff or doesn't know history, it's bound to happen somebody will point that out.

I always find it funny when people mention Google is behind this or that. Somebody's whose registrar is still in Beta and have ridiculous strings like .boo. They don't know much history, like how many times they've failed and at some big things. It's surprising to even me with all that money and talent, but one of their failures cost me a lot of work. There was a good affiliate network named Performics, had some big brands, some good people behind it. Google bought them and a few years later shut the whole thing down. Didn't even properly notify the merchants, they heard about it from affiliates. All those merchants had to find a new network, all those affiliates had to change out links. Simply use Google to find out all their failures.

Then some of the most ridiculous stuff I've ever read comes from new gtld registries, those buying new gtlds. We're going to be the next .com. Or .com is a horse, new gtlds cars. .com is VHS, new gtlds are dvds or blu-rays, crazy stuff.

In this very thread, multiple people have called new gtlds new tech, innovation. Crazy stuff. You invite others with that type of stuff.

 

[Brands.International]

I don't consider this a genuine post from you. I'll explain.

Every time you start another new gtld thread, in the very first post you'll have something about .com, like your recent one. I think you like baiting, egging on what you consider .commers, even tho many invest in new gltd themselves or in the past. See it worked again

Also, what we've gone over many times. When somebody in a forum makes claims, it's natural to question them. Like selling new gtlds. See my example in the other thread if somebody made a post about how to climb Mt. Everest.

I will point out any legit forum software comes with an ignore feature. Every one of us probably annoys somebody else/many people. That option takes care of that. This forum also needs an ignore thread/forum option.

I will also point out this is a discussion forum, many people still don't get what that means. You make a thread, post, there is a reply option people can use. There was a new gltd forum some of you posted in, it looks like it died, kind of like what overall new gtld count is doing. I think one of the owners or mods gave up on new gtlds and went into crypto. Don't remember.

Also, when somebody posts ridiculous stuff or doesn't know history, it's bound to happen somebody will point that out.

I always find it funny when people mention Google is behind this or that. Somebody's whose registrar is still in Beta and have ridiculous strings like .boo. They don't know much history, like how many times they've failed and at some big things. It's surprising to even me with all that money and talent, but one of their failures cost me a lot of work. There was a good affiliate network named Performics, had some big brands, some good people behind it. Google bought them and a few years later shut the whole thing down. Didn't even properly notify the merchants, they heard about it from affiliates. All those merchants had to find a new network, all those affiliates had to change out links. Simply use Google to find out all their failures.

Then some of the most ridiculous stuff I've ever read comes from new gtld registries, those buying new gtlds. We're going to be the next .com. Or .com is a horse, new gtlds cars. .com is VHS, new gtlds are dvds or blu-rays, crazy stuff.

In this very thread, multiple people have called new gtlds new tech, innovation. Crazy stuff. You invite others with that type of stuff.

JB, so what is your motivation, the green one, or the orange one? I am just really curious and would appreciate short and truthful answer from you

 

[Brands.International]

OK. I gave your seemingly 'Sarcastic' first answer and no-doubt your true belief second answer a bit of thought. But with yes, 20+ years of domaining under my belt. I would certainly be right in there. Without even looking I've equally no-doubt i could put together an impressive looking list (I do focus on up and coming technologies) in areas that have been very profitable for me and aren't really the obvious stuff. IF I had a reason to believe it was an opportunity. I've certainly got the money and time

But, no I can understand your 'jealousy' wording/belief attack but. the reality is already out there. These ntld launches were about making money from the speculators, nothing more, A double your money exercise. (one of the reasons they all went out in pretty-much one bite) Not a futuristic plan for the internets naming space.

Yes I will do/add anything I can to counter the misinformation of the gullible.
Look, I will stay away from individual sales threads, (as per rules) and general attempts to sell But, I will come in as and When I read 'This is the Future Stuff' because it's bollocks and newbies may believe that spin

Hope that's a good enough answer for you, Always Willing to let reality do my talking for me

I believe there will indeed be a few successful enterprises launched under the ntlds but that success will come from the sales proposition not, the domain (as is always the case)

@BaileyUK so I assume from what I read that your motivation is green, correct? Not even a bit of orange?

Look, I 100% respect when someone believe into something which I do not believe. But it must be their true believe, and no hidden agenda. So if you genuinely believe what you believe, I am always glad to meet in debates here, we simply have different opinions about future of domains, but we can respect each other nicely I guess.

I will tell you about me: I am mix of green and orange. Which means I really believe in success of new gTLDs, while I am also heavily invested in them (I have link to my porftolio visible to everyone who is a NP member, and when you click on it, you will see portfolio full of new gTLDs. So at least you know my agenda when you speak with me

 

[NickB]

This thread has yet again shown the dividing line......

I am a firm believer in that advertising your services will bring in better results, this imo would be best through non traditional channels for gtld's...

What I find interesting is that personally I am moving away from the gtld space and focusing more on .com and a few co.uk names (being from the UK I find this worth pursuing).

This is not only because of (experienced) peoples opinion on here, but also from looking into the data and not wanting/willing to wait for the gtld market to become mainstream (if it ever does) - it is not a risk I am willing to take - I will keep a handful of names, but will no longer be looking to purchase/reg anymore

I am not in this market to be a visionary or a trendsetter, I want gradual improvements which will can be measured in sales and I personally feel this can be achieved better without gtld's.

I will not insult or mock those choose to invest in this space or try and change their opinion (which is pointless) but I have decided it is not for me.

On the flip side I will not be trying to push .com as the only worthwhile investment avenue (again pointless)

Whatever floats your boat and makes you happy....go ahead and get on with it