BrandBucket VS BrandRoot - Which one do you think is better?

[Justin Matmor]

The best way to find out if BR or BB are a good playform to sell your domains, approach them as an end user and see how quickly they respond, how hard they try to sell you a domain, and whether or not they are professional.

 

[Grilled]

I've never seen BR publish data about there sales. Can you point to someplace where where I can see it? Thanks!

Just google: "sold" site:brandroot.com

That's how I found my then BrandBucket published domain (new reg from expireds) was previously sold on BrandRoot.

@Dnbolt had published a list of BrandRoots sales. I am unsure of how they were obtained. I ran an audit of these domains, found a few details that I would like to look into, and ask BR for further comment before saying anything about it publicly. Michael offered a fair explanation to the history of my domain, and historical screenshots backed the dates he provided.

My computer just crashed, so I'll have to re run the audit. I'm not sure if I still have the data. If not, I hope @Dnbolt will work with me to analyze the data.

 

[Recons.Com]

I've never seen BR publish data about there sales. Can you point to someplace where where I can see it? Thanks!

Those threads are few hundred pages long. I remember it happened when BB number of 81 sales for a month was mentioned. Don't know if it got edited or is still here.

I found the post where BR states that their sell through is higher than BB's 4% annualized for that month (BB's number went to 2.8% for April).

It's interesting how that number is higher at Brandroot. They have heaps more names than we do, yet their turnover rate is lower? BB is no doubt monetizing quite a bit on type-in traffic. If Brandroot lost traction on Google I guess we would take on 10's of thousands more names to get more type-in traffic sales. Pretty smart.

 

[Keith DeBoer]

Just google: "sold" site:brandroot.com

That's how I found my then BrandBucket published domain (new reg) was previously sold on BrandRoot.

@Dnbolt had published a list of BrandRoots sales. I am unsure of how they were obtained. I ran an audit of these domains, found a few details that I would like to look into, and ask BR for further comment before saying anything about it publicly. Michael offered a fair explanation to the history of my domain, and historical screenshots backed the dates he provided.

Thanks Grilled. That's the workaround to get DNbolt's estimation of what BR sold.

But Recon says BR doesn't cook its data. I'm saying what data? To my knowledge BR has never published any data. If they have, then someone please provide a link. I'd like to see it.

 

[Grilled]

My computer just crashed, so I'll have to re run the audit. I'm not sure if I still have the data. If not, I hope @Dnbolt will work with me to analyze the data.

Luckily, I used the cloud.

For those who don't know what I'm talking about, see: dnbolt.com/brandrootsales

 

[Grilled]

But Recon says BR doesn't cook its data. I'm saying what data? To my knowledge BR has never published any data. If they have, then someone please provide a link. I'd like to see it.

@Keith DeBoer I say the following with all due respect, and not to discredit BB for the data they have released.

Just because BrandRoot hasn't released the data, doesn't mean the data does't exist. Sometimes we have to find it ourselves. Just as the sales were scraped from BB to reveal the disproportionate amount of sales MK was receiving, which in turn pumped up the marketplaces annual sale through rate that for a while depicted reseller value for newcomers.

 

[Keith DeBoer]

I found the post where BR states that their sell through is higher than BB's 4% annualized for that month

So let me get this straight.

1) The owner of BRoot made a comment on a domaining forum and claimed that the sell through rate for his marketplace is 4%. The context of the comment is the owner is trying to persuade BBucket sellers to switch to his marketplace. That's the data report?

2) Meanwhile, BBucket sends out a nationwide press release and gives actual numbers for its revenue and sales for 2015. This information is picked up and published in industry blogs in which BBucket specifies the exact number of domains it sold in 2015. No other marketplace has ever released such data or shown such transparency. Sources: TLD, DNgeek, and DomainName.

If you disagree please give me the links to the sales data published by BRoot and other brandable market places.

 

[JimJammy]

I'd like the data on how many names the owner of BR has too please.

 

[Recons.Com]

So let me get this straight.

1) The owner of BRoot made a comment on a domaining forum and claimed that the sell through rate for his marketplace is 4%. The context of the comment is the owner is trying to persuade BBucket sellers to switch to his marketplace. That's the data report?

2) Meanwhile, BBucket sends out a nationwide press release and gives actual numbers for its revenue and sales for 2015. This information is picked up and published in industry blogs in which BBucket specifies the exact number of domains it sold in 2015. No other marketplace has ever released such data or shown such transparency. Sources: TLD, DNgeek, and DomainName.

If you disagree please give me the links to the sales data published by BRoot and other brandable market places.

BR stated that its sell through is BETTER than 4% that was number for BB for a specific month, not EQUAL.

 

[Grilled]

I'd like the data on how many names the owner of BR has too please.

An important question to ask. A lot of people have been asking what's the limit for MK domains on BB, and the general consensus since he buys keyword domains that sell themselves is, the sky is the limit. Margot BB's owner, aka Boxador, even added another few hundred domains this past week if I'm not mistaken. MK has never answered when he would stop devaluing our brandable investments by continually hyping up sales and enticing other hopeful sellers to be like him but only via his bosses corrupt pay to play system.

Who knows more about BrandRoot paying your renewal fees? Doesn't this say, thanks for trying, we're sorry we didn't sell your domain in it's first year with BrandRoot.. Allow us to pay your renewal fee to compensate you for your initial listing fee? Does anyone have experience with this new policy? If so, please share.

 

[JimJammy]

They flip a coin.

Or they choose based on their interpretation of quality or what is most likely to sell.

I hope they never go down the same route as BR where you have to pay to be featured on top of their listing fees.

 

[Grilled]

I hope they never go down the same route as BR where you have to pay to be featured on top of their listing fees.

I would like to respond to this in the BrandBucket vs BrandRoot thread. I have asked the mods to move your post, so I can respond as to why I believe BrandRoot, like other marketplaces, have a paid featured section.

Thank you for understanding.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/brandbucket-vs-brandroot-which-one-do-you-think-is-better.946436/

 

[Grilled]

Or they choose based on their interpretation of quality or what is most likely to sell.

I hope they never go down the same route as BR where you have to pay to be featured on top of their listing fees.

I'd rather know I can pay for a premium listing than have no say on how and when my domains are approved for publishing. BB has several steps to their publishing process, the final being approving the logo and domain for publication. There have been many examples of @michaeljkrell owning a disproportionate enough of the home page compared to his % of owned domains. Why weekend publishing should be looked into? Several times, I have found BB doesn't update their home page domains on weekends. These domains receive more front page advertising then others. Would you agree that front page advertising is premium real estate space?

I know we're discussing the front page, and not logo's but since the publishing process has been brought up. Let me say that because BrandRoot doesn't have 29,000+ domains, they can afford to worry about the details. For instance, BrandRoot cares about logo quality ie they have reasonable measures to fix logos you're not satisfied with. Would you not say it's reasonable for BrandBucket to send the final review for publication to the domain owner? Doing such allows the listing to be published to the domain owners satisfaction, rather to the satisfaction of the director, or other insiders who happen to be your biggest competitor if you reduce yourself to only one brandable marketplace

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

I would say BB because they show professionalism. I submitted many domains to BR and I never received even a rejection email. I reached out to their rep her and never received replies too so professionalism is for me 90% of a company's image and success.

I stopped wasting my time with them after so many times of not replying. I am happy to submit 100 domains and get them rejected but to completely ignore someone even through PMs on NP is well.... you know.

 

[Grilled]

I would say BB because they show professionalism. I submitted many domains to BR and I never received even a rejection email. I reached out to their rep her and never received replies too so professionalism is for me 90% of a company's image and success.

I stopped wasting my time with them after so many times of not replying. I am happy to submit 100 domains and get them rejected but to completely ignore someone even through PMs on NP is well.... you know.

I'm sorry to hear about your BrandRoot experience, and thank you for sharing so they can now gain a greater understanding of some concerns. This is not to say they don't know it already, but feedback is feedback.

I would just hate for you to only have NamePros as a place for your rejects. I hope you list them with other marketplaces. It's a shame when people are offended to a point of believing there are no other enduser brandable marketplace options besides BrandBucket or NamePros.

NamePros is a great marketplace that I love as a reseller, but it is not my market for brandable endusers, unless of course they are brandbucket approved. I, for one can no longer in good conscious, submit my domains for brandbucket approval simply to allow those reduced to one brandable marketplace further blindly invest into marketplace listing fee's.

IMO, BrandBucket has a major policy issue that needs to be addressed. Size of Marketplace Vs Size of Free Listing Fees. BrandRoot's marketplace is still of manageable size, and it appears they are making steps to grow at a respectable rate in commensurate with their initial investors domain purchases and listing fee's.

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

I'm sorry to hear about your BrandRoot experience, and thank you for sharing so they can now gain a greater understanding of some concerns. This is not to say they don't know it already, but feedback is feedback.

I would just hate for you to only have NamePros as a place for your rejects. I hope you list them with other marketplaces. It's a shame when people are offended to a point of believing there are no other enduser brandable marketplace options besides BrandBucket or NamePros.

NamePros is a great marketplace that I love as a reseller, but it is not my market for brandable endusers, unless of course they are brandbucket approved. I, for one can no longer in good conscious, submit my domains for brandbucket approval simply to allow those reduced to one brandable marketplace further blindly invest into marketplace listing fee's.

IMO, BrandBucket has a major policy issue that needs to be addressed. Size of Marketplace Vs Size of Free Listing Fees. BrandRoot's marketplace is still of manageable size, and it appears they are making steps to grow at a respectable rate in commensurate with their initial investors domain purchases and listing fee's.

Thank you. Something is wrong with them I am sure cause such behavior is an acceptable in any business.

I never listed or sold any BB rejected domains on NP though I receive offers for some they rejected and I plan to actually make a site for my domains ...brandable ones which I have some and I can design logos on my own.


I always believe there are buyers and just because some marketplace rejected then it doesnt mean it is hopeless.

Getting back to the thread question, again I would say BB is way way ahead of BR just looking at the way their staff are conducting whether it is through email or skype.

 

[Grilled]

It's all very misleading...

This is my point, and concern.

the BrandRoot Mob (who are not members of BrandBucket) spend all of their time in this thread badmouthing BrandBucket instead of in their own thread posting all of their sales.

Something smells fishy to me...

An old fisherman saying, Those who fish, usually come home smelling like fish. IMO, the brandroot mob, as you call it, are people tired of watching a favored system take advantage of new investors who buy into the fact that a brandable domain is worth marketplace annual sales rate X suggested bb value. I say favored because, to me, and others, it doesn't seem like it's currently a fair system.

Maybe, there's more to it, but the way I see it, BrandRoot sells brandbucket rejected domains for X,XXX all the time. Those who have BR accounts, can easily buy BB reject domains for under market value, if they feel the domain is brandable, and list them with BR if approved.

Some are trying to inform the community, while others try to hype markets up. IMO, we all have something to gain, and some, not all, shouldn't throw rocks when standing inside a glass house... Remember why the three little pigs didn't build their house out of glass? They know, there's always a big bad wolf potentially hiding around the corner waiting to huff, puff, and blow the house down. Sticks and straw don't make for a sturdy house. A sturdy house, or brick, should be able to withstand any huffs or puffs from any big bad wolf.

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

This is my point, and concern.



An old fisherman saying, Those who fish, usually come home smelling like fish. IMO, the brandroot mob, as you call it, are people tired of watching a favored system take advantage of new investors who buy into the fact that a brandable domain is worth marketplace annual sales rate X suggested bb value. I say favored because, to me, and others, it doesn't seem like it's currently a fair system.

Maybe, there's more to it, but the way I see it, BrandRoot sells brandbucket rejected domains for X,XXX all the time. Those who have BR accounts, can easily buy BB reject domains for under market value, if they feel the domain is brandable, and list them with BR if approved.

Some are trying to inform the community, while others try to hype markets up. IMO, we all have something to gain, and some, not all, shouldn't throw rocks when standing inside a glass house... Remember why the three little pigs didn't build their house out of glass? They know, there's always a big bad wolf potentially hiding around the corner waiting to huff, puff, and blow the house down. Sticks and straw don't make for a sturdy house. A sturdy house, or brick, should be able to withstand any huffs or puffs from any big bad wolf.

I had strong urge to dislike your post but then I consulted with my position:D

Just out of curiosity, even though I already know , why is BB unfair compared to BR ?

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

I'd like the data on how many names the owner of BR has too please.

I would like to know this too if it hasnt been already mentioned.

 

[Grilled]

Just out of curiosity, even though I already know , why is BB unfair compared to BR ?

They are making strides for better exclusive marketplace standards. I have heard, though, still waiting for clarification @Brandroot:

1) Pays your renewals if you join their loyalty program

2) They have a logo designer / seller program that gives discount listing fee's of $5 + no back end logo fee.

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

They are making strides for better exclusive marketplace standards. I have heard, though, still waiting for clarification @Brandroot:

1) Pays your renewals if you join their loyalty program

2) They have a logo designer / seller program that gives discount listing fee's of $5 + no back end logo fee.

Pays my renewals? Nice

The logo designer part, do you mean if I apply as a logo designer for them I will receive discounts with my listings?