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The best way to find out if BR or BB are a good playform to sell your domains, approach them as an end user and see how quickly they respond, how hard they try to sell you a domain, and whether or not they are professional.
To your first comment, we now have a bulk domain upload option for special account holders. Contact me if you would like me to review your account for this setup. To your comment on d)... This is essentially why we have held back from taking on any "ambassadors".
BB to clarify? I thought we were about BR?
To kniw such thing doesnt exist is good and the kinda answer I was looking for.
This is the first time I'm bringing this up on NP but I have to say I had a similar experience to the above. About a year ago I "applied" to be a BR seller. I received no response. I was a newbie and my names were low quality so a rejection notice would have been understandable but I never received even the courtesy of a rejection email or even an email saying there was a backlog and it might take several months to review my names etc. Then, out of the blue several months later, after I'd established a nice sized portfolio at BrandBucket I was invited to be a BR seller. I went to the BR platform and created an account. I had to do it twice because the first time it didn't take. Then I submitted some names but I also had problems with the names submissions so I just gave up. A month later Michael Radar extended a personal invitation asking me to move all my names from BB to BR but I declined as I am happy where I am. I'm glad that some sellers are having good success with sales at BRoot and I think that competition is good in any marketplace. However, prompt and courteous communication is important to me and BrandBucket offers that in spades (and sales too). So I've become a dedicated BrandBucket seller and I no longer list my names at any other brandable marketplaces.
BR just stated they aren't accepting applications for their designer / domainer program. So what more is there to look into for BR's designer / domainer program?
BB, meanwhile, urges desinger / domainers to apply to be a logo designer, but they have not publicly confirmed the benefits. I am wondering if it makes sense for my friend to apply, so I can work directly with her to ensure the quality is to my standard. When I was publishing in bulk with BB, it was sickening when I'd see multiple domains published at a time with very similar non unique concept designs. I would never have approved them for publishing, and if they refuse to fix the logo's, what accountability do they have towards logo quality?
Just because something doesn't exist today, doesn't mean it won't exist tomorrow. If you are able to provide a high quality concept logo (with full original rights, that meets marketplace size and standards) why shouldn't you be able to use it to compete against other designer / sellers? I could be completely wrong about the logo's here. Has anybody done a logo study? How many of these companies retain the logo? Are there any similarities between domains sold and their logo's?
As for BB , Did they even mention the designer gets any benefits other than the logo fee?
Which logo fee? The $5 upfront option per logo, or the $100-$500 reward if the domain sells?
I'm still waiting for a public clarification on the benefits.
The designers of BR payung $5 for their OWN listings... as BR said
""2) We are extremely picky on who we accept as logo designers and currently we are not taking on any others as we do not have a current need, but yes logo designers pay only $5 for listing fees. ""
Ok, while this is something I don't agree with, I appreciate BR publicly confirming their designer / seller benefits. Now we know. They don't have a current need for new designers. If enough br sellers wish to become designer / sellers, then br can reevaluate, and open up this program up to other sellers if they feel the benefit of these new designer / sellers will help their business and margins.
Now, I, and other, are waiting for a public response from bb, just as br was kind enough to be transparent with their designer / seller program. I have had several private conversations, and one answer has came up more than once. Once bb clarifies, other volume domainers can then make an informed approach on how to handle their brandable domain portfolio and listing fee's.
Evwn though they...BR..confirmed ....it is still bot good as it removes the whole point which you said BB is not following...being far to all sellers.
Now.BR is not fair ....when you add the buld submission which BR said needs account by accouny review which is again unfair.
With these two points ... I think we can say BR equal BB if we want to talk about certain sellers getting prferential treatment.
I'm sure BR is great for sellers who are already listed there, but @Grilled - it seems like you're trying to pump their tires to new sellers. And I don't know why. I think it's just going to lead to a lot of frustrated domainers getting soured on BR when they don't get a response, or have to wait in a very long line to be approved.
This thread has been an interesting read. I'm relatively new to domaining, and to brandables, but lately I've been getting a much better handle on what makes a good brandable name.
For the last couple weeks I've been submitting exclusively hand-reg/deleted domains to BB, with 8 of my last 15 submissions having been accepted.
What I'm hearing about BR is that:
What this means is that the only way BR will ever welcome me, is if I've already paid my dues and built a portfolio with BB. But much like @Keith DeBoer, if/when that time comes, BB will have my loyalty for giving me a chance and responding to my submissions in a timely fashion.
- As a newcomer, my domains will not be looked at because I have no clout in the industry.
- The BR backlog basically guarantees that even my good names won't be considered for several months (if ever).
BR doesn't sound very appealing.
I'm sure BR is great for sellers who are already listed there, but @Grilled - it seems like you're trying to pump their tires to new sellers. And I don't know why. I think it's just going to lead to a lot of frustrated domainers getting soured on BR when they don't get a response, or have to wait in a very long line to be approved.
It's a shame BR can't manage inventory and communication a bit better, because they need the loyalty of people like me, who are willing to put in the time and effort of learning this trade and finding great names that we're willing to list on one of these marketplaces.
So to confirm... my previous stance of BR > BB is not true because BR doesn't allow the designer / seller program to all? In which case, BR can't be considered more fair than BB, thus BR = BB in terms of fairness?
I had something of this nature approved for my account a few months ago, and still, I only decided to move forward with listing 24 domains. Heck, I even paid BB $10 to list an old BR domain that I assume br would have considered relisting because they had already completed a logo and description for this domain. I'm unsure if they could reuse the logo, given they sold it to a customer a few years back. My recent br sale sparked an interest to reconsider listing more domains with br. But, given the other options, marginally speaking, I'm still hesitant to invest in br listing fee's, given the industries other options.
This is a fair hypothesis. More evidence could further sway the two, but if you're saying both marketplaces have certain sellers benefiting more than other sellers, than based on what has been presented, I would agree.
Of course , I still see only assumtption that BB is giving preferential treatment to some sellers namely their managing director. I am yet to see any clear cut evidance as the two points of BR
Perhaps, you could give me a link to post or such evidance.
I'm not sure what you're asking for. Are you asking for the specifics of BB or BR preferential treatment?
Are you asking for the specifics of BB or BR preferential treatment?
No. BB please. BR I can clearly see it.
2) We are extremely picky on who we accept as logo designers and currently we are not taking on any others as we do not have a current need, but yes logo designers pay only $5 for listing fees. For the same reason that we are not taking on too many sellers, we are not taking on too many designers. We want the few designers that we have to be very successful as opposed to countless designers making a sell every now and then.
Do you have an account with Brandroot?
Thanks for replying but I uave never received any email from you...EVER.
More than one year I sent names to you and I even told you about this more months through PM here , which you never replied. Before three or four days I again submitted names using an email I have never used and so far I received nothing evwn though I submitted to BB pn the same day and time and yesterday BB sent me some as rejected and some as accepted.
Dont know what is wrong with the system but it appears to just mark every email that is used to submiy and never sends out any password. I evwn tried password reset and it says no such email on system then I try to submit using the same email and it tells me this email already exists.
This is the first time I talked about this publicly cause I wanted people to see that all is not good in BR.
Now plz, what are you going to say about this?
We are however working on other incentives for our sellers, like Brandlytics and a NameScore assigned to each name that determines it's placement in our search results. We want to soon do away with the newest to oldest sorting method. Instead we will be rewarding names that receive real traffic, inquiries, offers, visits, favorites, etc.
I'd be happy to after BB confirms their designer / seller program did as BrandRoot did. Though, BR did not confirm or deny if the designer / sellers were still required to pay a logo reward of $100 - $500. I assume they don't if they were the one's who provided the logo.
I'm sorry @Abdullah Abdullah your response to BRs question was very confusing. Are you currently a BrandRoot seller or not? In all fairness, I would rather debate the two marketplaces with people who have experience in both, though, I appreciate everybody who share's their individual experience with the marketplace.
I'm interested to know more about brandlytics. Is this something similar to a google adword script? Will it show internal searches such as those who found the domain through categories? Obviously, I don't expect to know the secret sauce, but like everything else, I have questions.
On another note, though I haven't used it, I appreciate the internal chat BrandRoot has provided to their sellers. I don't know the exact purpose, but given they allow you to transfer domains between account holder, I imagine it could be used as a private way for sellers to resell some of their BrandRoot domains.
what I shared here is a very big part of what makes a company good or bad
This is the first time I'm bringing this up on NP but I have to say I had a similar experience to the above. About a year ago I "applied" to be a BR seller. I received no response. I was a newbie and my names were low quality so a rejection notice would have been understandable but I never received even the courtesy of a rejection email or even an email saying there was a backlog and it might take several months to review my names etc. Then, out of the blue several months later, after I'd established a nice sized portfolio at BrandBucket I was invited to be a BR seller. I went to the BR platform and created an account. I had to do it twice because the first time it didn't take. Then I submitted some names but I also had problems with the names submissions so I just gave up. A month later Michael Radar extended a personal invitation asking me to move all my names from BB to BR but I declined as I am happy where I am. I'm glad that some sellers are having good success with sales at BRoot and I think that competition is good in any marketplace. However, prompt and courteous communication is important to me and BrandBucket offers that in spades (and sales too). So I've become a dedicated BrandBucket seller and I no longer list my names at any other brandable marketplaces.
This thread has been an interesting read. I'm relatively new to domaining, and to brandables, but lately I've been getting a much better handle on what makes a good brandable name.
For the last couple weeks I've been submitting exclusively hand-reg/deleted domains to BB, with 8 of my last 15 submissions having been accepted.
What I'm hearing about BR is that:
What this means is that the only way BR will ever welcome me, is if I've already paid my dues and built a portfolio with BB. But much like @Keith DeBoer, if/when that time comes, BB will have my loyalty for giving me a chance and responding to my submissions in a timely fashion.
- As a newcomer, my domains will not be looked at because I have no clout in the industry.
- The BR backlog basically guarantees that even my good names won't be considered for several months (if ever).
BR doesn't sound very appealing.
I'm sure BR is great for sellers who are already listed there, but @Grilled - it seems like you're trying to pump their tires to new sellers. And I don't know why. I think it's just going to lead to a lot of frustrated domainers getting soured on BR when they don't get a response, or have to wait in a very long line to be approved.
It's a shame BR can't manage inventory and communication a bit better, because they need the loyalty of people like me, who are willing to put in the time and effort of learning this trade and finding great names that we're willing to list on one of these marketplaces.
As for "prompt and courteous communication" I'm not sure where you saw/experienced this deficiency, but if you did please understand we are still a startup with tons on our plate, buyers (the ones who keep us in business) take precedence over other issues since our resources were (and still are in some respects) limited. If you were to go back in time and consider the BB communication experience during their beginning years, you would find it was awful and sometimes straight-up rude, again a huge part of the reason I started Brandroot. Our communication is far ahead of where there's was at at this time.
Congrats!!Just got my BR acceptance email.
$10 fees tho...
Hi Keith, I apologize for the lack of communication and problems on your seller application. This was a gate we put up immediately after we ran into a very expensive PR issue that cost us some reputation with a big buyer and a financial loss for our company. Since this implementation we have had almost no issues with unethical/problem sellers.
As for "prompt and courteous communication" I'm not sure where you saw/experienced this deficiency, but if you did please understand we are still a startup with tons on our plate, buyers (the ones who keep us in business) take precedence over other issues since our resources were (and still are in some respects) limited. If you were to go back in time and consider the BB communication experience during their beginning years, you would find it was awful and sometimes straight-up rude, again a huge part of the reason I started Brandroot. Our communication is far ahead of where there's was at at this time.
Hi Joe(?), thank you for your message. I understand your points and I happen to have some extra time to write.
"What this means is that the only way BR will ever welcome me, is if I've already paid my dues and built a portfolio with BB."
No. We do periodically review applications but we we are unable to do it very often because we don't want to be become a marketplace that has more names than we can reasonably sell. The reason we see so many people leaving BB is because of their lack of sales. Even their few names at Brandroot are selling while their majority of names listed at BB are lost in the shuffle. We can't possibly make the same mistake that BB has. They decided to start listing thousands of names per month.
"It's a shame BR can't manage inventory and communication a bit better"
Our communication is just fine. This is an issue primarily about seller applicants. You'll find little to no complaints from our sellers about our communication. And we manage our inventory very intentionally. A mismanaged inventory is what we see at BB. Our inventory grows as we grow. We are nearly doubling our number of sales from last year so our goal is to double our inventory. BrandBucket however panicked when they lost traction with search engines so they began accepting anything and everything to monetize at least on type-in traffic. Their poor sales rate is a testament to this. They expanded because their company wasn't, Brandroot will expand as the company does.
A mismanaged inventory is one where you have warehouses full of unsold stock. The longer that inventory sits the more that stock is devalued and/or restless. In the case of BB, it's both. As sellers become restless, waiting for that periodic sale, they are renewing their domains, devaluing their domain portfolio. This is why Brandroot is seeing so many sellers move to us. So why do we accept/charm them over to us instead of accepting new sellers to grow?
I could go on more but that's enough I think. We accept new sellers when we have a deficiency of sellers who don't have the numbers we are looking for. If you have the number and you're interested PM me.
- They are trusted, seasoned sellers and they tend to buy mostly attractive names that are more likely to attract our buyers.
- They have the numbers. When we are trying to expand our inventory with our sales growth we want to do it fairly quickly. In 2016 we will over double our inventory from last year, which is planned and intentional. We are able to do this because of the many BB sellers who have moved to us, not because of the new sellers who have a handful of domains. But also numbers suggests maturity and discipline in the business.
- They are restless. They are ready to try a different method and it's unlikely they will move again.
- They cause less trouble. Maybe that sounds overcritical or overgeneralized but it really is true (at least for us). When we were accepting tons of new sellers it was difficult to track and manage...
- People were selling names and leaving them published at Brandroot.
- Many were allowing their domains to expire because it was more of a fickle hobby they dabbled in for a short time.
- We had many people who had 10 or less published domains and they were the most demanding and disappointed about a lack in sales. This wasted way too much of our limited time.
- BB is where they are at. Most brandable domainers with a significant number of domains are already with BB. So that is naturally where we have to look in order to grow our marketplace, which has worked thus far.
"BB will have my loyalty for giving me a chance and responding to my submissions in a timely fashion"
This is honorable of you but you'll soon find it's the money that talks. BB's immediate response is in their best interest. If they were slow then they may lose your domain sale to someone who types it in before it gets listed with them. But I do wish you the best of luck with them. Of course there are many who are successful at BB. We have referred countless interested sellers to list with BB. They obviously have the systems and processes in place to handle any number of sellers.
In the last few minutes I've received 81 emails from BrandRoot. Three were addressed to me and the 78 others were addressed to other sellers and included their real life name, their username and their email address. The 81 emails were divided into three subject headings:
I'm sure this is due to a system error but just curious did anyone else get these 81 emails?
- Please Verify Your Account at BrandRoot (18)
- A Seller Account Has Been Closed (30)
- Your Seller Account Has Been Closed (33)
PS @Doron Vermaat, you were one of the recipients listed in one of the emails. Did you get this giant set of emails too?