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Social Network Gab.com being threatened by Godaddy: 24 hours to transfer or suspension

Located in General Domain Discussion started by domainguy50, Oct 29, 2018.

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  1. Internet.Domains

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    So did Gab encourage violence, or was it a user of Gab who encouraged violence?

    This question being answered is at the root of the free speech debate.
     
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  2. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    I suggest you research the term "false flag". Find a PDF copy of the book Propaganda by Edward Bernays. Hard copies are almost impossible to find but digital copies are archived all over the web, at least for the moment. Quite frankly, unless you want to live under Orwellian climate of thought police, it is imperative to let freedom ring.
     
  3. JB Lions

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    Oh boy, false flag. I have enough conspiracy nonsense in the other thread.

    I think it's just about the TOS. You violate it, you can get the boot. There are other places that are ok with this, go there.
     
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  4. Rob Monster

    Rob Monster CEO, Epik Epik.com Staff PRO Gold Account VIP

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    I suggest you research the term "false flag". Find a PDF copy of the book Propaganda by Edward Bernays. Hard copies are almost impossible to find but digital copies are archived all over the web, at least for the moment. Quite frankly, unless you want to live under Orwellian climate of thought police, it is imperative to let freedom ring. Most of the doma
    You know the answer. In all likelihood, Gab did no such thing. Gun sellers don't kill people. People kill people. Free for all Media platforms don't typically propagate hate as a business model. Nevertheless, occasionally a whack-job (or a patsy) will post something really stupid. Censorship is not without cost.
     
  5. soidav

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    good news. hopefully, arrests are coming.
     
  6. Internet.Domains

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    There has been so many users on Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat etc. that committed acts of violence and posted about it....What I'm trying to see here is, what's the difference with GAB? .....and why ban the domain?
     
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  7. JB Lions

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    Violated the TOS.

    Epik has a TOS as well:

    Further, You may not use the Site or the Services provided through or in connection with the Site to:..............publish, post, distribute, disseminate or link to any: (i) inappropriate, profane, defamatory, infringing, obscene, adult content, nude, indecent or unlawful topic, name, material or information;

    What's wrong with nude? What action would you take? Could I use one of the domains I get from Epik to do an artistic nude site?
     
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  8. Internet.Domains

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    What TOS did they violate? I'm looking for specifics. Facts.
     
  9. JB Lions

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    Posted it earlier. Reread page 1.
     
  10. Rob Monster

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    That's right, we use discernment. We have a ToS that allows us to do that and do so without violating our own ToS. Takedowns are rare here, but phishing sites come down right away, for example.
     
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    dis·cern·ment
    /dəˈsərnmənt/
    noun
    noun: discernment
    1. 1.
      the ability to judge well.
      "an astonishing lack of discernment"
    2. 2.
      (in Christian contexts) perception in the absence of judgment with a view to obtaining spiritual direction and understanding.
    What happened to Let Freedom Ring and Censorship having a cost? So sometimes you enforce your TOS and you would want users to adhere to your TOS? What about a nude site? Some female on female or male on male? Would that be a violation?

    Side note, you can get that book you mentioned on Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/Propaganda-Edward-Bernays/dp/0970312598
    Looks interesting, uncle was Sigmund Freud
     
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  12. Recons.Com

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    He would have to look up in the Bible. And then would probably conclude that any nude is sin post Eden.
     
  13. Internet.Domains

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    For sake of public debate, please refrain from personal attacks due to beliefs. After all, that's why we are discussing this.
     
  14. carob

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    Well if they miss a payment ownership probably reverts to the seller of the domain, who gets to keep the payments and can then try to re-sell the domain.

    If this does not get resolved and Godaddy cancel the domain, no doubt it will end up in a public auction at Dropcatch.
     
  15. Rob Monster

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    Sure, let me help you understand my logic. Sites get hacked all the time, especially Wordpress sites. Many unwitting customers end up hosting content that they did not intend to host. Should we ban them because they were hacked? It comes down to intent. If someone is deliberately distributing malware, phishing or distributing child porn, we'll shut them down. As for your specific example of a nude site, no, we would not ban them. In fact, there are many adult domains registered at Epik. We don't generally host hard-core porn and would encourage it to be hosted elsewhere.
     
  16. domainguy50

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    Agreed

    Elliot Rodger posted his videos On youtube vowing to kill every sorority girl in the city the next day. youtube did not forward this video to law enforcement and the kid unfortunately did the act the next day. will PayPal and godaddy stop advertising on youtube? Of course not because money is more important to these.companies than morals or values. Its much easier to stifle a small Startup like gab to make a statement While looking the other way at antisemite on facebook, murderers on youtube, and pedophiles on twitter
     
  17. Rob Monster

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    Read Song of Solomon. Some of it would make DH Lawrence blush. :) The God that designed the penis and the vagina, and indeed did so across many species, designed it to be pleasurable. Solomon, arguably the richest man of all time, had 700 wives and 300 concubines. Most Christians I know certainly aren't prudes.

    This thread is about freedom of speech. If you want to dispense with Rules for Radicals Alinsky-style ad hominem, be my guest, but I will happily engage this debate as long as you like inviting readers to conclude for themselves whether it is better to have Orwellian Newspeak determine every narrative, or whether humanity is better off to be able to research.

    Without a doubt, the search for truth is the single most important thing any human can engage in. Indeed, it is the meaning of life. I filled 2 libraries over a 10 year period in my own personal search and the Internet was certainly a key factor in that process. And I know for certainty what is at the end of the rabbit holes and I am thankful for a free Internet for having made that possible.
     
  18. carob

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    In another thread about freedom of speech someone recommended this book, and I actually bought it and I recommend it too. Freedom of speech is challenging.

     
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    Are you open to them transferring the domain to Epik?

    Brad
     
  20. carob

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    I won't use services such as Blue Host that say they will ban you for nudity.

    The implication here is that the intervention is manual. I hope so. Because in many cases where intervention is automated, bots detect skin tones and can ban you for bikini pics because they think they see nudes.

    But can I suggest next you update the term child porn to always use instead the accepted term "child abuse porn" because it always is abuse, children cannot consent to being in such stuff.

    For info, Rob at Epik is a man of principle, whether or not you agree with his principles, and has stood up to bullying by proxies of the pharma industry by insisting on due process for cancelling pharma-related domains.
     
  21. Rob Monster

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    I actually want to talk to their CEO. I have not decided.
     
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    I was just wondering because free speech issues aside, I doubt the optics are going to look real good for the new registrar.

    Brad
     
  23. Internet.Domains

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    This appears to be a "free speech issue". I am not sure you can put this aside.
     
  24. bmugford

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    The domain will never actually be cancelled and deleted. That would create a ridiculous premise when it came to ownership rights. I doubt GoDaddy wants to open up that can of worms.

    What GoDaddy would likely do is just put it in a suspended state until the domain was actually transferred.

    Brad
     
  25. Rob Monster

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    Yup, certainly not a decision I would take lightly. However, sometimes the mainstream media echo-chamber goes too far in throwing out a baby with the bathwater, which is why I am willing to take a look and hear the guy out. The issue is one of precedent. If they can take down Gab because one nut publishes nutty content, then we have a problem.
     

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