Why "the new gTLDs lovers" lose hours and hours in new gTLD debates???

[james haw]

Why "the new gTLDs lovers" lose hours and hours in new gTLD debates???

If there is a bad news for new gTLDs, "the new gTLDs lovers" tell us about good news, however trivial, and completely ignore the other negative facts and anyone who raises points about them...
If there is a good news for new gTLDs, "the new gTLDs lovers" talk and talk about it with great passion as if it somehow proves they're valuable, even when questioned about the lack of sales...

Why is "no sales" ignored by such "lovers"? And why is the "no sales" point simply answered with "one day you will see". Sure, that might well happen, but, currently it doesn't look so rosy so why not just debate gently about what people think, instead of outright claiming that they know something no-one else on the planet does and that new TLDs are going to be this and that?

Why they lose so much time when namebio.com and others show no sales at all? I mean, sure invest, take that chance that one day, they may be valuable. One day, above .info or .org which sells for pennies even though they've been going for decades and are better than nearly all new TLD.

Why see the few sales and think all TLDs will follow suit, and not that it was a few with good keywords?

If you are a new gTLD lover, this question is for you:
Why you lose hours and hours in new gTLDs discussions when it's all just here-say and a big gamble???

Of course, you know why but you can not admit the truth...


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This was written simply as a tongue-in-cheek alternative to:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...urs-and-hours-in-new-gtld-discussions.966360/

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Folks, do what you want. Buy what you want. Invest wisely or poorly. One man's dream is another man's nightmare, etc.
Debate it, discuss it, and let's all learn from each other. But please, I beg of you, everyone, stop stating you know what will happen either way!
What will or won't happen with new TLDs is simply predictions, some base it on past happenings even though many parameters are now different, some claim they'll be rich with "whateverKeywords.blarrgh".

The point of debates and discussions is to chew the fat and find answers from shared wisdom, not beat each other with our own wisdom sticks

 

[briguy]

"whateverKeywords.blarrgh".

When did they release ".blarrgh" to the general public? I was planning on investing heavy in that publicly accepted extension..

 

[FPForum]

I haven't been to NameBio lately, but Ron Jackson just reported a huge gTLD sale on DNJ this past week. It was such a good sale in fact, he even had to include it in his title "Blockbuster 3-Letter .Com Sale & a Huge New gTLD Sale Lead This Week's Top 20 Chart".

http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/domainsales/2016/20160824.htm

If you read his article, this wasn't the only gTLD sale this year. In fact, the $115,000 sale is just one of the 5 biggest gTLD sales reported so far this year. Here's his quote:

"In another eye popping sale Donuts Inc., who operates close to 200 new gTLD registries, announced the $115,000 sale of CO.LTD - again to an end user - China's Hangzhou e-business Institute. That is one of the five biggest new gTLD sales reported so far this year and one of the six biggest non .com gTLD sales (a group that also includes popular legacy extensions like .net and .org). Five of the top six sales on our Year to Date Non .Com gTLD Top 100 Chart (the second chart on the page linked to) are now new gTLDs. That quintet trails only the chart leader, Recovery.net, that has led the elite list since January after selling for $200,000."

I think this contradicts you're "no sales" point above. It also kinda makes it look like you (or anyone who tries to say that) are the ones who don't really know what they're doing (obviously you haven't looked very far for sales figures). Don't group all gTLD investors into one batch, either. In fact, most of them probably don't buy random keywords like you're suggesting above. I buy gTLD extensions which I guess makes me an investor, but I don't buy "whateverKeywords.blarrgh" and I've already had sales personally.

If people want to try and claim gTLDs are a waste and investors are crazy, at least have the numbers and facts right..

 

[Wass]

I personally have lost hours and hours only in 2 or 3 days because I had to respond to the haters but I usually lose minutes and minutes.

Why "the new gTLDs lovers" lose hours and hours in new gTLD debates???

Personally I invested in new gTLDs.
if I invest in diamonds it is normal that I am interested in diamonds...
if I do not invest in diamonds, it is not normal that I am interested (in bashing...) for hours and hours and for months and months in diamonds. This is my point of view.
Your question is: why do you interest in diamonds if you have invested in diamonds? Haha

Of course, you know why but you can not admit the truth...

No it's simple, very simple: I invested in new gTLDs and that's why I'm here. No secret.

 

[nvdomains]

I do't know why are you wasting time in starting this thread. Are you believing that they listen to sane advice?

Anyone listened to sane advice during .mobi or .whatever temporary mania.

When industry giants like Schilling are using their resources to promote those shit extensions, it it possible for new investors to stay away from that mania,

Few weeks back, another industry legend sold his valuable portfolio to Godaddy (somewhat cheaply to spend time with his family) but did not sell new gTLDs and want to invest in that shit.

Imagine a new investor...how he thinks after reading such things.

No one listens to anyone. Only hard lessons change a person (at least sometimes).

 

[Kate]

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I think this contradicts you're "no sales" point above. It also kinda makes it look like you (or anyone who tries to say that) are the ones who don't really know what they're doing (obviously you haven't looked very far for sales figures).

Sales are happening. In almost every extension. Nobody is denying that. But they remain rare. Flukes do not make a market.
And the notable sales are always registry sales. Domainers are not profiting much. So why bother ?
You can achieve good returns on established extensions with much less risk.

 

[dordomai]

Sales are happening. In almost every extension. Nobody is denying that. But they remain rare. Flukes do not make a market.
And the notable sales are always registry sales. Domainers are not profiting much. So why bother ?
You can achieve good returns on established extensions with much less risk.

.xxx and .mobi and .co had the highest sales early when there was still hype and the first two are pretty much dead now sales wise. early sales do happen but they tell us little about long-term potential. If anything future sales will likely be worse than early sales.

I think what is happening that some end-users with a lot of money and little knowledge about domains can be persuaded to pay large sums for a domain on a new extension when they hear they are buying into a big new trend (see sex.xxx). After a while it becomes obvious that the new trend simply doesn't happen and they stop paying big money for domains with questionable prospects. That is why the early hype is so incredible profitable for registries. They can sell overpriced domains to people with a poor understanding of the market.

startup chooses a .com: Who cares? .com is outdated
startup chooses a nGTLD: this proves that the nGTLDs are the future

 

[FPForum]

Sales are happening. In almost every extension. Nobody is denying that. But they remain rare. Flukes do not make a market.
And the notable sales are always registry sales. Domainers are not profiting much. So why bother ?
You can achieve good returns on established extensions with much less risk.

Did you read the first post? Looks a little bit like denial of sales to me, but maybe "no sales" doesn't mean what I thought it did, lol. Sales remain "rare" you say, yet new extensions are still being released all the time and many of these extensions are not that old. Aside from some like XYZ many of these extensions are barely hitting their 1 or 2 year anniversary. Are you guys really expecting immediate results from new gTLD extensions? COM's didn't really sell for "crazy" prices in it's first 1-2 years, did it?

It's true, most of the big sales you see are going to be registry sales. But let's be honest, most domainers aren't even selling their .COM's for six figures (although we all wish that we could be). Just like .COM, there are gTLD sales that go unseen as well. The latest DNJ article came out and guess what? Another nice gTLD sale followed by a bundle of other .CLUB sales.

There were three more country code sales on the Big Board, all posted by Sedo, including another one in the top ten - #8 4U.de at $11,187. The non .com gTLDs had two more entries (in addition to Santa.org) - #10 Equals.net ($8,800 at Sedo) and #12 Diamonds.club ($8,246 at GoDaddy).

source

gTLD's can be profitable. I'll be the first to say (and you can mark my words here) that I honestly believe you guys (and gals) might as well make room for them, because they are going to be a thing in our future. The owners of these registries are made up with lots of people who made millions from the .COM boom that people these days are still chasing. They know what they're doing because most of them have probably been doing it longer than many on this board. They've already made good profits on some of the more premium gTLD sales we are seeing. Expect to see plenty of money put into promotion and advertising of these extensions in the coming years. If you think companies like Minds+Machines and Donuts don't have money to invest then you haven't been around domaining very long. Just like .COM, virtual reality, smartphones, 3D stuff and most everything else in technology - Things take time when introducing something so new to the public. People will still make unwise decisions and investments with gTLDs just like with .COM. Most of the gTLDs I invest in are specific to a niche or industry and buying stupid keywords and such wouldn't be a good idea. So, just like .COM, some work is involved.

You guys keep saying there is no profit there. Just makes it easier to pick up more of them for pennies and flip for $XXX and $XXXX. Plenty of profit in that for me

 

[james haw]

I think this contradicts you're "no sales" point above.

It's a bit unfair to pull a single thing out of context and focus on it as if it was my only angle. I said various other things:

This was written simply as a tongue-in-cheek alternative to:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...urs-and-hours-in-new-gtld-discussions.966360/

Why see the few sales and think all TLDs will follow suit, and not that it was a few with good keywords

There is profit to be made in gTLDs with the right keywords, but this does not mean buying across the board for any gTLD is going to make a profit.

'At the moment' most purchases are domainers, and you can see this by tallying up:

• Sales reports
• Domains parked
• Domains dropped
• The sheer number of domainers trying to sell them and raise hype about them

Totals from the above shows the gross numbers are not real sales!

No-one is trying to raise hype or ague .com is valuable, and there is a reason for that. In fact, the only hype I see about .com is negative hype from avid gTLD investors trying to show that .com is not just as simple as "buy anything and make profit" - in some attempt to "even" up gTLD vs .com.
I don't ever remember reading by any domainer that "all .com will make you money". .com is just about the fact that decent keywords will sell, the same keywords in all gTLDs is not the same thing. This is not an anti-gTLD domainer's slant, this is simple fact and anyone who dismisses this as an attempt to argue gTLDs are worth investing in has missed the entire point of .com and gTLD investing.


Also, re-read my bottom paragraph. I'm quite open minded.




So, my point was mostly about someone buying a poor domain on a gTLD with no sales and ignores the fact there are no sales. If a gTLD has hundreds of thousands of sales, then so be it, obviously my point was not about that. Also, what is the gTLD with the most sales to date? ("Sales" not registrations as this means nothing at all)
And, again, bear in mind that I copy/pasted the other post and just changed a few words

 

[deez007]

Blah blah blah yackady smackady.

Some will, Some wont, So what, who cares

 

[james haw]

Blah blah blah yackady smackady.

Some will, Some wont, So what, who cares

What a stupid thing to post. It's like in a help forum people posting "sorry I don't know the answer".

We're chewing the fat, debating, this is how we share knowledge and learn! If you don't care, don't post.

 

[deez007]

What a stupid thing to post. It's like in a help forum people posting "sorry I don't know the answer".

If you don't care, don't post.

Stupidity is subjective and much like beauty it is often in the eye of the beholder.

I have a certified IQ of 142 and a EQ in the top 2% of the population. Perhaps my statement is stupid only to those who are unable fully comprehend my point.

I could probably elaborate...but who cares

 

[james haw]

The owners of these registries ..They know what they're doing because most of them have probably been doing it longer than many on this board.

"What" is it you think they've been doing? You think their interests are in helping domainers make a profit?

They're in businesses to make money, and their model is selling large quantities at low prices, to anyone willing to buy them. This means hype, news about "whatever.sometld" sold for 5 or 6 figures. They only care that such TLDs go on to re-sell because it means they potentially make more registry sales from others jumping on the TLD too.

But don't think for one second their pump-and-dump approach is necessarily going to help you! If a TLD becomes profitable etc, then it was because the world/end users etc welcomed it, nothing to do with registries pushing to domainers IMO.

this wasn't the only gTLD sale this year. In fact, the $115,000 sale is just one of the 5 biggest gTLD sales reported so far this year.

A few huge sales in a TLD does not make that TLD valuable across the board.

"wine.club" sold for 6 figures, but all that means for other keywords in that TLD is nothing more than false and misleading hype being created from domainers pushing buying in bulk off the back of that "SINGLE" sale and other high valued sales.

Sure there are some one-off lucrative sales to be made, but they're all mostly done and gone by now, so we're talking about "general sales" where a TLD is only valuable and worth investing in when they're selling thousands per week to end users and websites being built with them.

50 sales in a TLD means nothing, especially when those sales are high value keywords, like casino, retail, wine, etc.

FWIW, I own a few club names, but only ones that make sense, and with the knowledge and acceptance that I may never see a sale, or possibly not for years.

obviously you haven't looked very far for sales figures

And by saying this you are proving my point entirely in the first post. Instead of "you don't know what is happening" why not just show us? Bearing in mind I never said there are 0 gTLD sales, I said (at least meant) "when there are barely any sales in a specific gTLD, investors ignore this".

Don't group all gTLD investors into one batch, either. In fact, most of them probably don't buy random keywords like you're suggesting above. I buy gTLD extensions which I guess makes me an investor, but I don't buy "whateverKeywords.blarrgh" and I've already had sales personally.

Of course you have. I'd be truly an idiot to not know or see that some investors are making money on gTLDs and that gTLDs have sales. You missed the point of the post, it's wasn't aimed at "everyone" it was aimed at those based on the context, those who I see daily in the forums proving they ignore the lack of sales figures when they buy "SellMopsOnline.Office", etc.

It's true, most of the big sales you see are going to be registry sales. But let's be honest, most domainers aren't even selling their .COM's for six figures (although we all wish that we could be).

No, but most .com (with ok keywords) are selling "easily" "regularly" and for 3 figures without too much hassle. A person can run a business and live a decent life with 3 figure domain sales with the right approach and business model. Many do.
Can you say the same for the gTLDs? No, maybe in the future (no-one knows for sure) but not yet!

 

[james haw]

Stupidity is subjective and much like beauty it is often in the eye of the beholder.

I have a certified IQ of 142 and a EQ in the top 2% of the population. Perhaps my statement is stupid only to those who are unable fully comprehend my point.

I could probably elaborate...but who cares

While "IQ" tests have some merit in some way, using it as some means to prove your intelligence is still ironic as it's not a real measure of "intelligence". lol.

I once did an official IQ test when I was drunk and got 125, does that mean anything?

It's just a generic test with each test having different questions (even if the structure and requirements for puzzle solving are the same). You could get 150 on one test and 75 on the next.


As you said, stupidity is subjective, and claimed someone is unable to fully comprehend a post which is entirely simple and with no possible misinterpretation of it's meaning. And in a decent debate where people are sharing knowledge, you stood up and said "this is pointless".
Stupidity comes in many forms...

 

[deez007]

While "IQ" tests have some merit in some way, using it as some means to prove your intelligence is still ironic as it's not a real measure of "intelligence". lol.

I once did an official IQ test when I was drunk and got 125, does that mean anything?

It's just a generic test with each test having different questions (even if the structure and requirements for puzzle solving are the same). You could get 150 on one test and 75 on the next.


As you said, stupidity is subjective, and claimed someone is unable to fully comprehend a post which is entirely simple and with no possible misinterpretation of it's meaning. And in a decent debate where people are sharing knowledge, you stood up and said "this is pointless".
Stupidity comes in many forms...

Once again, you fail to read and comprehend. I stated Certified IQ - meaning certified by a recognized institution. In this case, Mensa Certified. However, IQ is not always a measure of intelligence which is why I also mentioned my EQ is in the top 2% of the population.

You claim to have started this thread with the intention of debating but you don't understand the basics of an intelligent debate.

Debating 101 - make sure information you bring to the table is FACTUAL!
You say "Why they lose so much time when namebio.com and others show no sales at all?" - your exact words - really? No sales at all? (this means ZERO, not a single sale recorded of gTLD's on namebio.com) This point was also raised by another member in the comments..

Furthermore, please show me where I said "this is pointless" - you used ".." marks so I would assume you were quoting me.

You also said "As you said, stupidity is subjective, and claimed someone is unable to fully comprehend a post which is entirely simple and with no possible misinterpretation of it's meaning." - Actually, my post can have many possible meanings. Off course it would take a certain amount of mental capacity to see that.

Anyway, I have wasted enough time on this thread.... you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled not to give a cr@p.

 

[ZapNano]

Sometimes people just have enormous of negativities; so the other observers responses will more likely to be this result. Observers and participants absorbed things in a different.ways. Some Species takes time to adopt new resources; A causes B to react, this is normal. Species that are easily to adopt to changes, can sometimes have advantage, and of course there is also disadvantage they have to deal with; such as other Species that couldn't adopt changes. These are all natural. There is zero right or wrong. It's how you present yourself to the.world

 

[james haw]

Sometimes people just have enormous of negativities; so the other observers responses will more likely to be this result. Observers and participants absorbed things in a different.ways. Some Species takes time to adopt new resources; A causes B to react, this is normal. Species that are easily to adopt to changes, can sometimes have advantage, and of course there is also disadvantage they have to deal with; such as other Species that couldn't adopt changes. These are all natural. There is zero right or wrong. It's how you present yourself to the.world

James looks around wondering if he's wondered into a nature forum...

[In David Attenborough's voice]
And, here in their natural habitat, two domainers, talking cobblers nothing to do with the topic. Each one, doing a mutual ritual of complimenting each other, with likes, even though, in the very reality that they are attempting to observe and point out a lack of understanding, they are, in fact the very ones with said lack of understanding.
Each will forage for a very specific TLD, but likely will gather things that have very little sustenance. Due to this abundance of product with little quality, they will, sadly, very likely perish, come this winter.

 

[james haw]

Once again, you fail to read and comprehend. I stated Certified IQ - meaning certified by a recognized institution. In this case, Mensa Certified. However, IQ is not always a measure of intelligence which is why I also mentioned my EQ is in the top 2% of the population.

You claim to have started this thread with the intention of debating but you don't understand the basics of an intelligent debate.

Debating 101 - make sure information you bring to the table is FACTUAL!
You say "Why they lose so much time when namebio.com and others show no sales at all?" - your exact words - really? No sales at all? (this means ZERO, not a single sale recorded of gTLD's on namebio.com) This point was also raised by another member in the comments..

Furthermore, please show me where I said "this is pointless" - you used ".." marks so I would assume you were quoting me.

You also said "As you said, stupidity is subjective, and claimed someone is unable to fully comprehend a post which is entirely simple and with no possible misinterpretation of it's meaning." - Actually, my post can have many possible meanings. Off course it would take a certain amount of mental capacity to see that.

Anyway, I have wasted enough time on this thread.... you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled not to give a cr@p.

If you don't give a crap why all the posts? There are threads I don't give a crap about, and you know what? Even with my tiny pea-sized brain working on the most basic level of intelligence and trivial IQ level, I can fathom the simplicity of "not posting" is what one does when one does not care



For someone who states they have a high level of intelligence, they seem to fail to grasp a very simple and most basic concept, which I explained and have quoted previously:

This was written simply as a tongue-in-cheek alternative to:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...urs-and-hours-in-new-gtld-discussions.966360/
It was also a copy/paste with some words changed around.

Is that highlighted enough now for you to be able to lower your super high intelligence down to a basic level which you rarely nest in?



The potential superiority complex and vainglory aside, the problem with claiming a higher level of intelligence to others, and claiming they don't understand you because of that, is when you contradict yourself and fail to see the most basic point you look entirely silly.

Perhaps my statement is stupid only to those who are unable fully comprehend my point.

Sincerely, the last paragraph of my OP is now entirely dedicated to you.

 

[wayne wooldridge]

....In other news.... one could simply create a thread that could potentially cover the same bases, without the high probability of becoming derailed to the point that the initial subject is completely lost in the folds....

Instead of pointing out the faults of the "other side", why not just ask what motivates them to do what they are doing? (Minus the assumptions etc..) ideas would flow between the sides more fluently, IMO.

 

[ZapNano]

It is how YOU present yourself to the world+
And your education start at home.