IT.COM

other Domain Name Investing in Troubled Times

Spaceship Spaceship

Do you plan to take more money than usual out of your portfolio to cover living expenses?

  • No. I put everything made back into more domain acquisitions.

    31 
    votes
    13.7%
  • Yes, I will take out a little more than in the past.

    36 
    votes
    15.9%
  • Yes, I will be liquidating part of my portfolio to cut expenses and meet living needs.

    46 
    votes
    20.4%
  • No. In fact, I plan to put personal money into additional domain investments this year.

    47 
    votes
    20.8%
  • I am uncertain at this time.

    66 
    votes
    29.2%

The headlines continue to be dominated by the health risks associated with the COVID-19 virus, along with the economic impact of pandemic mitigation steps.

NamePros members have discussed the pandemic itself, the ethics of holding coronavirus domain names, whether the demand for domain names will change, and a multitude of other pandemic-related topics.

In this article, I look at how an individual domain name investor might respond in these uncertain times.


Assess Your Personal Financial Situation

While some NamePros members are full-time domain investors, for many, their primary income sources are other businesses, jobs or investments.

Businesses that were thriving just a month ago, may now be shuttered and in danger of failing. Jobs that seemed secure a few weeks ago, may have ended or be in danger. Investments in equities and bonds have lost, in just a few weeks, gains made over multiple years. Investments in real estate, are suddenly less liquid.

This may mean that instead of putting domain name profits back into domain investments, some will be looking to take money out of their domain portfolio for basic living expenses. Also, whereas in the past there was a cushion of revenue from other sources to cover renewals and other costs, that may no longer be the case.

The first step is to assess your personal financial situation, and decide what money, if any, needs to be taken out of your domain portfolio.


Expected Domain Related Expenses

Based on your sales in recent years, estimate probable domain sales revenue. Incorporate a safety factor for the uncertain business climate.

Calculate the renewal costs, both in total for the year, and by month due. You may already be using a service that gives you this information. Also, include all other domain-related costs such as hosting, subscriptions, etc.

Put in realistic, but conservative, estimates for any on-going revenue from domain-related activities such as monetized parking, affiliate relationships, consulting, advertising, etc.

Considering all of this, decide whether you need to sell a portion of your domain name portfolio. If so, see the next section regarding setting priorities. If not, you may regard the coming year as a buying opportunity and a time to enhance your portfolio.


Set Priorities

I find it personally helpful to divide the portfolio into three groups: definitely renew, let go at end of year (or sell before), or uncertain.

Factors that can be considered include number of inquiries, trends, number and value of offers, traffic, comparable recent sales, etc.

Remember to look forward to what areas may be stronger in the coming years, as covered in the next section.

Even a modest return from sales of unwanted domain names, may help you protect the names you definitely want to keep.

Don’t panic and sell domain names that should be retained. However, an emphasis on the quality of your portfolio will help protect what is important.

Don’t rush into this. Make your tentative priority list, set it aside for a few days, then return, perhaps after additional research, and see if your opinions have changed.


What Areas Will Be Strong?

Numerous articles have been written on the topic of what businesses will emerge stronger after the pandemic. For example, this article at TheConversation indicates that eCommerce, video conferencing, streaming, and delivery services will be among the winners, while travel, traditional retail, in-person entertainment and sports will be among the likely losers.

Most agree that we will see more remote offering of services, such as education and training, medical, therapy, advising, etc.

Additional possible shifts in domain demand are expressed in the thread started by Doron Vermaat on whether the coronavirus will increase demand for domain names.

New Zealand business expert Dr. Michael Lee studied what types of business are likely to succeed or fail in the post-virus world. He considers each business according to its placement on two axes. One axis indicates how time synchronized is the product or service offered by that business. The other axis looks at how localized in place is the service.

Sensitivity to physical distancing and personal health will probably live on long past the pandemic. Businesses that can serve customers at various places, including remotely, and on a flexible time schedule, will be more capable of ensuring appropriate distancing.

Using this system, Dr. Lee rated each type of business into thrive, survive or dive. Venue entertainment and sports were placed in the dive category, since they are both localized and time-specific. On the other hand, online education and electronic commerce should thrive, due to no limits on time or place.

Domain investors may find it helpful to categorize the niche represented by each of their domains as thrive, survive or dive. That should not be the only consideration on whether to retain the domain name, however.


Your Time Resources

Changes in personal circumstances may mean that you have additional time to put into presentation of your domain names, research and development. Last week Tom outlined how to view this as an opportunity, and what steps to take to make best use of your extra time.


Think Like an End User

Opinions vary significantly on the domain resale market outlook for the next 6 to 12 months. Some see a downturn in domain name sales, while others, such as Rob Monster, feel that there will be a boom as people have more digital lives and those who lost jobs start new online ventures.

In a discussion about whether this is a good time for outbound, most expressed the view that it is not. Business owners are stressed about just having their business survive, and in most cases are not going to be receptive to a cold contact.

Keep in mind that those who are purchasing domain names, perhaps for small digital service startups, will nonetheless be wary about the overall financial climate. With reasonable prices, and monthly payment plan options, or other forms of compensation, more sales may be completed.

All of this can be summarized by think like an end-user, or at least try to consider the end-user perspective. Be sensitive to the financial pressures and uncertainty of your potential buyers.

Finally, because of the rapidly changing business climate, it makes sense to close sales as expeditiously as possible. This may impact what payment options you accept and prefer.


Share Your Views

I also wanted to draw your attention to Keith DeBoer Domain Market Booms and Busts. Although written about a year and a half ago, this is the perfect time to read it.

I hope readers will share in the comments section their personal views on the health of the domain business, how the pandemic has affected their domain name operations, and what changes in types of domain names they see going forward. While it is perhaps too soon to say, I would also welcome views on the change, if any, yet seen in recent domain demand.


I would like to acknowledge numerous people from the industry, both NamePros members and others, whose views and ideas helped inform this article. Special thanks to Michael Cyger for the idea of starting with a look at ongoing expenses. This article is for informational purposes and should not be considered financial or investment advice.
 
51
•••
The views expressed on this page by users and staff are their own, not those of NamePros.
Another nice article and very timely. Thank you @Bob Hawkes (y)

One of the good thing I do for my portfolio is to renew domains a lot in advance. As of now, all my domains which I tend not to drop are already renewed for this year. So for my domains, the renewals will be from starting 2021. As we reach the year end, most if not all of my domains will be renewed for another year. I try to keep this pattern in case of emergency which can be of anything.

As far as the sales will be coming, I'll keep investing. I think the right time of more good opportunities be coming from next month when there will be more panic and less sales. People will want to take care of themselves and their families rather than to focus on renewing domains. Also some domain owners would want to sell for quick bucks.

For my portfolio, I'll see any obvious change in April/May period.
 
17
•••
Thanks to all who have commented, and encourage others to do so. In the poll, now with 56 responses, it looks pretty evenly distributed across all of the responses. Many said they are uncertain, and I think that reflects that it is difficult to predict where this will be in three months time. I personally voted that way.

I think that @AbdulBasit.com and @lock make good points about how it is wise to renew at least the most valuable part of your portfolio well in advance. Quite apart from pandemic-related circumstances, always good to be prepared for any lengthy emergency, as @AbdulBasit.com said.

It will be interesting to see how the wholesale aftermarket changes, both in activity and in price levels. I may try to look at that using NameBio stats and looking at price ranges and venues that are likely wholesale.

I was not very domain active at the time, but I am told that in the aftermath of the 2008 economic downturn there were some that liquidated holdings at lower than normal prices, in order to make up for financial losses outside the world off domaining, or just concern about the future.

Thanks again to all who have voted and commented.

Bob

May be this is off-topic but certainly relevant to renewals in advance. I wanted to share another benefit of renewing domains in advance which is it makes clear to any potential buyer who's keeping an eye on your domain that you should no longer wait for the domain to be dropped and either contact the owner for buying or get some other alternative. I've seen fellow domainers selling their domains including myself after renewing our domains. Not immediately but quite quickly. So there are endusers who're watching your domains to be dropped.

Thanks :)
 
12
•••
Liquidate because of the virus? Even when it was not around, it was impossible to liquidate, now even more impossible, unless you are lucky. I made 15K from domains in the past 12 months, but there was another 20K+ which was not paid. So selling is not enough, because your name and address will be shown to the buyer, the buyer will say, hmmmm, I changed my mind. Marketplaces should stop allowing discrimination, and letting buyers get away with breaking promises. My last 4 figure sale at Sedo was not paid, and it became obvious that this was not a real buyer, and I want it be cancelled, but it can't be done. So I can't sell to someone else at Sedo...But we have to use Sedo and Afternic, because people directly search for domains at their registrar which are connected to these two, and they don't respect sellers enough, instead they work hard to prevent sales.
 
8
•••
Thanks to all who have commented, and encourage others to do so. In the poll, now with 56 responses, it looks pretty evenly distributed across all of the responses. Many said they are uncertain, and I think that reflects that it is difficult to predict where this will be in three months time. I personally voted that way.

I think that @AbdulBasit.com and @lock make good points about how it is wise to renew at least the most valuable part of your portfolio well in advance. Quite apart from pandemic-related circumstances, always good to be prepared for any lengthy emergency, as @AbdulBasit.com said.

It will be interesting to see how the wholesale aftermarket changes, both in activity and in price levels. I may try to look at that using NameBio stats and looking at price ranges and venues that are likely wholesale.

I was not very domain active at the time, but I am told that in the aftermath of the 2008 economic downturn there were some that liquidated holdings at lower than normal prices, in order to make up for financial losses outside the world off domaining, or just concern about the future.

Thanks again to all who have voted and commented.

Bob
 
7
•••
Great polling @Bob Hawkes

May be its best time to invest more when we had been strong plan last years. I cover all renewal fee based my passive income . Uncertain time is good opportunity to acquire some valuable domain with lowest price .
 
6
•••
Thanks for feedback Josh. I think I fail at writing titles :xf.eek:. The troubling times was not meant to refer to the domain market necessarily troubled. I think opinions are mixed re whether that will happen, and your report of major sales, and @Rob Monster report of an uptick in activity, are both encouraging signs.

What the troubling times was meant was that most domainers on NamePros have other jobs, or own businesses, or depend on other investments. There is no doubt that the markets are down substantially, a huge number of people are at least temporarily unemployed, and many businesses are fearful of viability if lockdowns persist long, despite massive government stimulus patterns. I think the times are troubled, whether domain name sales are or not.

Thanks again for taking time to comment. Was the $200,000 shop.app sale one of the three 6-figure sales you heard about, or with that are there actually four? I agree, pretty encouraging.

Bob

Thanks Bob.

We have seen an uptick this week -- almost 2X of the week before -- in terms of domain inquiries. The action is at the low end of the market.

In short, although many people are "deer in the headlights" traumatized by change, others are starting businesses and capitalizing on rapid change.

ICYMI, I have been commenting a bit more on Twitter, e.g. here, with short observations, sometimes with video:


I remain optimistic, but don't be surprised if we see 30% unemployment in the USA by June. The whole economy will become more digital -- and quickly.
 
6
•••
Be careful about emerging trends they might have very short lifespans, for example if the pandemic ends in summer then everything will go back to normal including previous trends.

The smart thing to do is to invest in things that will continue to be on demand on the long run. For example after the pandemic is over health services will stay solid while remote services will decline.
 
Last edited:
6
•••
Some domainers might drop names others love etc I have seen almost every drop picked up as it is but feel things will change. I am still working and could still make all renewals but the rest of the worlds behavior is going to influence me on what i choose to keep.
 
Last edited:
5
•••
I always cover my renewals before 2-3 months at most but perhaps I should cover it like @AbdulBasit.com.

Thanks for this wonderful stuff @Bob Hawkes :happy:(y)

Uncertain time is good opportunity to acquire some valuable domain with lowest price

I Surely agree with @Pay.My.id and will be adding lots of awesome names to my portfolio this year and I already started it :sneaky:
 
5
•••
Maybe GD receives offers on our domains, and they are not transferred to us, instead GD waits and dropcathes them for higher profit (I mean, not only by increasing commission from 20 to 100 percent, but also by 10folding the asking price) If this is the case, such a game can be blocked by renewing.. but we don't know which domains they are. So we need stats. But there is no marketplace showing detailed stats by default. ..Although I don't like Sedo's stats much either it seems to be the best. Stats may not be enough, but it helps.

Talking about Stats, Epik Marketplace has a very intelligent dashboard that displays the performance of the domain name: The No of WHOIS look-up, the IP address of the individual that is checking up your details on WHOIS and the number of Marketplace visit
 
5
•••
Thanks for the information. Nice article.
 
4
•••
4
•••
4
•••
Good article as always. I chose 1st.
Don’t lose patient and always have enough liquidity.
 
4
•••
Already bombarded with domainers offering domains and not sure if we will even get much of a chance to liquidate as i have seen some bargains and junk. I am not about to grow my portfolio and would cull some renewals to pay for a bargain. I have renewed a lot early as didn't wan't to have to think about favorites more make crucial decisions on my medicre.
 
4
•••
4
•••
I'm buying liquidating domains but trying not to go overboard because I need money to live too!
 
4
•••
Didn't they say---never put all your eggs in one basket??
I am not quite sure what your comment refers to, perhaps explain a bit more @marijuanadomain ?

If you are referring to conventional investing, Ben Carlson just posted the following showing how portfolios with different amounts of diversification have held up in the recent downturn. So an equity only portfolio, but averaged over many equities as per the ETF package (I think a number of thousand) would be down almost 31% while a 40% equities and 60% bonds is only down about 12%. Here is reference to article the graph is from.
Annotation-2020-03-23-140317.jpg

If you were making reference to diversifying a domain portfolio, that is holding different application niches, and probably some mix of different extensions, I think that is a good idea, but just like the 40/60 does not totally protect you in big market fluctuations, nor would a mixed portfolio totally protect you from domain application changes that might come with an economic downturn. But that is a topic discussed elsewhere on NamePros, and worthy of its own thread.

If your line meant that people should not depend only on a single job, which might be threatened now, I think that is being unfairly critical of people's circumstances and life choices. At the same time, I do agree that having a profitable side-gig in something, like domaining, does help cushion things if economic factors cause you to lose, or scale back, your main business or job.

Bob
 
4
•••
Thanks for the well composed article Bob. Very detailed and informative
 
4
•••
Thanks Bob for that great information. learn more, learn how.
 
4
•••
Bit of a misguided title IMO.

I've heard of three 6 figure sales in the last week.
 
4
•••
I am not surprised that with 174 votes almost 30% of respondents are unsure. I think we don't yet have clear picture of the economic situation past the next few months, or how the market for domains will react.

Nevertheless, I think this is a good time to think about establishing priorities. I always find it helpful to ask questions like what are your top 10 domain names and what 10 names do you think were mistakes and you would like to liquidate.

@topdom indicated above, though, the challenges of liquidating domain names - always hard, possibly even more right now.
Even when it was not around, it was impossible to liquidate, now even more impossible, unless you are lucky.
With 21% of the people responding in the poll saying they plan to put new funds into domains, there should be some possible wholesale buyers.

Interested in what people think of when they hear the word liquidation. Does it mean getting any money at all, getting what you put into the domain name, or some profit, but not nearly retail pricing.

Interesting times. At least we know that .com renewal will not increase before Dec 31, although also know that a 7% increase not long after that is likely.

Bob
 
4
•••
didn't some famous investor say something about buying when others sell in fear and vice versa...?
Indeed! I think that those with a secure income stream outside domain names, or sitting on domain investment cash, may well find the next 12 months a buying opportunity, if they choose wisely like you say. As of writing, about 21% in the poll indicate this will be their personal path, and I am not surprised. I have been told that the two years after the 2008-9 financial crisis was a good time to buy in the wholesale aftermarket. Thanks for commenting @BrandPlease.
Bob
 
4
•••
I see a lot of liquid domains moving hands during the coronavirus.
Lots of one word .com's and LLLL and LLL domains. Even some numeric domains that have pretty set values. Looks like many domains held there value better than the stock market which tumbled 20% to 30% for most businesses.

I was able to purchase a very pronounceable LLLL.com at about 40% off what you'd normally see them going for. Could be a good time to make more acquisitions for the future/long term investing.
 
Last edited:
4
•••
  • The sidebar remains visible by scrolling at a speed relative to the page’s height.
Back