.mobi Secret .mobi fan spotted and revealed!!

[hawkeye]

Guess who bought Tickets.mobi!!? Straight from the 'king' himself!

RicksBlog


Time for naysayer 'reassess'??!?

 

[acc]

Well not quite. My point is that .mobi is not an established extension like .com. An average .com is still worth more than its mobi counterpart.
Besides the scope of the TLD is narrower. A lot of businesses don't have a mobile site and will never have because they have no need for it.
Again, when I say mobile site it doesn't even mean a .mobi site.

I think you are missing a BIG point - dot mobi sites are NOT LIMITED to mobile access only - yes, they are intended to GUARANTEE mobile access but they can also simultaneously include full PC size information. You can use device detection and serve BOTH mobile and non-mobile pages. Just don't use frames, tables and large graphics on the mobile pages. Common sense requirements. Newer CSS designs already do away with the need for tables anyway and frames are typically not a real good idea to use for a number of reasons.

Dot mobi domain names are VERSATILE and an individual or a business of any size can - today - still acquire great keyword .mobi names for a small fraction of the price of their dot com counterparts. Useful, reasonably priced or downright inexpensive, and targetted toward the fastest growing segment of the online world. Not the biggest yet just the fastest growing.

Both online worlds and both extensions can coexist. Sure a .com domain name is worth more on the market TODAY. So what. All the more reason for anyone wanting to put up a website for the future to grab a good .mobi name today while they can. Dot mobi names are widely available for businesses - short, generic, easy to remember, and way less expensive.
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[Pred]

I think you are missing a BIG point - dot mobi sites are NOT LIMITED to mobile access only - yes, they are intended to GUARANTEE mobile access but they can also simultaneously include full PC size information. You can use device detection and serve BOTH mobile and non-mobile pages. Just don't use frames, tables and large graphics on the mobile pages. Common sense requirements. Newer CSS designs already do away with the need for tables anyway and frames are typically not a real good idea to use for a number of reasons.

Dot mobi domain names are VERSATILE and an individual or a business of any size can - today - still acquire great keyword .mobi names for a small fraction of the price of their dot com counterparts. Useful, reasonably priced or downright inexpensive, and targetted toward the fastest growing segment of the online world. Not the biggest yet just the fastest growing.

Both online worlds and both extensions can coexist. Sure a .com domain name is worth more on the market TODAY. So what. All the more reason for anyone wanting to put up a website for the future to grab a good .mobi name today while they can. Dot mobi names are widely available for businesses - short, generic, easy to remember, and way less expensive.
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[hawkeye]

I think you are missing a BIG point - dot mobi sites are NOT LIMITED to mobile access only - yes, they are intended to GUARANTEE mobile access but they can also simultaneously include full PC size information. You can use device detection and serve BOTH mobile and non-mobile pages...

Exactly! This is what soooo many have missed. It's not just for mobile devices!! And .mobi will get the jump on all other extensions with this scenerio, because those sites are being actively built now moreso and moreso, and with browser/device detect. And as surfers go to 'explore' these new sites to see what they are about, they will discover this. No other extension is actively being promoted (or hyped) as much as .mobi is, and will be, for the next few years, and current website owners are not running to put browser/device detect into their current sites. In a few years we will see a shift in extension popularity and usage as more and more realize which sites will be the easiest to access and use whether it be pc or mobile device. And one can rant technology and iphone praises all they want, they will however just be a part of the solutions for a mobile web, not the solution. As will .mobi.

 

[cac14850]

To put it bluntly the overwhelming majority of registered mobi are quasi worthless and don't have a chance. But I get your point.

This is completely not what Rick was saying. I think it ridiculous to say his main point was couple could be worth a fortune and the rest nothing; either you did not read the enire blog or you are making trouble on purpose. You can build a mobile site in any extension. If mobi does not take off among businesses and the general public there is no reason tickets.mobi is worth anymore than tickets.sp The point Rick is making is that these names in the mobile space would be worth a fortune. The only way the names he has become worth a fortune is if mobi becomes the mobile space. He may be right or wrong but those of us investing in mobi share that mindset.

 

[Kate]

I think you are missing a BIG point - dot mobi sites are NOT LIMITED to mobile access only - yes, they are intended to GUARANTEE mobile access but they can also simultaneously include full PC size information. You can use device detection and serve BOTH mobile and non-mobile pages. Just don't use frames, tables and large graphics on the mobile pages. Common sense requirements. Newer CSS designs already do away with the need for tables anyway and frames are typically not a real good idea to use for a number of reasons.

I have a good command of CSS and content negotiation techniques.
For that very reason I would rather use browser detection than dilute my .com branding.
mobi does nothing that .com cannot.

It may be hard for some to see now but any info offered via the pc will be offered on mobile. Why would the mobile web be limited in any way? If you could have access to the entire internet anytime, anyplace, would'nt you utilize it? While you may not, billions of others will. It will happen sooner than you think...I promise!

OK one example: I have a client that sells expensive testing equipment, they usually work on GSA schedule and deal with 5-9 federal/state bureaucrats. The average order is 35K. Really it's not the kind of business that would be conducted on a mobile site/on the move.
My client will never bother with a mobile website. It would be like eskimos purchasing fridges :]

Many many sites will never go mobile or not anytime soon because their business model does not fit mobile usage.
Now if I had say 10% mobile visitors to my site then clearly I would do something to optimise their experience it while staying in .com. But until a critical mass is reached I would have other priorities like translating my sites to Spanish for example.
I'm not afraid of missing out on mobi because mobile sites will continue to exist under .com and other extensions.

 

[newdomainer.mobi]

Well not quite. My point is that .mobi is not an established extension like .com. An average .com is still worth more than its mobi counterpart.
Besides the scope of the TLD is narrower. A lot of businesses don't have a mobile site and will never have because they have no need for it.
Again, when I say mobile site it doesn't even mean a .mobi site.

A truly arrogant comment to make "a lot of businesses will never have a need for a mobile site"
How ignorant a stance is that? - I did an exercise a long while back... I picked random 20 or 30 businesses - imaginery or real; one by one I found a use for a mobile site that would be relevant for that company (& you must treat the question as though it must be answered)

I tell you now, before I did it; I expected 50% or 60% to have a logical & relevant benefit from having a .mobi site..... I didn't pass on any of them, seriously - do it - you don't even need to come back & tell us what happened

Truth is that there are mulitple uses for any one business that would be well served or bettered by use of a mobile site; so to find any company or body that doesn't have a single potential use for a dotmobi is virtually impossible.

 

[DomainTalker]

So Rick owns these as per a thread in another forum:

Flowers.mobi
JERKOFF.MOBI
creampies.mobi
lickme.mobi
morons.mobi
freephonecards.mobi
tickets.mobi

Rick also owns:

Casinos.mobi
StockQuotes.mobi
Wow.mobi

+ a big Adult .mobi portfolio, I hear.



Most (if not all) of us here have invested in .mobi domains because we judge that it will be a profitable business investment - now, or in the future.


Some domain investors deal in $xx....and, some deal in $xxx,xxx,xxx. All are valid.


Lets not forget that a $10 investment in a .mobi - that you sell for $25 - is a 250% profit return....And, that's a terrific return on investment within, say, months, or a year (where else can you do that?)...

A profit is a profit - and that's the (only) real point of doing business.


I hear Rick Schwartz simply saying that - from all he knows - from his experience - his guess is that .mobi (and the mobile web) is likely to be pretty big....Maybe the No 2 extension to .com.

I hear him say that - in his (personal) investment strategy - he's interested in a small number of key .mobi words...because his guess is that - if his bet is right - these keywords will be worth a LOT of money one day....Because of his past activity, I (we) assume he means serious $xxx,xxx ++.


So, an experienced domainer is placing his bets on .mobi, in his own way, on his own strategy...


I'd say it'd be wise to note Rick's past experience - tuck his opinion away at the back of the mind - and, ignore the numbers he deals in...

And...

...Never forget the $25 that is a 250% return, on a $10 .mobi investment...That's great business...


...I'd counsel paying close attention to mobile web news - and trends & developments - and the opinions of those around us that you respect...


...and then follow your own instincts - taking profits along the way, when you can - whatever its size.


....Your own judgement & instincts will be as good a guide as anyone else's - even the 'famous' ones...

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[Pred]

Rick also owns:

Casinos.mobi
StockQuotes.mobi
Wow.mobi

+ a big Adult .mobi portfolio, I hear.



Most (if not all) of us here have invested in .mobi domains because we judge that it will be a profitable business investment - now, or in the future.


Some domain investors deal in $xx....and, some deal in $xxx,xxx,xxx. All are valid.


Lets not forget that a $10 investment in a .mobi - that you sell for $25 - is a 250% profit return....And, that's a terrific return on investment within, say, months, or a year (where else can you do that?)...

A profit is a profit - and that's the (only) real point of doing business.


I hear Rick Schwartz simply saying that - from all he knows - from his experience - his guess is that .mobi (and the mobile web) is likely to be pretty big....Maybe the No 2 extension to .com.

I hear him say that - in his (personal) investment strategy - he's interested in a small number of key .mobi words...because his guess is that - if his bet is right - these keywords will be worth a LOT of money one day....Because of his past activity, I (we) assume he means serious $xxx,xxx ++.


So, an experienced domainer is placing his bets on .mobi, in his own way, on his own strategy...


I'd say it'd be wise to note Rick's past experience - tuck his opinion away at the back of the mind - and, ignore the numbers he deals in...

And...

...Never forget the $25 that is a 250% return, on a $10 .mobi investment...That's great business...


...I'd counsel paying close attention to mobile web news - and trends & developments - and the opinions of those around us that you respect...


...and then follow your own instincts - taking profits along the way, when you can - whatever its size.


....Your own judgement & instincts will be as good a guide as anyone else's - even the 'famous' ones...

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[RJ]

Selling a MOBI for $25 is not a 250% return if it takes you two years to do so.

Selling a MOBI for $25 is not a 250% return if the other three you registered are unsaleable.

The TLD is not going to be what makes or breaks your investment. You can invest wisely or foolishly in every namespace. After all, over 90% of the currently registered .COM's would be considered worthless on the resale market.

As in any extension domain, buy smart and you'll be fine.

 

[tophatter]

I have a good command of CSS and content negotiation techniques.
For that very reason I would rather use browser detection than dilute my .com branding.
mobi does nothing that .com cannot.

OK one example: I have a client that sells expensive testing equipment, they usually work on GSA schedule and deal with 5-9 federal/state bureaucrats. The average order is 35K. Really it's not the kind of business that would be conducted on a mobile site/on the move.
My client will never bother with a mobile website. It would be like eskimos purchasing fridges :]

Many many sites will never go mobile or not anytime soon because their business model does not fit mobile usage.
Now if I had say 10% mobile visitors to my site then clearly I would do something to optimise their experience it while staying in .com. But until a critical mass is reached I would have other priorities like translating my sites to Spanish for example.
I'm not afraid of missing out on mobi because mobile sites will continue to exist under .com and other extensions.

Yes & aren't you the same person who said that no one will ever need a website because we have a phone book & local newspaper.
Or maybee you might be the person who didn't jump in the mobi landrush & wish they did so in that case SOUR GRAPES>

Listen all comments aside.If you are going to make a stand that a mobi site is not nessesary or will never take off than I think you should tell all the Large Cap companies that are jumping in on the Mobi bandwagon that they made a mistake investing in a mobile website. IMHO

Well . after all is said I only have one other thing to Say ,, :sold: :sold: :sold: on Mobi
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[newdomainer.mobi]

Selling a MOBI for $25 is not a 250% return if it takes you two years to do so.

Selling a MOBI for $25 is not a 250% return if the other three you registered are unsaleable.

The TLD is not going to be what makes or breaks your investment. You can invest wisely or foolishly in every namespace. After all, over 90% of the currently registered .COM's would be considered worthless on the resale market.

As in any extension domain, buy smart and you'll be fine.

RJ - As a moderator I had expected better mathematics from you...

May I just point out that $25 from a $10 domain is actually 150% profit

250% would require a selling price of $35 on a $10 domain

(But I understand & agree with your point nonetheless. Most domainers are like gamblers... they spend $200 a week on names & once a month they sell a name for $1,000 & think they're rich

As for valuations.... there must be many millions of worthless domains registered..... some serve a purpose a pure address - a number that never gets seen becuase it's links come from another site so their value is of no concern to the operator of any 'live' sites; the domain value only really matters when you're a buyer or seller (usually a dealer) so what does it matter if one domainer sells 50 names a week at $15 average profit.... if that's what makes them happy so be it.. or if they sell two per annum for 6 figures sums.. clearly the latter is getting it right but that doesn't mean their is no role for the small timer; afterall, it's them that do 95% of the trade in domains (by transaction numbers) so without them the market could freeze up!

 

[gou]

Selling a MOBI for $25 is not a 250% return if it takes you two years to do so.

It's not? (ignoring the fact that $25 would actually be a $150% return)
It wouldn't be an annual return of 250%, but it's still a 250% return. At least in securities investing we calculate capital gains that way.

Selling a MOBI for $25 is not a 250% return if the other three you registered are unsaleable.

This I agree with. Yielding a 250% return on one name is not a 250% return on your .mobi investment.

 

[RJ]

250% was DomainTalker's number, not mine.

My point was to be smart when investing your money. DT's post made it sound like every MOBI was worth something now, but the TLD isn't everything. If the mere act of registering any .MOBI made it automatically worth $25, then we'd all be getting rich from MOBI. Of course that isn't the case.

Rick made two very calculated purchases. Read his blog post again, there's more to learn from it than simply "Rick likes MOBI".

RJ

 

[tophatter]

Now Now !! Is this a Math class or a discussion

 

[RJ]

Selling a MOBI for $25 is not a 250% return if it takes you two years to do so.

It's not? (ignoring the fact that $25 would actually be a $150% return)

Maybe it is if you can convince your registrar to give you free renewals. Mine isn't going for it yet, no matter how many times I say "please". :]

 

[hawkeye]

Maybe it is if you can convince your registrar to give you free renewals. Mine isn't going for it yet, no matter how many times I say "please". :]

..but did you say 'pretty' please?? :p

 

[gou]

Maybe it is if you can convince your registrar to give you free renewals. Mine isn't going for it yet, no matter how many times I say "please". :]

Gotcha.

 

[Kate]

A truly arrogant comment to make "a lot of businesses will never have a need for a mobile site"
How ignorant a stance is that? - I did an exercise a long while back... I picked random 20 or 30 businesses - imaginery or real; one by one I found a use for a mobile site that would be relevant for that company (& you must treat the question as though it must be answered)

Bottom line: the market will decide the fate of the extension... not domainers.
To me arrogance = ignoring the actual needs of clients.
Just because you think mobi is the big thing doesnt' mean end users are massively jumping on the bandwagon.

Yes & aren't you the same person who said that no one will ever need a website because we have a phone book & local newspaper.
Or maybee you might be the person who didn't jump in the mobi landrush & wish they did so in that case SOUR GRAPES>

Care to share your sources ? I have been involved with Internet development since the early days. It's not like I am an Internet newbie :hehe:
Rick has a strategy of his own and can afford to waste $$$,$$$ on a gamble. Most domainers cannot. I would listen to his advice anyway but take it with a pinch of salt.
Cheers %%-

 

[DomainTalker]

DT's post made it sound like every MOBI was worth something now

No, RJ, of course I wasn't suggesting that every hand regged $10 .mobi would sell for $25...now, or at any time....lol

But, I was suggesting that even small amounts of profit - when you can get it - is still real profit. It doesn't have to be mega amounts every time to make your business valuable.


Nor, was I saying, of course, that an individual sale of that relativity would mark the average return on investment across your portfolio...(if you could pull that off, we'd all be very rich, very quick...Domaining is easy - but, perhaps, not quite that easy...)


I was only suggesting perspective...and, a cool head....in approaching info like Rick's opinion.....His opinion is useful to know...and may be encouraging....but that we should adapt it to our own strategy, and our own knowledge & instincts.

It wouldn't be an annual return of 250%, but it's still a 250% return. At least in securities investing we calculate capital gains that way.

Exactly, gou....

Just to be precise:

...A 250% return on investment (which is what I was saying)....but, a 150% net profit on the investment...

So, we're all correct....just needed defining the terms....:D

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[acc]

... OK one example: I have a client that sells expensive testing equipment, they usually work on GSA schedule and deal with 5-9 federal/state bureaucrats. The average order is 35K. Really it's not the kind of business that would be conducted on a mobile site/on the move.
My client will never bother with a mobile website. It would be like eskimos purchasing fridges :]

Many many sites will never go mobile or not anytime soon because their business model does not fit mobile usage.
Now if I had say 10% mobile visitors to my site then clearly I would do something to optimise their experience it while staying in .com. But until a critical mass is reached I would have other priorities like translating my sites to Spanish for example.
I'm not afraid of missing out on mobi because mobile sites will continue to exist under .com and other extensions.

Then your client's marketing department will be missing out on another selling tool. All the tech sales guys have been carrying laptops for the last ten years. I forsee a segment of them replacing or at the very east supplementing their laptop with a smart phone which they will ALWAYS have with them anyway. That is the point - a mobile device is ALWAYS with you and therefore mobile websites or subdirectories on a main PC website can be very useful for instant information or as a sales tool.

The other thing that I have used before is the billboard analogy. Every single website (.mobi or otherwise) does NOT have to actually SELL something or take orders on it. You do not drive by a billboard, stop, click on it and buy what you see displayed. It is just ONE more marketing tool. So are magazine ads, TV commercials, and promotional items handed out at trade shows and other events by companies, etc.

The business marketing model for ALL COMPANIES involves getting information in front of potential customers as often as possible - via MANY different means. And NOW that can be via MOBILE devices too. Someone may not buy today or tomorrow, but with the good, useful, and appealing product presentations over time they may be influenced or "sold" in part because of what they saw on a company's website - full sized or mobisized.

Many, many large companies have websites in .com AND several ccTLDs or gTLDs. They are not "diluting" their brands by doing so, they are targeting different market segments. Most of the real businesses in the world have not branded themselves as "something.com" - the purely online ones have sure - but not most .

There are many different industries and types of businesses out there. And different ways of marketing and supporting ones customers and clients. Having a mobile component just gives your business another way of finding, convincing, or satisfying customers.

Dot mobi has and is positioning itself to be part of that MOBILE buildout - to become synonymous with the mobile web is the lofty goal. Aim high and catch as much as you can along the way. Of course time will tell if it catches on and to what extent. And - OF COURSE - not all .mobi names will be "worth something" down the road.

One should be as discerning with choosing .mobi names as you should be with ANY extension. It has been very evident though that those who have decided not to "like" .mobi for THEIR own reasons, sure do cut all the other extensions alot more slack.
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