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I want all domainers and those who enjoy domaining to know that a couple of mods at Wikipedia have taken it upon themselves to label all domainers as "cybersquatters".

It came to my attention a few days ago that anyone who types in "domaining" or "domainers" at Wikipedia is automatically redirected to their page on "cybersquatting". Doesn't that just piss you off? It does me.

I have tried, unsuccessfully thus far, to educate and enlighten them that domainers & domaining are a legitimate industry and that our members are upstanding people who are not defined by cybersquatting. I have asked them to stop the redirect to cybersquatting. They have refused.

Here is a link to my blog article, for more details: Wikipedia Fails Integrity Check

Here is a link to Domain Name Wire's article: Wikipedia Says Domainers Are Cybersquatters

Here is a link to the Wikipedia "discussion" page (to show abuse of power in action): Wikipedia Discussion

I don't know about you, but I don't appreciate being classified as a cybersquatter. Cybersquatting is a crime. Domaining is a respectable business activity.
 
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wow lame
I hate labels
tho lots of "domainers" are technically cybersquaters in some way if we like it or not but that still doesnt make it ok to list all the apples bad most dont even know that they are.
at least Domainer has a almost legitimate listing
tho it looks like its by some 1st time poster posted it that speaks little english
Domainer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Domainer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]Domainer which also known as domain broker is the person who do a business like buying selling domain_name

with other Domainer just like real estate agent who do business with real estate.

The domain business is a huge business now as the internet usage is growing rapidly all over the world.

The first .com domain registered was Symbolics.com in 1985 on that year only very few domains registered.

1. symbolics.com: March 15, 1985
2. bbn.com: April 24, 1985
3. think.com: May 24, 1985
4. mcc.com: July 11, 1985
5. dec.com: Sept. 30, 1985
6. northrop.com: Nov. 7, 1985
Wouldn't you think they would redirect it to this?
I dont see how cybersquating is more relative to domainers than a domainer
tho this listing for domainer looks more like a excerpt from a page about domains not domainers
and I love how on the cybersquating wiki page it does not use the word domaining or domainers once

Cybersquatting is one of the most loosely used terms related to domain name intellectual property law and is often incorrectly used to refer to the sale or purchase of generic domain names

whats next will wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun redirect to wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder ? >:(

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It's power of Media.
You've seen many times that someone complain about domainers.
* Can not buy the domain they need for cheap.
* Can not buy it BACK for cheap.
* Asking $million when it only cost $10 to register.
* Domainers don't do anything with their domain.
On and on and on and on and...

Plus, there are ambulance chasers who register tragedy related domains and try to sell it for profit.
People tend to believe whatever it is when they see enough times :rolleyes:

One of my friend asked me, "Isn't it illegal to sell domain names?".
I told him about Real Estate and Virtual Real Estate.
I told him about Parking lots in down town and Billboards to explain "Parked domains".

Now, he invest in domains :D

Another thing you may want to consider is Jealousy.
Many people don't have good things to say about lawyers, doctors, rich people...
People will do anything to bring down successful person because unsuccessful people can not stand them.

World is full of unsuccessful people and they are Miserable.
It's in their nature to bring down successful people because "Misery loves company".
 
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I have uploaded a draft on Domaining to the Wikipedia "sandbox" which is a holding pen where the admins review what was submitted. If anyone is interested in taking a look, the link is below. I don't know if it will be in its original form, or even viewable for that matter.

Domaining/sandbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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That's a good draft Carlton,
The "About The Page" section might not be acceptable though. The numbers of links might also be considered excessive. Apart from that, it should replace the article.

From what I can see, there was a deletion of the original section and someone tried to fill in the gap. Then someone redirected it to cybersquatting. Wikipedians tend to be a strange bunch at times.

Regards...jmcc
 
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I agree with you. The "about section" thing was really to give them a little background on me. You won't believe some of the jaded, sarcastic, and suspicious comments posted about domainers by Wikipedia staff. They either really, really hate domain investors ... or there's some serious pathological ego problems going on. Major power trip stuff.

Yeah, too many links, true. Trying to give them some actual context and reference points to counter their complete ignorance and indifference. By the way, thanks for clicking over and for your comments. Been a long day.
 
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Nicely done, Carlton, although I agree with "too many links" ;)
 
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I thought Google has fixed their problem back then when you typed-in 'crazy motherfu***r' then the first result would be George W. Bush's site?
 
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i quite often see wiki references on my parked names ???? it seems ok when it helps them
 
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Wow... talk about power modding/power staff.

The idiots 'running' that Wiki re-direct are just being biased and politically motivated, and in doing so are actually just breaking the Wikipedia objectives/aims.
 
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Link to the Proposed Wikipedia Domaining Page

First, thank you for posting and participating in this discussion. I wish everyone cared about this issue. Not sure how long the link below will be active, but it goes to the Domaining page (which is under review). What you will see is no more than 10-20% of the total content I submitted to Wikipedia.

Domaining/sandbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Below is a copy of my letter to the Wikipedia admins on this issue

I would like to respond with a few comments. I do understand that the number of links I submitted in the Domaining article was excessive. Agreed. I was trying to provide an accurate picture of the domain industry, and domainers, as a legitimate group who are ethical, well-organized and who do not deserve to be associated with the crime of cybersquatting. While my comments were perceived as "biased" by one Wikipedia commenter, I can only say that his perception is a projection, and a gross overgeneralization which itself cannot be justified.

We all know that cybersquatting exists and is wrong, but if one were to visit the domainer sites and tradeshows, reference our trade associations, and work within the greater industry, then you would see just how unjust it is that the whole domain name industry has been characterized at Wikipedia as cybersquatters or scammers. Ironically, I find those statements to be born of extreme ignorance of our industry and heavily injected with personal bias against all people who invest in domain names for whatever reasons.

I know that what I am sharing here is factual and objective, not merely subjective, but it is hard to prove a negative, i.e. that the majority of domainers don't engage in cybersquatting. This is why I tried to provide so many links ... so that I could provide Wikipedia staff, and eventually their users, with the names and faces of real people, real businesses, and a greater context around our industry that has absolutely nothing to do with cybersquatting.

An example for the reviewers of Wikipedia which will hopefully illustrate my point. Suppose one Wikipedia administrator was convicted of a terrible crime, and by association all wikipedia admins suddenly began being accused of the same terrible crimes and were castigated publicly. For one, we know that you are not responsible for the bad acts of another person, and ultimately his poor choices do not reflect on you personally or negate all of the good will and collective hard work done at Wikipedia. This parallels the damage that was being done by redirecting domaining and domainers to cybersquatting. The bad acts of a relative minority were being used to humiliate and disparage a large group of people who have worked ethically and responsibly for years, and always within the law and within their rights of domain name registration.

Thank you for being willing to work with me on this important subject. Domainers, as a large group, are basically investors, internet enthusiasts, and people who have careers in a variety of fields. They are reasonable people with families, the same hopes and dreams as everyone else. And moreover, have notable achievements in life. The extensive list of domainers I provided to you, and their associated websites (in my original submission), are a small representative sample of the quality of individuals involved in the domain name industry. One of my investment partners is a board certified psychiatrist working everyday to help people with mental health disorders. Another of my domainer friends heads a non-profit fund raising organization. Yet another is a professor of economics at a major university. Many of my peers are attorneys, stay at home moms, realtors, high-level techies, college students, you name it. This diverse group of people interested in domaining are everyday people with intact values and a guiding set of principles that govern their choices in life. And they have specifically avoided internet crimes and cybersquatting. I know this on a personal level which is why I was so incensed and outraged that a couple of Wikipedia admins took it upon themselves to publicly denigrate so many reputable people.

Thanks again for considering these comments, and for allowing me a voice on this critical issue.

Addendum: Another reason I included so many industry links is I want the Domaining page to be an actual resource for anyone who searches on domaining and is interested in learning more about it. The links I provided you are high quality, relevant, and central to understanding the domain name industry. Please consider allowing me to perhaps place the links at the bottom of the article such that Wikipedia users will have a great resource guide for learning.
 
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Thanks for doing so much work with this Carlton :) It's amazing how deluded some of them are over there (some just seem to have made up their mind - wrongly - and then are forcing this on others), but hopefully fact can prevail soon.
 
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i often sit on the floor with my laptop on the coffee table.. is that what they mean by cyber "squatter"?
 
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Thanks for doing so much work with this Carlton :) It's amazing how deluded some of them are over there (some just seem to have made up their mind - wrongly - and then are forcing this on others), but hopefully fact can prevail soon.
I appreciate your comment Tristan. What bothers me is their lack of interest in obtaining a real education about domaining. Power can be misused in very damaging ways, and redirecting "domaining" and "domainers" to a page on cybersquatting in a categorical indictment, and a lie, about our entire industry.

It's not like Wikipedia is some obscure resource. It is one of the most visited websites on the planet. And yet 1 or 2 people there think they have the right to disparage & misrepresent thousands of legitimate businesses and individuals.

If these few Wikipedia admins do not do the right thing, then things are going to get nasty. There is no other option. I am fairly certain that a higher level authority within Wikipedia will be more reasonable and accomodating.
 
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Domainer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]Domainer which also known as domain broker is the person who do a business like buying selling domain_name

with other Domainer just like real estate agent who do business with real estate.

The domain business is a huge business now as the internet usage is growing rapidly all over the world.

If this is how Wikipedia's entry from "Domainer" reads, I think I'd much rather that entry redirect to Cybersquatter.

If you don't have something literature to say, please don't say it.
 
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I appreciate your comment Tristan. What bothers me is their lack of interest in obtaining a real education about domaining. Power can be misused in very damaging ways, and redirecting "domaining" and "domainers" to a page on cybersquatting in a categorical indictment, and a lie, about our entire industry.

It's not like Wikipedia is some obscure resource. It is one of the most visited websites on the planet. And yet 1 or 2 people there think they have the right to disparage & misrepresent thousands of legitimate businesses and individuals.

If these few Wikipedia admins do not do the right thing, then things are going to get nasty. There is no other option. I am fairly certain that a higher level authority within Wikipedia will be more reasonable and accomodating.
Yeah I'd agree with that :) Wiki is very popular, but it is very worrying for me that a multi-million dollar industry can simply be tarnished by a few idiots within Wikipedia who don't know the true facts. It just leaves me wondering what else they may distort.


If this is how Wikipedia's entry from "Domainer" reads, I think I'd much rather that entry redirect to Cybersquatter.

If you don't have something literature to say, please don't say it.
That's harsh of you... why don't you submit alterations, then? It's Wikipedia - we can all make changes easily enough.

Plus it's "literate", not literature. ;)
 
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