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For the benefit and edification of all who will ponder the move, I chose to make this public.

Most of you know me, as I've been here since perhaps the 2nd year of NP's existence. I've been a moderator/section leader for quite some time, too. I have over 100 positive TR's and am one of the few who have Achieved Greatness. And for good measure, I'll add that I moderate eleven forums here. I am a writer by trade (I am the editor of the in-hiatus namepros.com newsletter) but, as a favor to Rachel James (aka NPQueen), I joined the NP team. Those were such great days. NP was doing outstanding & people came here daily to learn the tricks of the trade and sell a domain or two. I still converse with her and her husband, Ron (aka RJ) at times. The staff here was tremendous. Michelle and Wendy were powerhouses. RJ kept things in order. And, let’s face it, everyone loved seeing the Queen in the chatroom. Things were great.

But just like every shattered dream, nothing ever lasts forever.

Things started falling apart here no long ago. All told, Ron sold NP, his baby, to someone who was going to make NP better. Yeah, traffic was decreasing a bit, among other things, and the most practical way to keep NP alive was to sell it to an entity that could stop the bleeding. I do not blame RJ for selling. He did what was best for the site. And I will not criticize Matt, the buyer of NP. Yet I do find myself questioning & here I am today, typing this out as a way to not answer these questions but to cut loose the burden of having to question them in the first place.

We all have our hopes and dreams. One of my hopes was that Matt would pump life into this site, reinvigorating NP from the inside-out. Sadly, all that had been achieved was the descent and deterioration of all that Ron had made. The worst part? We were warned but ignored it completely.

Well, nearly everyone did, anyway. I was the lone exception. Who was the prophet who first brought the issue to light? Wendy.

Ya see, as communities such as NP grow ever so big, the prospect of keeping order is a requirement. Without order, you’ll have anarchy (or something as pointlessly worthless as GFY). NP was kind of the anti-GFY: This is a moderated community and the mods here actually TRY to help ppl. But yes, moderation is needed for the grand scheme of things to float. That cannot be debated. A person is smart; people are retarded, panicky, and self-destructive. People cannot self-moderate. That’s where mods (or police, in the physical world) come in. And yes, all forms of law enforcement are hated. The issue at hand here is not the prospect of moderation.

It’s over-moderation.

Let me ask a question: What constitutes as over-moderation? Surely, penalizing people for every little thing is bad. Sometimes, a reminder to the offender that he/she was in the wrong can solve the problem. Crucifying EVEYONE isn’t the way to go. By doing so, you would, in essence, be over-modding.

But is ALL moderating “over-modding”? I once had this to say about the departed Wendy:

“I do have to side with Wendy. She and I have spoken throughout the years & I see her points. She was a good moderator/authority figure. But that draws the ire of the public. No one likes breaking a rule & being punished for it. All of us mods go through with it: If we ignore something bad, the bad guy in the situation would get away with it & wouldn't have anything bad to say. BUT the moment he's caught with his hand in the cookie jar, there'll be a long rant by the bad guy, chastising the mod for what ultimately boils down to the bad guy getting an infraction. We are 'police' here @ NP. And when ppl do bad, they'll always have criticisms. Wendy's done a lot over the years, more than most of us had. And that being true, she's had the most criticism of us all.

I'm not saying Wendy being removed was a good or bad thing. I'm only saying here that Wendy was given a bad rep from users who've been disciplined by her & it snowballed into her image being shot up pretty badly. We've all gone through it. We've all made at least 1 enemy doing our job. Wendy, sadly, made a lotta enemies. It wasn't from the quality of her work. It was the fact that she DID her work and did it well. The good guys like her. The bad guys hate her.”

Yes, poor mis_chiff stepped away. Upon her departure, I considered doing the same, as all she spoke of really made sense. I tried, instead, to ignore matters & rather than leaving, I took up a few more forums, to help out NP. I tried to dismiss the regression, pretending that everything was going to work out in the end. A few weeks later and things are now even worse. Not only is Wendy gone but a lot of the class and style had left with her. Yes, the bad guys won: She was driven out by the naysayers and spammers and rule-breakers. Wendy is gone. And today, on May 20, 2012, my name shall be added along with hers.

Effective immediately, I resign from all staff positions here at namepros.com.

Ironically, Eric told me that management believed that I was “under stress” & removed me from several forums, to collect myself. He sent me this message awhile after I made this decision to step down from everything. It isn’t stress that had gotten to me: It’s that people suddenly have gotten otherwise blind or oblivious to the rules. Again, I am an exception. Sure, I’m not perfect. Who is? We all make mistakes. But since Matt took over, NP had only gotten worse--and I’m afraid it’ll never return to its glory. Hell, I’m thinking NP might fall completely at this rate. And this destruction is from mismanagement, not mods.

Nowadays, people can cuss a storm, be impolite, and provoke argument & we mods are powerless to stop it. Today alone, I had an issue. There was a post made that contained very belligerent language & provoked a lotta bad thoughts. Had RJ been here, that post would have stayed deleted. See, Eric saw the post & refused to delete it, opting to edit a few small things. I received a complaint & saw no reason to keep such a poor post, thus I deleted it. Eric then UN-DELETED it, telling me a load of rigmarole about free speech and whatnot. (He tried to justify things by telling me I called the poster retarded, thus what comes around, goes around; I in no way called the poster retarded but merely stated that he was acting retarded) IT BROKE A LONGSTANDING NP RULE! It was impolite, offensive, belligerent, and was posted in the hopes of causing turmoil. From the NP rules:

“Posts critical of NamePros policies, staff or moderation activity (such as post edits or deletions) will likely be removed, as well as posts attempting to stir unwelcome drama (such as "I'm Leaving" type posts). If you have problems with a moderator or feel you have not been treated fairly, please contact a NamePros Administrator through the private forum we have provided.”

This exact thread might be considered as “critical” though it is merely for constructive thought (there is much worse to be read in the “Suggestions” thread). Eric, I ask that you not delete this thread or edit it in any way. If others have opinions, they should voice them, as that is the intention of this thread, other than my announcement. It may help management prevent the bleeding further.

But yes, the post I removed was against ToS & I removed it. It was then re-added by a staff member who wanted to appease users. I’ve discussed it above and I’ll say it like this: We should NOT bend to the will of rule-breakers simply to keep them happy. I don’t. But many others here do. A month back, I deleted a thread with good reason & was beseeched to re-add it simply because the poster whined and cried about it & wanted it returned. I only re-added it to prevent further bad-taste in everyone’s mouth. I suppose I contradicted myself: I did succumb before. But I will not again, ever.

I’m done. I am tired of other people telling me how to do my job. And I did my job pretty damn well. But others wanted me to regress, to make the bad guys happy. No. Forget it. During the first few months I’ve been a mod, there was an incident where a remorse-seller gave me grief over a $600 deal. He had 100% no right to the name (he refused a refund a billion times) but I caved--to protect the sanctity of NP’s image. That was when Ron and Rachel were here. I liked them. I still do. And I respect the hell outta them. They did all they could to make NP a better community. I became a mod out of respect and loyalty to them. This new management is tearing at the gears that have kept NP running all these years. In April, NP lost a team leader. In May, NP had lost a section leader. I’m afraid to wonder what’ll come up missing next month.

Nevermore shall I moderate at this forum. Wendy was right. Namepros.com is going soft & will more than likely become a haven for chaos here in the near future. I’ll probably still be here, in one fashion or another, to watch it crumble down. When it does, I’ll sleep better at night knowing that there is no blood on my hands. This wasn’t my doing. I wish NP the very best, truly. I still love this site. But if I cannot do my job the way it’s supposed to be done, then I simply won’t do it, at all.
 
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< cannot believe I just wasted an hour of my life reading this thread.........for the guy leaving, good luck in your endeavors, for everyone else find something productive to do........if you focused this much energy on productive endeavors NP might not have any problem keeping the pages full of useful and engaging information daily......just my 2 cents

I don't think that is a particularly fair point. Many of the posters in this thread have been members for years and have posted reams of insightful and thought provoking material.

This thread has allowed people to engage in a debate about what they feel NamePros needs to do to improve, survive, adapt, now and in the future. To do that, you need debate and with debate, unfortunately, sometimes comes argument. At the end of the day, I think a number of interesting points have been raised and I am sure the management here will be considering these over the coming days and weeks.
 
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What?
Someone says they wasted time reading my posts here?
For shame, for shame!

Hahahahahhaha....

Hey, I know how it is, reading a long thread with a few pages can get to a point where you wonder why you are still reading.
 
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I once had a disagreement with Archangel over the fairness of
the governments 500 million fine of Google, and he got upset and
missused is moderator powers and simply closed the thread because
he didn't like how I defended Google. I won't miss Archangel.

http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/728324-google-fined-500-million-by-feds.html

From what I read, you were totally in lala land.

Plus it seems he closed the thread because really, it got off track and you helped!
 
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From what I read, you were totally in lala land.

Plus it seems he closed the thread because really, it got off track and you helped!

Agreed, this about sums it up.

http://www.namepros.com/4177005-post20.html

(note: I have nothing against you dna, but the above post is inappropriate and Randy had ever reason to moderate the thread. I understand why the thread was closed - it was because you clearly had a point you wanted to make, made it and then if the thread had carried on it would have descended into anarchy from there on in.)
 
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1.) I started the thread & closed the thread. Too bad if you don't like it.

2.) Te thread wasn't closed because of you. Don't flatter yourself. The tread outlived its purpose. Again, live with it.

I once had a disagreement with Archangel over the fairness of
the governments 500 million fine of Google, and he got upset and
missused is moderator powers and simply closed the thread because
he didn't like how I defended Google. I won't miss Archangel.

http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/728324-google-fined-500-million-by-feds.html
 
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Archangel, wish you every success with your plans and goals!! %%-


You sound like Hulk!

:D

It's a forum. People assume things and make mistakes. If you are innocent, I'm sure 3d will apologize - he is a good guy.

Thanks DU. :D

Ok. AA said you weren't on duplicate ids. The whole thing did seem suspicious.

Yeah, coz bubulove chose the buyers side-nothing wrong with that. But we all wanted to see Reggie walk away with much more than what he was being offered. :tu: http://www.namepros.com/4313805-post54.html

Don't let it ruin the forum - be positive, contribute and forget it and it will be forgotten.

That said, this isn't the right thread for this at all. Perhaps sending 3d a PM would be better.

Bubulove has sent me a PM, and I have responded and apologized. :blink:

Conclusion: I shouldn't consider being a mod! :lol:

:wave:
 
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Thanks a lot :)

He's right, too: We wanted to be sure he didn't undersell. We wanted him to get a good deal. Somehow, Fonzie believed this was a stupid piece of advice... nice to see illogical ppl still live free :p

Yeah, coz bubulove chose the buyers side-nothing wrong with that. But we all wanted to see Reggie walk away with much more than what he was being offered. :tu: http://www.namepros.com/4313805-post54.html
 
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Is that not the whole idea here?
Of having domainers who know what they are talking about give advice to newbies, and people like me?
 
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Thanks for the Bikini Fan Chick link :)

See you around Randy... your a good boy ;)

Mike
 
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I always thought NP was for domainers to help others. Yeah, some ppl come in & wreck that idea. I'll say this: Just like in the appraisal forum, no one should be defensive if they don't like what they hear. Yet ppl still do :|

Is that not the whole idea here?
Of having domainers who know what they are talking about give advice to newbies, and people like me?


---------- Post added at 10:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:29 PM ----------

I'm a nut lol but I'm a GOOD nut. Thanks :D

Thanks for the Bikini Fan Chick link :)

See you around Randy... your a good boy ;)

Mike
 
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Well i just finished the first draft of my fifth ebook (easier to self publish) and it is no doubt a lot more rewarding than hanging out at namepros, having said that i would rather come here than do the facebook thing where all i get is junk comments about someones jam on their toast, i learn a bit here and have the fun of a witty laugh quite often.

I simply say thanks and wish all well in the knowledge a breath of fresh does everyone and everything good from time to time, ...regards
 
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Is that not the whole idea here?
Of having domainers who know what they are talking about give advice to newbies, and people like me?

Just think.. because of us you can know Skype grandchildren and that's priceless.

i also know I can look forward to cheap steak when I'm older which makes life worth living :)
 
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I always thought NP was for domainers to help others. Yeah, some ppl come in & wreck that idea. I'll say this: Just like in the appraisal forum, no one should be defensive if they don't like what they hear. Yet ppl still do :|



---------- Post added at 10:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:29 PM ----------

I'm a nut lol but I'm a GOOD nut. Thanks :D

This place used to be awesome, Making good friends , People helping each other. Then came along the smart a**es, Only here trying to make money, I say trying, because the vast majority never did. A bunch would talk shit about how they were selling and making money, but they weren't.

No different today here, I see em come and go, Talking plenty of shit of how much money they make off domaining.

So that would mean that at least 50K out of the almost 190k members here are just kicking ass and are stay at home entrepreneurs drinking shit with an umbrella in it. The sad part, A lot of people are dumb enough to believe it lol.

Now, back to the real world, Going back to 2007, If my memory serves me right, It was said to be that 2% of all domainers actually did it full time and made a living doing it. Making a living doing it doesn't mean you made a 10K sell that year.

This place has been an awesome place to learn the industry, Make some great friends, Have a hell of a lot of fun. And yes, even make a little money.

For me personally. As member "Sabre" said in this thread, I have most always kept domaining my hobby, I tried it full time for a while, I didn't fail, I just wanted my family to have more, It just wasn't to be for me to make a living domaining. And neither is it for about 95% of this forum, Maybe even higher 97% perhaps, I dunno.

But i do know that our mods here have always been more than fare to me, As i said earlier in this thread, I know who is family to me here so to speak.

It is damned sad when a man who has givin so much of time to make this place a better place, Has to sit and defend himself in farewell thread. A damned shame!
 
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Thanks for the Bikini Fan Chick link :)

See you around Randy... your a good boy ;)

Mike
I read the whole thread... I didn't see that link!!! Halp!!!

AA, I wish you the best. You're one of the good ones for sure. :great:
 
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< cannot believe I just wasted an hour of my life reading this thread...just my 2 cents

...can't believe that you're bellyachin' 'bout some thread that is in a BREAK ROOM!

If it gives you such a negative reaction, go to another thread. It's not rocket science...it's a BREAK ROOM!!

Your two cents, while appreciated, of course, ain't worth one red cent in a BREAK ROOM!!!!...
 
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I was not "off track." The subject was the Governments 500
million fine of Google and I was defending Google.
And Archangel makes it pretty clear he is closing the thread
because he doesn't like the fact that I am defending Google.
He also makes it pretty clear that he doesn't believe in free
speech, which makes him unfit to be a moderator.

"Actually, they're not 'free' from anything.
I take it that you're gonna go in circles and this thread will never have purpose again. It served it & now can be closed. That said, I'm closing this thread before any other wrong statements are debated."

Originally Posted by dna
There are websites telling people how to manufacture just about any
illegal drug you ever heard of and they are not prosecuted.
You can buy books on manufacturing illegal drugs, by Alexander Shulgin, on Amazon.com.
Amazon is not prosecuted. They are protected by the First Admendment right to free speech.
Google should defend their rights all the way to the Supreme Court
and not let a corrupt Administration extort them out of 500 million dollars.
 
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He also makes it pretty clear that he doesn't believe in free
speech, which makes him unfit to be a moderator.
It's pretty clear you don't understand Free Speech as well. It doesn't universally apply - and it certainly doesn't apply in a forum.

I can't believe you're worried about an old old thread where EVERYONE disagreed with you.

You should have opened up your new thread on why Google should fight the good fight if it's that important to you. That, I am sure, you are allowed to do.

How about a thread on how the "new" Cookie Law in Europe violates Googles right to Free Speech in Europe?
 
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How about a thread on how the "new" Cookie Law in Europe violates Googles right to Free Speech in Europe?

I would happily join you and have a grumble about that one dna. We've had to move away from Google Analytics for all but our PPC tracking. :bah:
 
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If Archangel had quit with some class, I would have been happy to
pretend that he was a good moderator. It was Archangel who chose to
give the finger to Namepros as he left.
 
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