BrandBucket VS BrandRoot - Which one do you think is better?

[Justin Matmor]

The best way to find out if BR or BB are a good playform to sell your domains, approach them as an end user and see how quickly they respond, how hard they try to sell you a domain, and whether or not they are professional.

 

[Grilled]

I'm sure BR is great for sellers who are already listed there, but @Grilled - it seems like you're trying to pump their tires to new sellers. And I don't know why. I think it's just going to lead to a lot of frustrated domainers getting soured on BR when they don't get a response, or have to wait in a very long line to be approved.

@Joeguy1014 Thanks for chiming in! I appreciate the way you laid out your experience, and views of the marketplaces.

My point is not to pump BR tires, but to spark interesting debate between competition. Rather, than a previous BR strategy of accepting BB published portfolio's, I'd rather marketplaces consider their sellers equally and let sales, polices, and profit margins pump up their own tires.

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

This thread has been an interesting read. I'm relatively new to domaining, and to brandables, but lately I've been getting a much better handle on what makes a good brandable name.

For the last couple weeks I've been submitting exclusively hand-reg/deleted domains to BB, with 8 of my last 15 submissions having been accepted.

What I'm hearing about BR is that:

1. As a newcomer, my domains will not be looked at because I have no clout in the industry.
2. The BR backlog basically guarantees that even my good names won't be considered for several months (if ever).

What this means is that the only way BR will ever welcome me, is if I've already paid my dues and built a portfolio with BB. But much like @Keith DeBoer, if/when that time comes, BB will have my loyalty for giving me a chance and responding to my submissions in a timely fashion.

BR doesn't sound very appealing.

I'm sure BR is great for sellers who are already listed there, but @Grilled - it seems like you're trying to pump their tires to new sellers. And I don't know why. I think it's just going to lead to a lot of frustrated domainers getting soured on BR when they don't get a response, or have to wait in a very long line to be approved.

It's a shame BR can't manage inventory and communication a bit better, because they need the loyalty of people like me, who are willing to put in the time and effort of learning this trade and finding great names that we're willing to list on one of these marketplaces.

I am glad you came to this conclussion. This thread and the bashing of some of BB made me finally share what I have been through with BR and I was happy Keith also confirmed my claims( they are claims to some :p)

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

So to confirm... my previous stance of BR > BB is not true because BR doesn't allow the designer / seller program to all? In which case, BR can't be considered more fair than BB, thus BR = BB in terms of fairness?



I had something of this nature approved for my account a few months ago, and still, I only decided to move forward with listing 24 domains. Heck, I even paid BB $10 to list an old BR domain that I assume br would have considered relisting because they had already completed a logo and description for this domain. I'm unsure if they could reuse the logo, given they sold it to a customer a few years back. My recent br sale sparked an interest to reconsider listing more domains with br. But, given the other options, marginally speaking, I'm still hesitant to invest in br listing fee's, given the industries other options.



This is a fair hypothesis. More evidence could further sway the two, but if you're saying both marketplaces have certain sellers benefiting more than other sellers, than based on what has been presented, I would agree.

Of course , I still see only assumtption that BB is giving preferential treatment to some sellers namely their managing director. I am yet to see any clear cut evidance as the two points of BR

Perhaps, you could give me a link to post or such evidance.

 

[Grilled]

Of course , I still see only assumtption that BB is giving preferential treatment to some sellers namely their managing director. I am yet to see any clear cut evidance as the two points of BR

Perhaps, you could give me a link to post or such evidance.

I'm not sure what you're asking for. Are you asking for the specifics of BB or BR preferential treatment?

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

I'm not sure what you're asking for. Are you asking for the specifics of BB or BR preferential treatment?

No. BB please. BR I can clearly see it.

 

[Grilled]

Are you asking for the specifics of BB or BR preferential treatment?

No. BB please. BR I can clearly see it.

I'd be happy to after BB confirms their designer / seller program as BR just did.

2) We are extremely picky on who we accept as logo designers and currently we are not taking on any others as we do not have a current need, but yes logo designers pay only $5 for listing fees. For the same reason that we are not taking on too many sellers, we are not taking on too many designers. We want the few designers that we have to be very successful as opposed to countless designers making a sell every now and then.

Though, BR did not confirm or deny if the designer / sellers were still required to pay a logo reward of $100 - $500. I assume they don't since the seller / designer provided the logo.

Do you have an account with Brandroot?

Thanks for replying but I uave never received any email from you...EVER.

More than one year I sent names to you and I even told you about this more months through PM here , which you never replied. Before three or four days I again submitted names using an email I have never used and so far I received nothing evwn though I submitted to BB pn the same day and time and yesterday BB sent me some as rejected and some as accepted.


Dont know what is wrong with the system but it appears to just mark every email that is used to submiy and never sends out any password. I evwn tried password reset and it says no such email on system then I try to submit using the same email and it tells me this email already exists.


This is the first time I talked about this publicly cause I wanted people to see that all is not good in BR.


Now plz, what are you going to say about this?

I'm sorry @Abdullah Abdullah your response to BRs question was very confusing. Are you currently a BrandRoot seller or not? In all fairness, I would rather debate the two marketplaces with people who have direct experience with both, though, I appreciate everybody who share's their individual experience from each respective marketplace.

We are however working on other incentives for our sellers, like Brandlytics and a NameScore assigned to each name that determines it's placement in our search results. We want to soon do away with the newest to oldest sorting method. Instead we will be rewarding names that receive real traffic, inquiries, offers, visits, favorites, etc.

I'm interested to know more about brandlytics. Is this something similar to a google adword script? Will it show internal searches such as those who found the domain through categories? Obviously, I don't expect to know the secret sauce, but like everything else, I have questions.

On another note, though I haven't used it, I appreciate the internal chat BrandRoot has provided to their sellers. I don't know the exact purpose, but given they allow you to transfer domains between account holder, I imagine it could be used as a private way for sellers to resell some of their BrandRoot domains.

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

I'd be happy to after BB confirms their designer / seller program did as BrandRoot did. Though, BR did not confirm or deny if the designer / sellers were still required to pay a logo reward of $100 - $500. I assume they don't if they were the one's who provided the logo.





I'm sorry @Abdullah Abdullah your response to BRs question was very confusing. Are you currently a BrandRoot seller or not? In all fairness, I would rather debate the two marketplaces with people who have experience in both, though, I appreciate everybody who share's their individual experience with the marketplace.



I'm interested to know more about brandlytics. Is this something similar to a google adword script? Will it show internal searches such as those who found the domain through categories? Obviously, I don't expect to know the secret sauce, but like everything else, I have questions.

On another note, though I haven't used it, I appreciate the internal chat BrandRoot has provided to their sellers. I don't know the exact purpose, but given they allow you to transfer domains between account holder, I imagine it could be used as a private way for sellers to resell some of their BrandRoot domains.

I am not BR seller. I have submitted domains many many times and didnt even receive submission/rejection/acceptance email.

I have tried different emails cause it appears their system syimply records your email and considers it as registered the very next time you want to submit again. I requested password reset and it says no such email. So there are big flaws with their system....atleast to me and to Keith since it happened to him too.


I know may comments are not favoring BR and perhaps you want to rule me out since I am not a seller on their platform but what I shared here is a very big part of what makes a company good or bad.

If you are not replying to your potential users and customers ( I say customers cause they need me and I need them if they bring buyers) then something is very much wrong with the company.

So You will have to bear with me then cause until they fix such issues and also the two clear cut certain sellers given preferential treatment issue , I will consider ( I genuinely believe would be the right way to say) BB to be million miles ahead of BR and this is not shame at all, in fact, they should aspire to be better than BB.

 

[Grilled]

what I shared here is a very big part of what makes a company good or bad

Thank you for sharing your opinion. Your feedback is humbling to hear as a BR seller. I feel privileged to be a BR seller, yet this entitlement alone, doesn't drive me to list more domains when the margins are still unclear to me, a 2016 seller. I rely on the feedback of others who have experience, and appreciate those who are honest with their margins.

I believe the debate between what makes a brandable marketplace, Good or Bad, is much more in depth than their decision to limit their sellers and designers. I plan on creating a new thread in the near future that will detail some of the factors, I believe, make up a strong marketplace. Though, to do so, this will take more research on my end, to gather as much facts as possible, so please bear with me on the publishing date.

 

[NameOffice.]

This is the first time I'm bringing this up on NP but I have to say I had a similar experience to the above. About a year ago I "applied" to be a BR seller. I received no response. I was a newbie and my names were low quality so a rejection notice would have been understandable but I never received even the courtesy of a rejection email or even an email saying there was a backlog and it might take several months to review my names etc. Then, out of the blue several months later, after I'd established a nice sized portfolio at BrandBucket I was invited to be a BR seller. I went to the BR platform and created an account. I had to do it twice because the first time it didn't take. Then I submitted some names but I also had problems with the names submissions so I just gave up. A month later Michael Radar extended a personal invitation asking me to move all my names from BB to BR but I declined as I am happy where I am. I'm glad that some sellers are having good success with sales at BRoot and I think that competition is good in any marketplace. However, prompt and courteous communication is important to me and BrandBucket offers that in spades (and sales too). So I've become a dedicated BrandBucket seller and I no longer list my names at any other brandable marketplaces.

Hi Keith, I apologize for the lack of communication and problems on your seller application. This was a gate we put up immediately after we ran into a very expensive PR issue that cost us some reputation with a big buyer and a financial loss for our company. Since this implementation we have had almost no issues with unethical/problem sellers.

As for "prompt and courteous communication" I'm not sure where you saw/experienced this deficiency, but if you did please understand we are still a startup with tons on our plate, buyers (the ones who keep us in business) take precedence over other issues since our resources were (and still are in some respects) limited. If you were to go back in time and consider the BB communication experience during their beginning years, you would find it was awful and sometimes straight-up rude, again a huge part of the reason I started Brandroot. Our communication is far ahead of where there's was at at this time.

This thread has been an interesting read. I'm relatively new to domaining, and to brandables, but lately I've been getting a much better handle on what makes a good brandable name.

For the last couple weeks I've been submitting exclusively hand-reg/deleted domains to BB, with 8 of my last 15 submissions having been accepted.

What I'm hearing about BR is that:

1. As a newcomer, my domains will not be looked at because I have no clout in the industry.
2. The BR backlog basically guarantees that even my good names won't be considered for several months (if ever).

What this means is that the only way BR will ever welcome me, is if I've already paid my dues and built a portfolio with BB. But much like @Keith DeBoer, if/when that time comes, BB will have my loyalty for giving me a chance and responding to my submissions in a timely fashion.

BR doesn't sound very appealing.

I'm sure BR is great for sellers who are already listed there, but @Grilled - it seems like you're trying to pump their tires to new sellers. And I don't know why. I think it's just going to lead to a lot of frustrated domainers getting soured on BR when they don't get a response, or have to wait in a very long line to be approved.

It's a shame BR can't manage inventory and communication a bit better, because they need the loyalty of people like me, who are willing to put in the time and effort of learning this trade and finding great names that we're willing to list on one of these marketplaces.

Hi Joe(?), thank you for your message. I understand your points and I happen to have some extra time to write.

"What this means is that the only way BR will ever welcome me, is if I've already paid my dues and built a portfolio with BB."

No. We do periodically review applications but we we are unable to do it very often because we don't want to be become a marketplace that has more names than we can reasonably sell. The reason we see so many people leaving BB is because of their lack of sales. Even their few names at Brandroot are selling while their majority of names listed at BB are lost in the shuffle. We can't possibly make the same mistake that BB has. They decided to start listing thousands of names per month.

"It's a shame BR can't manage inventory and communication a bit better"

Our communication is just fine. This is an issue primarily about seller applicants. You'll find little to no complaints from our sellers about our communication. And we manage our inventory very intentionally. A mismanaged inventory is what we see at BB. Our inventory grows as we grow. We are nearly doubling our number of sales from last year so our goal is to double our inventory. BrandBucket however panicked when they lost traction with search engines so they began accepting anything and everything to monetize at least on type-in traffic. Their poor sales rate is a testament to this. They expanded because their company wasn't, Brandroot will expand as the company does.

A mismanaged inventory is one where you have warehouses full of unsold stock. The longer that inventory sits the more that stock is devalued and/or restless. In the case of BB, it's both. As sellers become restless, waiting for that periodic sale, they are renewing their domains, devaluing their domain portfolio. This is why Brandroot is seeing so many sellers move to us. So why do we accept/charm them over to us instead of accepting new sellers to grow?

1. They are trusted, seasoned sellers and they tend to buy mostly attractive names that are more likely to attract our buyers.
2. They have the numbers. When we are trying to expand our inventory with our sales growth we want to do it fairly quickly. In 2016 we will over double our inventory from last year, which is planned and intentional. We are able to do this because of the many BB sellers who have moved to us, not because of the new sellers who have a handful of domains. But also numbers suggests maturity and discipline in the business.
3. They are restless. They are ready to try a different method and it's unlikely they will move again.
4. They cause less trouble. Maybe that sounds overcritical or overgeneralized but it really is true (at least for us). When we were accepting tons of new sellers it was difficult to track and manage...
   1. People were selling names and leaving them published at Brandroot.
   2. Many were allowing their domains to expire because it was more of a fickle hobby they dabbled in for a short time.
   3. We had many people who had 10 or less published domains and they were the most demanding and disappointed about a lack in sales. This wasted way too much of our limited time.
5. BB is where they are at. Most brandable domainers with a significant number of domains are already with BB. So that is naturally where we have to look in order to grow our marketplace, which has worked thus far.

I could go on more but that's enough I think. We accept new sellers when we have a deficiency of sellers who don't have the numbers we are looking for. If you have the number and you're interested PM me.

"BB will have my loyalty for giving me a chance and responding to my submissions in a timely fashion"

This is honorable of you but you'll soon find it's the money that talks. BB's immediate response is in their best interest. If they were slow then they may lose your domain sale to someone who types it in before it gets listed with them. But I do wish you the best of luck with them. Of course there are many who are successful at BB. We have referred countless interested sellers to list with BB. They obviously have the systems and processes in place to handle any number of sellers.

 

[Beezy]

Just got my BR acceptance email.

$10 fees tho...

 

[Keith DeBoer]

As for "prompt and courteous communication" I'm not sure where you saw/experienced this deficiency, but if you did please understand we are still a startup with tons on our plate, buyers (the ones who keep us in business) take precedence over other issues since our resources were (and still are in some respects) limited. If you were to go back in time and consider the BB communication experience during their beginning years, you would find it was awful and sometimes straight-up rude, again a huge part of the reason I started Brandroot. Our communication is far ahead of where there's was at at this time.

Hi Michael, Thanks for the response. In my prior message I was saying that I found BBs communication style to be "prompt and courteous" and was drawn to that. While BRoot has been a little lacking in the prompt area, all my communications with you have been very professional and I did not mean to imply otherwise.

 

[Keith DeBoer]

Just got my BR acceptance email.

$10 fees tho...

Congrats!!

 

[Joe N]

Hi Keith, I apologize for the lack of communication and problems on your seller application. This was a gate we put up immediately after we ran into a very expensive PR issue that cost us some reputation with a big buyer and a financial loss for our company. Since this implementation we have had almost no issues with unethical/problem sellers.

As for "prompt and courteous communication" I'm not sure where you saw/experienced this deficiency, but if you did please understand we are still a startup with tons on our plate, buyers (the ones who keep us in business) take precedence over other issues since our resources were (and still are in some respects) limited. If you were to go back in time and consider the BB communication experience during their beginning years, you would find it was awful and sometimes straight-up rude, again a huge part of the reason I started Brandroot. Our communication is far ahead of where there's was at at this time.





Hi Joe(?), thank you for your message. I understand your points and I happen to have some extra time to write.

"What this means is that the only way BR will ever welcome me, is if I've already paid my dues and built a portfolio with BB."

No. We do periodically review applications but we we are unable to do it very often because we don't want to be become a marketplace that has more names than we can reasonably sell. The reason we see so many people leaving BB is because of their lack of sales. Even their few names at Brandroot are selling while their majority of names listed at BB are lost in the shuffle. We can't possibly make the same mistake that BB has. They decided to start listing thousands of names per month.

"It's a shame BR can't manage inventory and communication a bit better"

Our communication is just fine. This is an issue primarily about seller applicants. You'll find little to no complaints from our sellers about our communication. And we manage our inventory very intentionally. A mismanaged inventory is what we see at BB. Our inventory grows as we grow. We are nearly doubling our number of sales from last year so our goal is to double our inventory. BrandBucket however panicked when they lost traction with search engines so they began accepting anything and everything to monetize at least on type-in traffic. Their poor sales rate is a testament to this. They expanded because their company wasn't, Brandroot will expand as the company does.

A mismanaged inventory is one where you have warehouses full of unsold stock. The longer that inventory sits the more that stock is devalued and/or restless. In the case of BB, it's both. As sellers become restless, waiting for that periodic sale, they are renewing their domains, devaluing their domain portfolio. This is why Brandroot is seeing so many sellers move to us. So why do we accept/charm them over to us instead of accepting new sellers to grow?

1. They are trusted, seasoned sellers and they tend to buy mostly attractive names that are more likely to attract our buyers.
2. They have the numbers. When we are trying to expand our inventory with our sales growth we want to do it fairly quickly. In 2016 we will over double our inventory from last year, which is planned and intentional. We are able to do this because of the many BB sellers who have moved to us, not because of the new sellers who have a handful of domains. But also numbers suggests maturity and discipline in the business.
3. They are restless. They are ready to try a different method and it's unlikely they will move again.
4. They cause less trouble. Maybe that sounds overcritical or overgeneralized but it really is true (at least for us). When we were accepting tons of new sellers it was difficult to track and manage...
   1. People were selling names and leaving them published at Brandroot.
   2. Many were allowing their domains to expire because it was more of a fickle hobby they dabbled in for a short time.
   3. We had many people who had 10 or less published domains and they were the most demanding and disappointed about a lack in sales. This wasted way too much of our limited time.
5. BB is where they are at. Most brandable domainers with a significant number of domains are already with BB. So that is naturally where we have to look in order to grow our marketplace, which has worked thus far.

I could go on more but that's enough I think. We accept new sellers when we have a deficiency of sellers who don't have the numbers we are looking for. If you have the number and you're interested PM me.

"BB will have my loyalty for giving me a chance and responding to my submissions in a timely fashion"

This is honorable of you but you'll soon find it's the money that talks. BB's immediate response is in their best interest. If they were slow then they may lose your domain sale to someone who types it in before it gets listed with them. But I do wish you the best of luck with them. Of course there are many who are successful at BB. We have referred countless interested sellers to list with BB. They obviously have the systems and processes in place to handle any number of sellers.

Michael, thanks for taking the time to come here and provide me with some feedback.

You make some good points, and I can definitely appreciate that a lot of new domainers probably cause more headaches than they're worth.

I suppose it was the idea of (essentially) using BB as your screening method for sellers that got my back up, but I can now see the approach from both sides. You believe you offer a better platform, and are hoping to use it to "poach the talent," so to speak. Nothing wrong with that.

I'd certainly be interested in getting some feedback on my names from you. As I said, I'm still new and my portfolio with BB is only at 8. I have about a dozen other brandable names that I think are pretty solid, but were perhaps too narrow in focus for BB.

I'll be interested to see how my portfolio performs at BB over the next year. I'll certainly be working to actively grow it. If my expectations fall way short (right now I'm looking for 1 sale per year from every 30 names listed), then perhaps I'll be taking a closer look at BrandRoot.

 

[Keith DeBoer]

In the last few minutes I've received 81 emails from BrandRoot. Three were addressed to me and the 78 others were addressed to other sellers and included their real life name, their username and their email address. The 81 emails were divided into three subject headings:

1. Please Verify Your Account at BrandRoot (18)
   
2. A Seller Account Has Been Closed (30)
   
3. Your Seller Account Has Been Closed (33)

I'm sure this is due to a system error but just curious did anyone else get these 81 emails?

PS @Doron Vermaat, you were one of the recipients listed in one of the emails. Did you get this giant set of emails too?

 

[Grilled]

In the last few minutes I've received 81 emails from BrandRoot. Three were addressed to me and the 78 others were addressed to other sellers and included their real life name, their username and their email address. The 81 emails were divided into three subject headings:

1. Please Verify Your Account at BrandRoot (18)
   
2. A Seller Account Has Been Closed (30)
   
3. Your Seller Account Has Been Closed (33)

I'm sure this is due to a system error but just curious did anyone else get these 81 emails?

PS @Doron Vermaat, you were one of the recipients listed in one of the emails. Did you get this giant set of emails too?

See new thread: https://www.namepros.com/threads/did-brandroot-get-hacked.947986/

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

Hi Keith, I apologize for the lack of communication and problems on your seller application. This was a gate we put up immediately after we ran into a very expensive PR issue that cost us some reputation with a big buyer and a financial loss for our company. Since this implementation we have had almost no issues with unethical/problem sellers.

As for "prompt and courteous communication" I'm not sure where you saw/experienced this deficiency, but if you did please understand we are still a startup with tons on our plate, buyers (the ones who keep us in business) take precedence over other issues since our resources were (and still are in some respects) limited. If you were to go back in time and consider the BB communication experience during their beginning years, you would find it was awful and sometimes straight-up rude, again a huge part of the reason I started Brandroot. Our communication is far ahead of where there's was at at this time.





Hi Joe(?), thank you for your message. I understand your points and I happen to have some extra time to write.

"What this means is that the only way BR will ever welcome me, is if I've already paid my dues and built a portfolio with BB."

No. We do periodically review applications but we we are unable to do it very often because we don't want to be become a marketplace that has more names than we can reasonably sell. The reason we see so many people leaving BB is because of their lack of sales. Even their few names at Brandroot are selling while their majority of names listed at BB are lost in the shuffle. We can't possibly make the same mistake that BB has. They decided to start listing thousands of names per month.

"It's a shame BR can't manage inventory and communication a bit better"

Our communication is just fine. This is an issue primarily about seller applicants. You'll find little to no complaints from our sellers about our communication. And we manage our inventory very intentionally. A mismanaged inventory is what we see at BB. Our inventory grows as we grow. We are nearly doubling our number of sales from last year so our goal is to double our inventory. BrandBucket however panicked when they lost traction with search engines so they began accepting anything and everything to monetize at least on type-in traffic. Their poor sales rate is a testament to this. They expanded because their company wasn't, Brandroot will expand as the company does.

A mismanaged inventory is one where you have warehouses full of unsold stock. The longer that inventory sits the more that stock is devalued and/or restless. In the case of BB, it's both. As sellers become restless, waiting for that periodic sale, they are renewing their domains, devaluing their domain portfolio. This is why Brandroot is seeing so many sellers move to us. So why do we accept/charm them over to us instead of accepting new sellers to grow?

1. They are trusted, seasoned sellers and they tend to buy mostly attractive names that are more likely to attract our buyers.
2. They have the numbers. When we are trying to expand our inventory with our sales growth we want to do it fairly quickly. In 2016 we will over double our inventory from last year, which is planned and intentional. We are able to do this because of the many BB sellers who have moved to us, not because of the new sellers who have a handful of domains. But also numbers suggests maturity and discipline in the business.
3. They are restless. They are ready to try a different method and it's unlikely they will move again.
4. They cause less trouble. Maybe that sounds overcritical or overgeneralized but it really is true (at least for us). When we were accepting tons of new sellers it was difficult to track and manage...
   1. People were selling names and leaving them published at Brandroot.
   2. Many were allowing their domains to expire because it was more of a fickle hobby they dabbled in for a short time.
   3. We had many people who had 10 or less published domains and they were the most demanding and disappointed about a lack in sales. This wasted way too much of our limited time.
5. BB is where they are at. Most brandable domainers with a significant number of domains are already with BB. So that is naturally where we have to look in order to grow our marketplace, which has worked thus far.

I could go on more but that's enough I think. We accept new sellers when we have a deficiency of sellers who don't have the numbers we are looking for. If you have the number and you're interested PM me.

"BB will have my loyalty for giving me a chance and responding to my submissions in a timely fashion"

This is honorable of you but you'll soon find it's the money that talks. BB's immediate response is in their best interest. If they were slow then they may lose your domain sale to someone who types it in before it gets listed with them. But I do wish you the best of luck with them. Of course there are many who are successful at BB. We have referred countless interested sellers to list with BB. They obviously have the systems and processes in place to handle any number of sellers.

If you were going to ignore again me again why did you ask if I have BR account or not ?
I am sure you dont wanna hear bad experiences but atleast you replied to Keith and Joe .


I have strong reasons to what Arch ? said after your latest reply

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

If you were to go back in time and consider the BB communication experience during their beginning years, you would find it was awful and sometimes straight-up rude, again a huge part of the reason I started Brandroot. Our communication is far ahead of where there's was at at this time.

You seem to be focusing all your efforts on BB when infact you should focus on your (company)

No. We do periodically review applications but we we are unable to do it very often because we don't want to be become a marketplace that has more names than we can reasonably sell

Since you are unable to periodically review applications and dont want them , why dont you close the application form and inform those users sending you everyday news ? This is of course to your OWN benefit ,

If you were to go back in time and consider the BB communication experience during their beginning years, you would find it was awful and sometimes straight-up rude, again a huge part of the reason I started Brandroot. Our communication is far ahead of where there's was at at this time.

So if BB was bad it means you get the right to be bad ? WOW .,..What a reply!

Our communication is just fine. This is an issue primarily about seller applicants. You'll find little to no complaints from our sellers about our communication. And we manage our inventory very intentionally. A mismanaged inventory is what we see at BB. Our inventory grows as we grow. We are nearly doubling our number of sales from last year so our goal is to double our inventory. BrandBucket however panicked when they lost traction with search engines so they began accepting anything and everything to monetize at least on type-in traffic. Their poor sales rate is a testament to this. They expanded because their company wasn't, Brandroot will expand as the company does.

Again focusing on BB and trying to divert all attention from your OWN problems.

In the case of BB, it's both

WOW ... You must be doing great maketing for BB. The number of times you mentioned in your post is uncountable

BB is where they are at. Most brandable domainers with a significant number of domains are already with BB. So that is naturally where we have to look in order to grow our marketplace, which has worked thus far.

So simply trying to snatch sellers from BB? I just remembered the whole RENEWAL it ,and I am glad it backfired well.

I could go on more but that's enough I think. We accept new sellers when we have a deficiency of sellers who don't have the numbers we are looking for. If you have the number and you're interested PM me.

Again, It would would be for your OWN (company's) goood to actually try to close the new seller application form and inform your potential sellers.



One more thing, I would recruit @Grilled as your marketing vocal point ( if you haven't done so already ) cause HE would do much much better job than every time diverting all the attention to BB:P

 

[Abdillahi Abdillahi]

In the last few minutes I've received 81 emails from BrandRoot. Three were addressed to me and the 78 others were addressed to other sellers and included their real life name, their username and their email address. The 81 emails were divided into three subject headings:

1. Please Verify Your Account at BrandRoot (18)
   
2. A Seller Account Has Been Closed (30)
   
3. Your Seller Account Has Been Closed (33)

I'm sure this is due to a system error but just curious did anyone else get these 81 emails?

PS @Doron Vermaat, you were one of the recipients listed in one of the emails. Did you get this giant set of emails too?

Keith , thank you for sharing this. You have done tremendous favor to BR and their sellers by disclosing it.

 

[JimJammy]

We can't possibly make the same mistake that BB has. They decided to start listing thousands of names per month.

You had 7,000 names in March, now (May) you have over 9,000.

BrandBucket however panicked when they lost traction with search engines so they began accepting anything and everything to monetize at least on type-in traffic. Their poor sales rate is a testament to this.

BBs Alexa is around 32K, BRs is at 71K. They are smashing you on traffic! If you know Alexa, half your figure doesn't mean double the traffic, it's more likely 5-10 times your traffic. You've mentioned in earlier posts that most of your traffic comes from search engines, BB talks about relationships with agencies and their marketing efforts. Do you do anything other than rely on search engines and attending domain events?

They clearly don't accept everything and anything. They had 28,000 names on site in March. Now they have 29,500. So they accepted less than you... and you accepted their rejects.

Poor sales rate? 841 sales last year, $2.4million in sales, average sale price of almost $3,000. I don't believe you've shared your figures?

They cause less trouble. Maybe that sounds overcritical or overgeneralized but it really is true (at least for us).
We had many people who had 10 or less published domains and they were the most demanding and disappointed about a lack in sales. This wasted way too much of our limited time.

This is something I can 100% understand! Several people have spent many months causing 'trouble' in the BB thread. NP members that had few or no names listed on BB, demanding information. They drained BBs time and resources, leaving them less time to concentrate on business. But, you've recently accepted them...

I know there are others here that have openly stated that they would never list their domains with you (for various reasons) and I'm really not in that camp. I just can't see the benefits of moving my 600+ portfolio over to you:

Same listing fees.
Same commission fees.
Your average sale price is less.
You don't provide any financial information to your sellers (only this week did you disclose that you own 11%+ of the domains on your marketplace).
You don't provide any information on what your users are searching for.
You charge extra for featured listings.
You accept stale unsold stock from another marketplace.
You don't respond to seller applications.
No evidence of actively seeking buyers list since all of your traffic comes from search engines.
And for the second time, your userbase real life names, their usernames and their email address has been distributed amongst your members recently.

 

[hookbox]

You had 7,000 names in March, now (May) you have over 9,000.



BBs Alexa is around 32K, BRs is at 71K. They are smashing you on traffic! If you know Alexa, half your figure doesn't mean double the traffic, it's more likely 5-10 times your traffic. You've mentioned in earlier posts that most of your traffic comes from search engines, BB talks about relationships with agencies and their marketing efforts. Do you do anything other than rely on search engines and attending domain events?

They clearly don't accept everything and anything. They had 28,000 names on site in March. Now they have 29,500. So they accepted less than you... and you accepted their rejects.

Poor sales rate? 841 sales last year, $2.4million in sales, average sale price of almost $3,000. I don't believe you've shared your figures?



This is something I can 100% understand! Several people have spent many months causing 'trouble' in the BB thread. NP members that had few or no names listed on BB, demanding information. They drained BBs time and resources, leaving them less time to concentrate on business. But, you've recently accepted them...

I know there are others here that have openly stated that they would never list their domains with you (for various reasons) and I'm really not in that camp. I just can't see the benefits of moving my 600+ portfolio over to you:

Same listing fees.
Same commission fees.
Your average sale price is less.
You don't provide any financial information to your sellers (only this week did you disclose that you own 11%+ of the domains on your marketplace).
You don't provide any information on what your users are searching for.
You charge extra for featured listings.
You accept stale unsold stock from another marketplace.
You don't respond to seller applications.
No evidence of actively seeking buyers list since all of your traffic comes from search engines.
And for the second time, your userbase real life names, their usernames and their email address has been distributed amongst your members recently.

Once again you don't know what you're talking about. There has been well over 2,000 names transferred from their system in this time frame. Every time a name is removed from the BB system it is subtracted from the total. So today BB's total reads 29,637 but when taking into account how many domains have been removed by sellers because of lack of sales or whatever reason then the true total is 31,637. So in reality BB has added almost double what Brandroot has added in your time frame. Here are the biggest days below that BB sellers have transferred out their domains with their totals. Days where the count was under 50 I didn't even include. So the real transfer out number is much larger then what is here.

1,465 names removed from BrandBucket in your time frame

March 23 61

march 27 64

april 2 232

april 27 52

april 29 68

april 30 84

may 1 361

may 2 65

may 18 105

may 22 194

may 23 179