question Yes we can transfer newly registered domains?!

[dirk]

This might sound like a newbie question but I'm genuinely curious.

Why can't we transfer out domains that are within their 60 day period after initial registration aka handregs?

I've been into domaining for as long as I can remember and back in the day this was never questioned, it was ICANN policy. I believe it was in 2016 when they made some (relatively big) changes that would allow you to opt out of locks after transfers, owner changes etc.

Yet I never questioned the newly registered domain 'rule'. It's common knowledge right?

Now let's see. Today I registered a domain. I automate a lot so I have my backend scripted to alert me as soon as a domain comes up eligible for transfer. Funnily enough I get a notice right after registration. I was thinking it was a bug so I spent an hour or so going over my code. No surprises there.

Next step I pulled the whois and EPP status code and to my surprise it showed as status 'ok'. This basically means I will be able to transfer out the domain.

So I decided to check out ICANN, questioning myself, doubting my own knowledge.

On one of their FAQs (https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-holder-faqs-2017-10-10-en) they state:

There are certain situations that can prevent a domain name from being transferred to a different registrar, such as a new registration. Your registrar may deny a transfer request if the domain name is within 60 days of initial registration.

So this makes me questioning the 'new registration' 60 days lock. Is it a lock imposed upon us by the registrars rather than ICANN policy? If so, not taking into account it's a good security measure, why do registrars always point out ICANN policy as ICANN basically leaves it up to the registrars? Am I misinterpreting this?

So the question is, why do they limit us in our fair use of our domains which benefits only the registrar, not the domainer?

 

[Name Trader]

Interesting. Just to be clear, so that would mean that when you renew and transfer away, let's say the day after you renewed, you wouldn't get an (second) additional year of registration at your new registrar? That can't be right.

That's exactly my understanding. And has happened to me between days 43-44 after renewal before. When NameSilo's timetable was slightly earlier than ICANN's timetable. Because. ICANN refund the original renewal (or used to?) to the previous registrar, and so it is only renewed once out of two renewals. I would guess at least 99.9% of the time the losing registrar doesn't offer the refund to the original registrant. The 45 days comes about by being the same length of time as account settlement of the registrar. As I have said. I have successfully argued to NameSilo should refund me, and they did. Kudos to them. But they warned they would close this loophole. I don't know if they ever did. Since it should be a legitimate refund, IMHO.

 

[s.g]

Probably one the most well-phrased and objective questions in the history of domaining. We're adding this (and all the relevant answers) into one of our internal training sessions.

Thanks for not just accepting it's an ICANN policy but actually (ACTIVELY) researching it!

 

[Bname.com]

The newly registered domain name in China can be transferred as long as the account is transferred.
At least That's what I did with the ALIYUN registrar

 

[Name Trader]

That's exactly my understanding. And has happened to me between days 43-44 after renewal before. When NameSilo's timetable was slightly earlier than ICANN's timetable. Because. ICANN refund the original renewal (or used to?) to the previous registrar, and so it is only renewed once out of two renewals. I would guess at least 99.9% of the time the losing registrar doesn't offer the refund to the original registrant. The 45 days comes about by being the same length of time as account settlement of the registrar. As I have said. I have successfully argued to NameSilo should refund me, and they did. Kudos to them. But they warned they would close this loophole. I don't know if they ever did. Since it should be a legitimate refund, IMHO.

I would add that both the losing registrar NameSilo, and the gaining registrar Dynadot, both informed me of this 45 day restriction on the newer renewal, would not be applied, even though it was paid. For the reasons stated above. It really made me upset, because NameSilo lifted the restriction on transfer too early. Earlier than ICANN's count of the 45 days. After this experience, which happened maybe around 5 or more times, I added 4 days to when NameSilo allowed the transfer. So I wouldn't fall foul of this again.

 

[LUP]

i just chat registrar (InternetBS) they told me

• if it is a newly registered domain then the 60 days lock is set at .com registry level so we don't have control over that transfer lock.
• This is a registry restriction and we will not able to bypass this restriction.

So, if you own the registrar, you can't do anything

is there a verisign rep here?