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Social Network Gab.com being threatened by Godaddy: 24 hours to transfer or suspension

Located in General Domain Discussion started by domainguy50, Oct 29, 2018.

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  1. bmugford

    bmugford www.DataCube.com PRO ICA Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Sure you can. Companies make decisions all the time based on their bottom line and how it will be effected.

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  2. Internet.Domains

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    Regardless of their bottom line, they opened the can of worms. This is a free speech issue and it's a slippery slope here on out.
     
  3. carob

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    For GD it probably is a business decision - the lost of reputation and loss of revenue for keeping it seems too high to them.

    Freedom of speech could be an issue at domain level, at hosting level, at advertiser level - whether service providers are willing to carry the speech. Or at legal level - whether it violates applicable laws and any action results.

    This is just the domain - the site can go to another domain, look at how the pirate bay changes domains.

    You may be free to say what you like, up to a point, but not every platform has to carry you.

    Complaints to advertisers have been known to destroy the business models of sites that many object to.
     
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  4. bmugford

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    Everything is a slippery slope. I don't really know enough about Gab.com in particular to say much about that. However in general, the "we are just the platform" argument only takes you so far. There have been multiple examples of where bad behavior has been shut down at platform level, such as the Silk Road for example.

    Also, it is a free speech issue if a company does not want to do business with someone. If I am a printer should I be forced to make materials for the KKK? This is a much deeper debate though.

    Brad
     
  5. JB Lions

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    It's not one nut. It's where to go for these types. Just a lot of companies are not going to associate with this type of stuff.Especially after what just happened. They'll probably just move to now.top, where the other one went.

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  6. domainguy50

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    Gab relies on section 230 immunity for a large part. They also have a TOS with posting rules that gab says is virtually identical to twitters rules circa 2015 He had an interview with npr today that explains a lot about the site: twitter (dot)com/getongab/status/1056744525274566656?s=21
     
  7. Internet.Domains

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    At this time GAB is on Twitter, so clearly not violating their terms.
     
  8. domainguy50

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    Its sad that american big tech companies won't side with Gab, so they're forced to go to an overseas country webhost company. Truly sad day in America when free speech is upheld by a Swedish web host because a webhost in san Francisco doesn't support it
     
  9. domainguy50

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    I should have been clear,.
    I Should have been more clear: During his interview with NPR, andrew Torba ceo of gab explains that his website gab has rules. The rules surprisingly are virtually the same rules that twitter had for users prior to the year 2015 (anything goes except spam and illegal material.)
     
  10. Internet.Domains

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    I should have been more clear. It's ironic that GAB broke Godaddy's terms, but not Twitter's.
     
  11. JB Lions

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    What Twitter terms do you think they're breaking? I just took a quick look, didn't see hate speech on their account. The ones that do break Twitter terms, go to Gab.
     
  12. domainguy50

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    Gab was actually just banned from Medium for no reason. Gabs ceo usually didn't post much there except his statement praying for the victims of
    in 24 hours gab has been banned from joyent, PayPal, stripe, medium, and go daddy.

    Medium actually banned him for no reason, and PayPal didn't tell him a reason for their ban either. (oddly PayPal did tell a journalist when asked for comment on the gab situation that the reason was hate speech and violent content but PayPal showed no direct examples of such content)
     
  13. Internet.Domains

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    I agree, I haven't seen the hate speech either.
     
  14. domainguy50

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    And I mentioned the bans because it reminds me of when Alex Jones was wormholed from the internet in the span of 2 days. If you are a threat to big techs lf big medias agenda, they will collude together to un-person you off the internet. this just my opinion. Both Alex Jones and gab represent free speech and conservative values online. Alex Jones was #2 news app on iOS and android, yet it was banned because Tim cook deemed him unreasonable. 3 companies all in san Francisco are deeming what we can view online
     
  15. carob

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    Deciding which platforms of theirs you can use.

    There are many platforms and many domains available to use.
     
  16. Internet.Domains

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    Right, it's about big tech deciding what we can and can't view. Up to this point there is no evidence to support that GAB is condoning or instigating violence. If they are doing that, it would be criminal.
     
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    Free speech does not always encourage violence
     
  18. domainguy50

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    Correct me if wrong but its only criminal if they make no effort to remove "violence instigation" type of material. From what I've seen, the rules on gab are clear- no violence or illegal material allowed. If gabs made aware they delete it

    gab ceo also said during an interview he forwarded all of the shooters gab profile data to the fbi before the fbi even asked which led me to start thinking- is that proper procedure? I was under the impression warrants are required then the website can hand the data. Or maybe its at their discretion. I know apple has declined to give the FBI the "keys" to their iPhone security holes even during criminal investigations which is what got me thinking during this whole thing.... it seemed like gab gave the data in an "unsolicited" manner manner almost like a violation of personal Privacy and data. I have no sympathy for the shooter but I wonder if that may be used by the defense in some way. At the time, the shooter was still an alleged shooter (he still technically is). Gab says they handed the data before the guy even surrended idk if it was exaggeration or true
     
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    Site doesn't let me edit:
    I'm sure there's a clause in gabs TOS that lets him do this, then again most social networks probably upload all their user data to the Nsa and FBI on a daily basis
     
  20. offthehandle

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    Exactly, The EU just set precedent with a free speech ruling too the other day with the Austrian Woman and her comments about a religion that seems to be sensitive to negative comments. Yet, all other religions are open season. It makes little common sense.

    This is crazyland world anymore. Either fall in line, or get the public attacking you.

    In America, Nobody has a right to NOT be offended, but private monopolies can rally their own political views however they want. They don’t need to follow the first amendment because it’s their territory. It isn’t really public. This is why free speech is under attack due to platforms and large corporations. If the web returned back to independent websites, and open minded small webhosts then it would be much easier. This social media world is polluted with all ranges of opinion, and the wrong place for free speech.

    The silicon swamp is growing. Selective Censoring, banning, preventing anyone who isn’t in agreement with them. GD is a public company, they have shareholders just like Twitter who they must answer to. Godaddy hosts Black Lives Matters, which is controversial but to the narrative that is somehow acceptable.

    Somehow starting riots and Yelling to kill police, Black Lives Matter a domestic terror group fits in the terms of service, but they should be banned too if Godaddy was morally correct, but of course that would be all over the news, be called racist, etc. Politically correct world.

    https://whoisip.ovh/184.168.138.1

    https://whoisip.ovh/blacklivesmatter.com
     
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    He sounds like a very pleasant individual! (sarcasm)

    You can't have absolute free speech. A classic example is that you can't yell out "There's a fire!" in a crowded movie theatre, because it will probably cause a stampede and people would get seriously hurt.

    I say think of it like a basketball game: You can't wildly swing your elbows around if there are other players near you - you will get called for a foul and rightly so. Those actions are therefore curtailed and may result in a flagrant foul.

    Similarly, if you allow a cesspool to fester where psychos are allowed to radicalize themselves in an echo chamber and create an atmosphere that quite obviously harms others, that's harmful to society, and that type of free speech also needs to be curtailed.

    And it does harm others: it creates harmful social behaviours and turns some people into jerks and makes pre-existing jerks even worse, and some of them do end up acting violently towards others. Even the ones who don't get physically violent are harmful in many other ways.

    They are a cancer upon society.
     
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  22. golan

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    Sorry, i usually like what you are saying, but this time can't agree with you at all. Left are the worst antisemits. So if it's against the left - it's good for Jews. Period. Free speech is good for Jews. Period.
     
  23. golan

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    Exactly. But more than that: you should never ever have your own domain registered with GD, and/or your own site hosted on GD. When i grab a domain there for my own use, not for sale, i only start developing a site on it once i successfully transferred this domain out of GD.

    Also i always suggest all my clients against using GD.

    Exactly!

    [​IMG]

    Rob, i never had any business with Epic, but now i shall look at your site and maybe move all my new regs there.
     
  24. MrAcidic

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    Left, right, centre whatever your political persuasion is if you are intolerant, or tow some party line just for the sake of it then you are a lemming and can go and jump off the cliff with all your other fellow lemmings.

    Free speech is an illusion, the minority rule as they always have done and always will do.
    The dominant minority has existed since humans started to group together to form the first towns and cities, all that has happened recently is the power has become more concentrated on a global level - no big deal.

    We live in a world governed by law where those with money/power will manipulate those laws to their own ends - basic survival of the fittest mentality, so I will just keep plodding along and making sure I do my exercises.......
     
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