SEO PRACTICES with new gTLDs - Great CASE STUDIES - Read & Learn

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  1. atinc

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    Two great articles from SEO experts, they are testing and comparing SEO results for dot Com and new gTLDs.

    Below you can see some of the highlights from the articles and I strongly suggest all of you read the complete articles.


    Article #1:

    Actual results, not just speculation, is much better in proving the value of New gTLDs, especially the keyword rich ones.

    Let’s look at, for example, two separate, totally unrelated websites that moved from .COM to a New gTLD domain name. I studied the results of a car dealership moving from a .COM to a .CARS domain name, and published a case study with the detailed results. I then studied a local attorney’s website that moved from a non-keyword rich .COM to a keyword rich .ATTORNEY domain name. I also published detailed results, as well, in a case study. What I found was, in both cases, the websites appear to have benefited from migrating to a domain that has their keyword in the ending, a keyword in the TLD.

    After reviewing data about the migration, reviewing keyword rankings before and after the migration, and thoroughly reviewing the site’s Google Analytics data, I can honestly say that the site didn’t suffer any rankings drops. It was quite the opposite, the site’s enjoying first-page organic rankings for a significant amount of keywords. And, you have to admit that a top ranking for an important keyword phrase is pretty impressive, even if it’s for an Exact Match Domain (EMD).

    Google stated that “Overall, our systems treat new gTLDs like other gTLDs (like .com & .org). Keywords in a TLD do not give any advantage or disadvantage in search.”

    But what’s interesting to note, however, is the fact that keyword rich exact match domain names, especially those that have keywords in their endings, tend to rank fairly well.

    source: www.searchenginejournal.com/moving-new-gtld-domain-name-help-rankings/163098/


    Article #2:

    Some see a positive SEO effect:

    There have been a few notable instances of websites that not only don’t rank worse than .com, but actually appear to perform better. Take, for example, the remarkably quick success of coffee.club.

    coffee.club is one of the biggest success cases so far for a new TLD. The website was able to climb to the front page of Google US for searches of coffee club, which is very uncommon for a new website.

    In order to rank highly for a search query, backlinks are beneficial because the anchor text (the text that the reader sees and clicks on) becomes associated with the domain name via a hyperlink. Had the links displayed Coffee Club with a hyperlink to coffee.club then this wouldn’t be unusual; however, this was not the case for any of the links. Not only that, the term coffee club wasn’t used anywhere else like the title, meta description, content or alt tag for a photo.

    What’s unusual here is that none of the links use the anchor term coffee club, and interestingly, 80% use the term coffee.club. This supports the idea of Google considering a top-level domain as a keyword. In this case, it would be noticing backlinks with the term coffee.club and interpreting it as the phrase coffee club.

    source: www.hover.com/blog/do-new-top-level-domains-affect-seo/


    Still both articles states that :

    • New gTLDs won’t rank any worse than .com

    and


    • We just don’t have enough data to show us that New gTLDs help on rankings.


    In my opinion, results speaks for itself...

    If you are a developer and know how SEO works, you can make your own tests and see if you came up with same results.






     
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    The thread you shared got no relevance with the information given above.

    They are focusing on the subject : Domains vs. pay per click: Do new TLDs work?

    Our subject is :

    SEO PRACTICES with new gTLDs - Great CASE STUDIES - Read & Learn

    I provided two different articles which I believe the one you share above just took a very small part of the original and complete article.

    You should read the complete thread and see both articles before making any assumptions.

    And make sure you come back later to post your thoughts.



    Best,
     
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  4. JB Lions

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    It does, you're the one not reading. The jacksonville attorney example I linked to is one of the examples used in Article #1. Take the examples used, do a Namepros search on them.
     
  5. atinc

    atinc ∴ Entrepreneur ∴ Business Account

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    I read the thread and the article shared on it.

    You should do the same.

    :xf.wink:

    Plus, if you like to make any statements just make a statement cause I don`t see your point here.
     
  6. JB Lions

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    Here's another one about the 3d carat diamonds joke of a study, again, what you posted Article #1 - https://www.namepros.com/threads/bill-hartzers-seo-and-the-not-com-revolution-presentation.957691/

    What you're bolding - "What I found was, in both cases, the websites appear to have benefited from migrating to a domain that has their keyword in the ending, a keyword in the TLD."

    In nonsense, if you read the link I posted.

    "In addition to the relaunch, Eric’s team concentrated on posting blog entries (initially about seven per month) containing keywords they hadn’t yet been ranked on search results":

    added more CONTENT
     
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  7. atinc

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    Sorry but you are just being hopeless on any reality states that new gTLDs have a great potential based on the keywords they are registered.

    See my contents first, it is wider - Including two different threads published here and there are EXTRAS.

    The source I gave for article 1 has been used in two different threads in different times.

    You should check for the article #2 as well, since you may learn some reality which you love to avoid by speculating nonsense without backing it up with no knowledge of SEO or what so ever.
     
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  8. atinc

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    See the article #2 which is backing up his statement with another case - coffee.club

    There are 2 SEO experts making the same statement with different studies and you are here calling them nonsense.

    With

    If you have read the complete article you wouldn`t write Eric`s example.

    I do you a favor answer is below:

    Article #1
    • Whenever I talk to a fellow SEO and mention them, I get the same answer, “But I never see any of those domains in the search results…so they must not rank well.” Or, “Whenever I see one it’s just spam.” Those tend to be the SEOs who have no experience with them, or haven’t done any testing.
    • While over 17 million New gTLD domains have been registered (see https://ntldstats.com/tld for current data), we just don’t have enough live sites on the New gTLDs. Over 400 million domain names have been registered, and 17 million is a small number of that. That’s one reason we just don’t see them showing up for search queries that we’re performing on a regular basis.
    • The fact that we’re not SEEING New gTLD domains rank doesn’t mean that they’re NOT ranking well and using one will help rankings.
    Another correction from your post:

    On Article #1 they don`t mention 3d carat diamonds but they do mention 3Carat.Diamonds

    SMH
     
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  9. JB Lions

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    Article #2

    "As for whether there is an SEO benefit from having a new TLD, as of now it’s anyone’s guess."

    It's because it has lots of backlinks, owned by Coffee.org which has an affiliate program as well, plus actual content etc.

    The first example, jacksonville attorney, again - https://www.namepros.com/threads/domains-vs-pay-per-click-do-new-tlds-work.938673/#post-5468110

    They were already ranking on the .com, they added new content

    Also jacksonville.attorney, guess what? Forwards to a .com now

    Again, this is what you bolded, trying to push:

    "What I found was, in both cases, the websites appear to have benefited from migrating to a domain that has their keyword in the ending, a keyword in the TLD."

    The one case he was talking about was jacksonville attorney. The author and you left out the other stuff they did, again, added new content.
     
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  10. atinc

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    You are hopeless @JB Lions

    Read the article #2 appropriately, he clearly says it is not because of the backlinks since it was only mentioned "coffee.club: not "coffee club" and guess how google proceeded it? :xf.grin:

    On the other hand, He said "in both cases", not just about jacksonville.attorney, yet you can`t stop yourself from speculating as always.( Also you are using a different link than the one I provided where people can find the real full content.)

    Also in which scenario do you forward a domain to another?

    When there is no enough attraction, and you need more attraction from other`s type-ins.

    Be Careful he is not forwarding dot com to a new gTLD he is forwarding a new gTLD to a dot com.

    Yet you can`t understand it, don`t you, or you just avoid the facts as you always does when it comes to new gTLDs.
     
  11. JB Lions

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    What are you even talking about:

    You said
    "Be Careful he is not forwarding dot com to a new gTLD he is forwarding a new gTLD to a dot com."

    I said
    "Also jacksonville.attorney, guess what? Forwards to a .com now"

    Where do you see me saying a dot com is forwarding to a new gtld?
     
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    There might be new members here who doesn`t understand why @JB Lions is everywhere on new gTLD forum bashing all the good news for gTLDs.

    Let me clear it for you folks: He is strictly investing on dot coms and own zero new gTLDs and his aftermarket sales are suffered dramatically since new gTLDs has established.

    Yet I have to admit that he owns few killer .coms in his portfolio.

    You might ask the same question about me, why am I promoting new gTLDs?

    I am just speaking the real facts given by real experts from the industry just to educate you.

    I have experiences using a new gTLD for one of the businesses I own and I can say that it is really helping us grow and reaching out to new customers as well as giving us a good credibility by owning such niche in our industry. (interested to know what it is, visit Link Removed by Mod)

    You might see my signature dominated by new gTLDs but I own 55% gTLDs and 45% .coms ( which are mostly killers)

    I have to say that I am seeing so many new domainers on namePros listening to these guys and losing so much money registering nonsense dot com domains or buying so called brandable domains from them while there are too many opportunities still available on new gTLD side.

    I won`t try to sell my new gTLDs to you, cause I haven`t registered them to selling to you!

    I will only encourage you to invest smartly.

    But on the other hand gTLD bashers are here to sell their left out crappy domains and profit from the new domainers little knowledge.

    Heads UP People!

    Heads Up!
     
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  14. JB Lions

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    Bashing? Drastic much?

    And my sales haven't suffered, best year so far. You on the other hand, no sales. Even dropping links in your post.

    You actually haven't addressed any of the issues brought up.

    I linked to 2 different threads here going thru some of the examples used in the articles you posted. You didn't touch any of the points brought up.

    Feel free to take my post apart on one of the examples used - https://www.namepros.com/threads/domains-vs-pay-per-click-do-new-tlds-work.938673/#post-5468110

    The part about adding content or "He worked with New York-based Momentum Names, a reseller of Rightside’s new generic Top Level Domains"

    This is where you want to get your SEO advice from? People selling new gtlds?
     
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  15. atinc

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    Lol, Man you calling this drastic?

    I post two SEO expert`s articles and see what kind of crab you are coming with.

    Drastic, indeed.
     
  16. JB Lions

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    You post, you don't discuss. Go thru it. Tell me where I'm wrong in my post about jacksonville.attorney, a domain they're now forwarding to a .com.

    Or the other example used, the .diamonds, you have a few smart people asking good questions, taking the joke of a test apart - http://www.domaininvesting.com/com-versus-new-gtlds-real-world-test-results/

    For the PPC campaign - “We were going for 100 clicks per campaign”

    Anybody who does PPC, testing etc, knows 100 clicks is a joke to measure anything and come to some sort of conclusion. A joke.

    You don't want to dig into the details, you just like the headlines.
     
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    You edit like crazy, sorry I can`t catch up.

    There are too many points that you haven`t replied either. TOO MANY!

    And you haven`t made any points you just shared previous post with unrelated topics only giving the same examples.

    What problems are addressed I can`t see nothing than pure speculation without any knowledge on SEO.

    These are the articles I post, like it or not they are written by SEO experts and they have shared their own tests and experiences.

    Now you are accusing them to be new gTLD sellers?

    You are shooting in all directions, for what? You can`t sell your dot coms by bashing new gTLDs!

    This is being your best year so far - I don`t want to comment on it since I don`t want to break your heart.

    That being said, I don`t enjoy you coming up with speculations with no back ups at all.

    Dozens of new comers have been failed and continue to fail just because of misleading comments they seen here by the same people all the time.
     
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    I wish we could have this thread cleaned a little bit by mods ..

    It was such a good idea by @atinc to discuss SEO practices with new gTLDs, as it certainly would be very useful for all new gTLD investors..and now this thread becomes again totally unreadable....oh yeah..
     
  20. JB Lions

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    It's not that complicated.

    atinc linked to some articles.

    Those articles used specific examples to come to some sort of conclusion

    Those examples have been gone thru by me, others here, and on domainer blogs etc. I literally posted links to at least 3 different places, I'm sure you guys didn't actually read any of them. And those discussions happened before both you joined this forum so you probably didn't know. Hence the links so you can catch up.

    You guys aren't touching any of those specifics.

    atinc actually bolds stuff like this:

    What I found was, in both cases, the websites appear to have benefited from migrating to a domain that has their keyword in the ending, a keyword in the TLD.

    Meaning he agrees with it, but won't discuss it. It benefited from more CONTENT. But if you want to believe and pass on (lie) that the benefit was a change from a .com to a new gtld, that will just reflect on you. If there was a benefit, don't you think they would have kept it? Instead of now redirecting it to a .com? That was another question you'll skip.

    I also want to point out this thread is posted in the gTLD Discussion section. See that word discussion? If you don't want discussion, start a blog and shut down comments and don't post in forums.
     
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    Where do you see it says that it benefited from more content?

    Which article?


    Comments from the posts you have shared?

    Made by who?

    SEO Experts? or by fake dot com prophets like you?

    There are 4 different new gTLD tests and examples on these articles highlighting how SEO favors those exact match gTLDs, two written articles from two different SEO Experts!

    You believe what you want to believe not the reality...

    a gTLD is redirected to a dot com? For what reason do you think they do that?

    It is to gain more traffic that is provided by the new gTLD. I answered it you missed it again.


     
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  22. JB Lions

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    Yes, content, it's one of the things they said they did.

    "In addition to the relaunch, Eric’s team concentrated on posting blog entries (initially about seven per month) containing keywords they hadn’t yet been ranked on search results"

    If it was the extension then - "If there was a benefit, don't you think they would have kept it?"

    Why did you skip that? Why would they redirect that .attorney domain if they really felt it gave them a boost?

    And don't act like some sheep because somebody writes some article and calls themselves an expert.

    One such expert only used 100 clicks go gauge some PPC campaign, the diamonds one. Did you not read the comments to the blog I linked to? I've literally sent millions of clicks thru PPC, 100 clicks is not enough data to come to any type of conclusion. It's a joke. A little common sense.

    Just read dheeru comments on it - http://www.domaininvesting.com/com-versus-new-gtlds-real-world-test-results/

    Your perspective is pretty clear "Wait and see the victory of new gTLDs..."
     
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  23. atinc

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    OMG you really didn`t read the complete articles don`t you?

    Or you just spamming around this?

    Seriously?

    It was a test which they run for specific key words!

    You are literally taking the domainers word against SEO Experts, unbelievable!
     
  24. JB Lions

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    I swear, it's like you have reading comprehension issues or something. Not only did I read them, I linked to threads where we talked about them before you even joined the forum. Domainer vs SEO? I started in the affiliate marketing world. I'm well versed in SEO and PPC, 17 years worth.

    Let me get you on a record. Do you think 100 clicks is enough to gauge a compaign? Simple yes or no.
     
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    This only applies for niche industries where the extension potentially adds value. Com is and will remain most desirable to the market as a whole JMO

    The more people say how great these new extension are the less I believe them.
     

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