The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

The question wasn't about Clinton or Reynolds it was about you.

Did learning that Bill Clinton pardoned a convicted pedophile change your opinion of him?

I guess the answer is no.

You didn't really add anything new. He served his sentence. Added in some fraud and porn charges, but left out it was in Zimbabwe, where it is illegal, not here in the U.S. where it's legal.

So you have a problem with Bill pardoning him, Bill not doing this stuff himself, but ok with Moore and Trump? And he was pardoned on the bank fraud, after serving time for the other stuff. "President Bill Clinton commuted the sentence for bank fraud."

This your typical crutch Clinton stuff, anything do avoid answering this:

he partied and was good friends with convicted pedophile Epstein
supported Moore, some pedo
there is a child rape allegation
multiple allegations he walked in on underage girls undressing
multiple sexual assault allegations
on tape "grab them by the......"
on tape talking about dating some 10 year old girl when she gets older as she was going up the escalator
on tape many times talking sexually about Ivanka
on tape talking about legs and boobs of 1 year old daughter

Knowing all that, what is your opinion of Trump?

Why do you keep skipping that? Just be honest for once. What do you think of Trump in regards to all of that?

 

[offthehandle]

So I can receive some hate mail christmas cards.... my 2 cents are to Defund and Evict the UN from NYC, Defund NATO, Renegotiate on all external Debt to reduce to 1% fixed interest non compounding and repayment extend it 50 years, Put same trade embargoes that exist on Russia and Venezuela on China. No more asian imports, including Japan, Korea and China, Issue No more H1 whatever visas, make Google, Apple, etc move out physically to where they are dodging taxes, Implement a 1 year waiting period and background check 100% funded by all ME countries visa applicants themselves, end all migration prrograms from all countries unless they have $100k cash to bring in and to invest and are skilled labor and necessary, Send the nukes into Rocketman. Radical problems require radical solutions. Bomb the crap out of ISIS 1 more year then leave it all behind and sell arms to Pro american regimes in ME for their own self defense. Shift focus off ME and Strengthen ties with western hemisphere N, C and S america trade to improve the situation in the western countries. Increase fair trade within the western hemisphere. End farm subsidies and export excess food where needed at fair market value.
Promote the break up of the EU, ban all French wine and German car imports until Trade is balanced. Allow Iberico jamon to be imported into the US.

Allow California, Oregon and Washington to sucede into their own Nation, creating their own military, etc. Allow Texas to do what they want. Send the democrats to capitalism training boot camp. Layoff 30% of US Govt workforce, criminalize Lobbying, decriminalize and tax all drug use and let the strong and intelligent survive and the idiots party on and expire. Increase alcohol and tobacco taxes to subsidize retraining for shrinking of law enforcement when drug and border controls are no longer needed. Seize all assets of Soros to pay for 30% US Gov layoffs. Deport Antifa, BLM, KKK, socialism parties and all hate groups etc to Guantanamo for reeducation. Change Term limits for all politicians to 4 years maximum. Bulldoze Chicago and start over. Regulate Big Pharma to normal standard profits of other industries. Increase interest rates back to “normal” levels of 5-7%. Sit back and watch the entire thing fix itself.

Make all persons 15-18 work after school 3-7pm at menial entry level jobs like washing dishes, mowing lawns etc. to learn what work ethic really means. 10 year prison sentences for cellphone usage while driving and in an auto accident.

Yes I am serious, and sober as I type this. Totally unrealistic and politically incorrect. Merry Xmas.

 

[JB Lions]

The question wasn't about Clinton or Reynolds it was about you.

Did learning that Bill Clinton pardoned a convicted pedophile change your opinion of him?

I guess the answer is no.

I guess the answer is Yes for you, that you're ok with Trump and Moore and all their activities involving women and underage children.

My opinion of Clinton is the same. Thought he was a good President with poor moral character. Do I like it, no, but I don't know the details of the pardon.I know the guy already served his time for that and was pardoned on the fraud.

But, I guess you'll keep dodging my questions. You actually support pedos. I also guess you're ok with Trump pardoning Arpaio who "Arpaio failed to follow through on at least 32 reported child molestations, even though the suspects were known in all but six cases"

 

[mr-x]

You make accusations and then make up answers.

I guess the answer is Yes for you, that you're ok with Trump and Moore and all their activities involving women and underage children.

My opinion of Clinton is the same. Thought he was a good President with poor moral character. Do I like it, no, but I don't know the details of the pardon.I know the guy already served his time for that and was pardoned on the fraud.

But, I guess you'll keep dodging my questions. You actually support pedos. I also guess you're ok with Trump pardoning Arpaio who "Arpaio failed to follow through on at least 32 reported child molestations, even though the suspects were known in all but six cases"

 

[JB Lions]

You make accusations and then make up answers.

You just dodged my question again, after I answered yours. No integrity.

My position has been clear and hasn't changed.

Dodged it again below in your response. You can't tell me your position, you can't link to a post from you, telling me your position. Because you've dodged it every single time I've asked. Yet another lie from you, as expected. A. tell me your position or B. link to post where you make your position clear. You can't do either.

As far as Moore, you have been clear. Clearly trying to deflect anytime the topic of Moore came up.

What's clear is this. You give a pass on truly abhorrent behavior if the person is a Republican.

 

[mr-x]

You just dodged my question again, after I answered yours. No integrity.

You mean accusations.

I guess the answer is Yes for you, that you're ok with Trump and Moore and all their activities involving women and underage children.

My opinion of Clinton is the same. Thought he was a good President with poor moral character. Do I like it, no, but I don't know the details of the pardon.I know the guy already served his time for that and was pardoned on the fraud.

But, I guess you'll keep dodging my questions. You actually support pedos. I also guess you're ok with Trump pardoning Arpaio who "Arpaio failed to follow through on at least 32 reported child molestations, even though the suspects were known in all but six cases"

So you give a pass to Clinton but not Trump.

*edited for brevity.

 

[JB Lions]

At least 1 good thing came out of that Amtrak crash:

Child sexual abuse promoter among dead in Amtrak wreck

what the hell:

"Investigators described Gran as a close friend of Robert Mikelsons, a Dutch man at the center of the wring and a fellow supporter of the movement to legitimize the sexual abuse of children. Mikelsons, Gran and the other BoyLovers.net forum members asserted molestation and rape were healthy for the children they hurt."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...-wreck/ar-BBH5Blb?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

 

[enlytend]

The Amtrak crash is a perfect example of why sometimes we NEED regulations to rein in corporate interests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ac0fd7f097e_story.html?utm_term=.0cda1903ff9f

This wasn't "crumbling infrastructure", it was brand new track. They started running trains even though the safety feature that would have prevented the crash (the same feature the lack of which was responsible for at least 2 other serious accidents) wasn't in operation yet.

People died and suffered life changing injuries because gov gave in to corporate interests and decided not to "require" this feature to be operational until 2018. This was a KNOWN issue and the accident was preventable.

Awful.

 

[mr-x]

Not sure what rules would have prevented the train from traveling to fast.

 

[GILSAN]

Could better track design have prevented the Washington train crash? You bet it could!

In a new bypass designed to speed the trip, there is no excuse for designing and constructing a 30 mph curve immediately after an 80 mph straight section.
A higher-speed curve or a gradual reduction in speed by steps over several miles is far less likely to be missed than the sudden change that was present.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-washington-amtrak-derail-20171220-story.html

From looking at this picture of the curve where the train jumped off the tracks, it's more than obvious this was a badly designed section.

But what's amazing is how the train engineer or whatever you call him/her, didn't slow down the train prior to reaching that curve.

He was either not paying attention or didn't know the track well enough.

 

[GILSAN]

So I can receive some hate mail christmas cards.... my 2 cents are to Defund and Evict the UN from NYC, Defund NATO, Renegotiate on all external Debt to reduce to 1% fixed interest non compounding and repayment extend it 50 years, Put same trade embargoes that exist on Russia and Venezuela on China. No more asian imports, including Japan, Korea and China, Issue No more H1 whatever visas, make Google, Apple, etc move out physically to where they are dodging taxes, Implement a 1 year waiting period and background check 100% funded by all ME countries visa applicants themselves, end all migration prrograms from all countries unless they have $100k cash to bring in and to invest and are skilled labor and necessary, Send the nukes into Rocketman. Radical problems require radical solutions. Bomb the crap out of ISIS 1 more year then leave it all behind and sell arms to Pro american regimes in ME for their own self defense. Shift focus off ME and Strengthen ties with western hemisphere N, C and S america trade to improve the situation in the western countries. Increase fair trade within the western hemisphere. End farm subsidies and export excess food where needed at fair market value.
Promote the break up of the EU, ban all French wine and German car imports until Trade is balanced. Allow Iberico jamon to be imported into the US.

Allow California, Oregon and Washington to sucede into their own Nation, creating their own military, etc. Allow Texas to do what they want. Send the democrats to capitalism training boot camp. Layoff 30% of US Govt workforce, criminalize Lobbying, decriminalize and tax all drug use and let the strong and intelligent survive and the idiots party on and expire. Increase alcohol and tobacco taxes to subsidize retraining for shrinking of law enforcement when drug and border controls are no longer needed. Seize all assets of Soros to pay for 30% US Gov layoffs. Deport Antifa, BLM, KKK, socialism parties and all hate groups etc to Guantanamo for reeducation. Change Term limits for all politicians to 4 years maximum. Bulldoze Chicago and start over. Regulate Big Pharma to normal standard profits of other industries. Increase interest rates back to “normal” levels of 5-7%. Sit back and watch the entire thing fix itself.

Make all persons 15-18 work after school 3-7pm at menial entry level jobs like washing dishes, mowing lawns etc. to learn what work ethic really means. 10 year prison sentences for cellphone usage while driving and in an auto accident.

Yes I am serious, and sober as I type this. Totally unrealistic and politically incorrect. Merry Xmas.

WOW.... Great Post. Do you realize that you could become a serious Presidential Candidate with this program?

I especially like this idea: Bulldoze Chicago and start over, though I think there are several other cities that are also in need this type of clean-up.

Are you saying that Jamon Ibérico or Pata Negra Ham as it's also known as, is not allowed into the US?

 

[enlytend]

Not sure what rules would have prevented the train from traveling to fast.

Did you read the article I posted? There's a safety feature - Positive Train Control - that would have slowed the train. It was installed but not operational yet.
They shouldn't have been taking passengers until it was fully operational.

 

[jberryhill]

Other nations will step in to fill the void.

http://www.janes.com/article/76100/russia-negotiating-access-to-egyptian-airbases

 

[offthehandle]

Are you saying that Jamon Ibérico or Pata Negra Ham as it's also known as, is not allowed into the US?

Mine wasnt. Brought in a small amount from Spain last year, fully sealed and packaged and the airport customs saw it on an Xray and grabbed and said wasnt allowed. Did not give me the law or reason. i have never seen it is stores either. I was in transit too and never left the airport to enter the states. I could be wrong. I knew I forgot to remove the oranges and produce I understand was a mistake but Jamon? Packaged?

 

[GILSAN]

Mine wasnt. Brought in a small amount from Spain last year, fully sealed and packaged and the airport customs saw it on an Xray and grabbed and said wasnt allowed. Did not give me the law or reason. i have never seen it is stores either. I was in transit too and never left the airport to enter the states. I could be wrong. I knew I forgot to remove the oranges and produce I understand was a mistake but Jamon? Packaged?

The Pata Negra Pigs are found in herds in Spain and Portugal. Their color is black or dark grey, they have no hair and are left out in the open fields. For that reason they never get fat because of their roaming around the fields eating various types of acorns thus making their meat so much tastier than that of other pigs.

 

[mr-x]

I didn't see the speed limiter was install but not activated.

Did you read the article I posted? There's a safety feature - Positive Train Control - that would have slowed the train. It was installed but not operational yet.
They shouldn't have been taking passengers until it was fully operational.

 

[mr-x]

http://www.janes.com/article/76100/russia-negotiating-access-to-egyptian-airbases

https://www.defensenews.com/home/2015/11/24/egypt-russia-negotiating-missile-sale/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-a-nuclear-power-plant-idUSKCN0T81YY20151119

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...p-interest-in-mig-35-deal-with-russia-417007/

I don't understand global politics but Russia seem to have had a strategic relationship with Egypt for sometime.

 

[offthehandle]

I don't understand global politics but Russia seem to have had a strong relationship with Egypt for a long time.

Probably only pricing and they are the low bidder.

 

[JB Lions]

I bet mr-X is doing cartwheels this morning:

Prosecutors ask FBI agents for info on Uranium One deal
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-ask-fbi-agents-info-uranium-one-deal-n831436

 

[JB Lions]

I didn't see the speed limiter was install but not activated.

Posted about that earlier, this is on Congress:

Positive Train Control was not activated in this latest derailment - https://www.aar.org/policy/positive-train-control

Lawmakers agree to extend automated train deadline by 3 years

"This five year extension of life-saving technology is way too long, with way too little guarantee that PTC implementation will get done," Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said in a statement."

http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/257566-agreement-reached-on-automated-train-extension

 

[JB Lions]

Republican Party seems to be the Anti-American, Anti-Allies, Anti-World Party

They continually vote against Americans. From environment issues, to Net Neutrality, to the budget, to health care. Whatever Americans favor, Republicans vote the other way.

To Jerusalem:

U.N. Votes Overwhelmingly To Condemn U.S. Decision On Jerusalem

By a 128-9 vote Thursday, the diplomats gathered in New York City ignored U.S. objections and approved a nonbinding resolution calling on countries to avoid moving their embassies to Jerusalem.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...elmingly-to-condemn-trumps-jerusalem-decision

 

[offthehandle]

Decisions by committee are stupid. What does wasting time for a bunch of bureaucrats sitting around a big circle voting on a decision have to do with American interests?

Screw the UN, its a constant failure. Take away their diplomatic privledges and evict them out of NYC and their entire foreign lobby cartel out of DC.

Nothing wrong with becoming insular and isolationists. Being the world’s police force hasn’t worked out very well has it?

 

[mr-x]

Back-flips. I suspect is more of a horse and pony show.

I bet mr-X is doing cartwheels this morning:

Prosecutors ask FBI agents for info on Uranium One deal
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-ask-fbi-agents-info-uranium-one-deal-n831436

 

[mr-x]

Decisions by committee are stupid. What does wasting time for a bunch of bureaucrats sitting around a big circle voting on a decision have to do with American interests?

Screw the UN, its a constant failure. Take away their diplomatic privledges and evict them out of NYC and their entire foreign lobby cartel out of DC.

Nothing wrong with becoming insular and isolationists. Being the world’s police force hasn’t worked out very well has it?

Gutless allies like Canada and Mexico abstained instead of voting no. Tiptoeing around the fact the Israel isn't actually going to be pushed into the Mediterranean.

 

[JB Lions]

Nikki Hailey speaking on the vote. I will point out she did straight up lie about the decision reflecting the will of the American people, since polls show most Americans not favoring this move:

Nikki Haley: U.S. "will remember this day in which it was singled out for attack in the General Assembly for the very act of exercising our right as a sovereign nation...We will remember it when so many countries come calling on us, as they so often do, to pay even more."

Nothing wrong with becoming insular and isolationists.

Eh.

Next Dem President will have to come in and clean up the mess the Republicans leave behind again. Might be too much damage.