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For the benefit and edification of all who will ponder the move, I chose to make this public.

Most of you know me, as I've been here since perhaps the 2nd year of NP's existence. I've been a moderator/section leader for quite some time, too. I have over 100 positive TR's and am one of the few who have Achieved Greatness. And for good measure, I'll add that I moderate eleven forums here. I am a writer by trade (I am the editor of the in-hiatus namepros.com newsletter) but, as a favor to Rachel James (aka NPQueen), I joined the NP team. Those were such great days. NP was doing outstanding & people came here daily to learn the tricks of the trade and sell a domain or two. I still converse with her and her husband, Ron (aka RJ) at times. The staff here was tremendous. Michelle and Wendy were powerhouses. RJ kept things in order. And, let’s face it, everyone loved seeing the Queen in the chatroom. Things were great.

But just like every shattered dream, nothing ever lasts forever.

Things started falling apart here no long ago. All told, Ron sold NP, his baby, to someone who was going to make NP better. Yeah, traffic was decreasing a bit, among other things, and the most practical way to keep NP alive was to sell it to an entity that could stop the bleeding. I do not blame RJ for selling. He did what was best for the site. And I will not criticize Matt, the buyer of NP. Yet I do find myself questioning & here I am today, typing this out as a way to not answer these questions but to cut loose the burden of having to question them in the first place.

We all have our hopes and dreams. One of my hopes was that Matt would pump life into this site, reinvigorating NP from the inside-out. Sadly, all that had been achieved was the descent and deterioration of all that Ron had made. The worst part? We were warned but ignored it completely.

Well, nearly everyone did, anyway. I was the lone exception. Who was the prophet who first brought the issue to light? Wendy.

Ya see, as communities such as NP grow ever so big, the prospect of keeping order is a requirement. Without order, you’ll have anarchy (or something as pointlessly worthless as GFY). NP was kind of the anti-GFY: This is a moderated community and the mods here actually TRY to help ppl. But yes, moderation is needed for the grand scheme of things to float. That cannot be debated. A person is smart; people are retarded, panicky, and self-destructive. People cannot self-moderate. That’s where mods (or police, in the physical world) come in. And yes, all forms of law enforcement are hated. The issue at hand here is not the prospect of moderation.

It’s over-moderation.

Let me ask a question: What constitutes as over-moderation? Surely, penalizing people for every little thing is bad. Sometimes, a reminder to the offender that he/she was in the wrong can solve the problem. Crucifying EVEYONE isn’t the way to go. By doing so, you would, in essence, be over-modding.

But is ALL moderating “over-modding”? I once had this to say about the departed Wendy:

“I do have to side with Wendy. She and I have spoken throughout the years & I see her points. She was a good moderator/authority figure. But that draws the ire of the public. No one likes breaking a rule & being punished for it. All of us mods go through with it: If we ignore something bad, the bad guy in the situation would get away with it & wouldn't have anything bad to say. BUT the moment he's caught with his hand in the cookie jar, there'll be a long rant by the bad guy, chastising the mod for what ultimately boils down to the bad guy getting an infraction. We are 'police' here @ NP. And when ppl do bad, they'll always have criticisms. Wendy's done a lot over the years, more than most of us had. And that being true, she's had the most criticism of us all.

I'm not saying Wendy being removed was a good or bad thing. I'm only saying here that Wendy was given a bad rep from users who've been disciplined by her & it snowballed into her image being shot up pretty badly. We've all gone through it. We've all made at least 1 enemy doing our job. Wendy, sadly, made a lotta enemies. It wasn't from the quality of her work. It was the fact that she DID her work and did it well. The good guys like her. The bad guys hate her.”

Yes, poor mis_chiff stepped away. Upon her departure, I considered doing the same, as all she spoke of really made sense. I tried, instead, to ignore matters & rather than leaving, I took up a few more forums, to help out NP. I tried to dismiss the regression, pretending that everything was going to work out in the end. A few weeks later and things are now even worse. Not only is Wendy gone but a lot of the class and style had left with her. Yes, the bad guys won: She was driven out by the naysayers and spammers and rule-breakers. Wendy is gone. And today, on May 20, 2012, my name shall be added along with hers.

Effective immediately, I resign from all staff positions here at namepros.com.

Ironically, Eric told me that management believed that I was “under stress” & removed me from several forums, to collect myself. He sent me this message awhile after I made this decision to step down from everything. It isn’t stress that had gotten to me: It’s that people suddenly have gotten otherwise blind or oblivious to the rules. Again, I am an exception. Sure, I’m not perfect. Who is? We all make mistakes. But since Matt took over, NP had only gotten worse--and I’m afraid it’ll never return to its glory. Hell, I’m thinking NP might fall completely at this rate. And this destruction is from mismanagement, not mods.

Nowadays, people can cuss a storm, be impolite, and provoke argument & we mods are powerless to stop it. Today alone, I had an issue. There was a post made that contained very belligerent language & provoked a lotta bad thoughts. Had RJ been here, that post would have stayed deleted. See, Eric saw the post & refused to delete it, opting to edit a few small things. I received a complaint & saw no reason to keep such a poor post, thus I deleted it. Eric then UN-DELETED it, telling me a load of rigmarole about free speech and whatnot. (He tried to justify things by telling me I called the poster retarded, thus what comes around, goes around; I in no way called the poster retarded but merely stated that he was acting retarded) IT BROKE A LONGSTANDING NP RULE! It was impolite, offensive, belligerent, and was posted in the hopes of causing turmoil. From the NP rules:

“Posts critical of NamePros policies, staff or moderation activity (such as post edits or deletions) will likely be removed, as well as posts attempting to stir unwelcome drama (such as "I'm Leaving" type posts). If you have problems with a moderator or feel you have not been treated fairly, please contact a NamePros Administrator through the private forum we have provided.”

This exact thread might be considered as “critical” though it is merely for constructive thought (there is much worse to be read in the “Suggestions” thread). Eric, I ask that you not delete this thread or edit it in any way. If others have opinions, they should voice them, as that is the intention of this thread, other than my announcement. It may help management prevent the bleeding further.

But yes, the post I removed was against ToS & I removed it. It was then re-added by a staff member who wanted to appease users. I’ve discussed it above and I’ll say it like this: We should NOT bend to the will of rule-breakers simply to keep them happy. I don’t. But many others here do. A month back, I deleted a thread with good reason & was beseeched to re-add it simply because the poster whined and cried about it & wanted it returned. I only re-added it to prevent further bad-taste in everyone’s mouth. I suppose I contradicted myself: I did succumb before. But I will not again, ever.

I’m done. I am tired of other people telling me how to do my job. And I did my job pretty damn well. But others wanted me to regress, to make the bad guys happy. No. Forget it. During the first few months I’ve been a mod, there was an incident where a remorse-seller gave me grief over a $600 deal. He had 100% no right to the name (he refused a refund a billion times) but I caved--to protect the sanctity of NP’s image. That was when Ron and Rachel were here. I liked them. I still do. And I respect the hell outta them. They did all they could to make NP a better community. I became a mod out of respect and loyalty to them. This new management is tearing at the gears that have kept NP running all these years. In April, NP lost a team leader. In May, NP had lost a section leader. I’m afraid to wonder what’ll come up missing next month.

Nevermore shall I moderate at this forum. Wendy was right. Namepros.com is going soft & will more than likely become a haven for chaos here in the near future. I’ll probably still be here, in one fashion or another, to watch it crumble down. When it does, I’ll sleep better at night knowing that there is no blood on my hands. This wasn’t my doing. I wish NP the very best, truly. I still love this site. But if I cannot do my job the way it’s supposed to be done, then I simply won’t do it, at all.
 
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“Posts critical of NamePros policies, staff or moderation activity (such as post edits or deletions) will likely be removed, as well as posts attempting to stir unwelcome drama (such as "I'm Leaving" type posts). If you have problems with a moderator or feel you have not been treated fairly, please contact a NamePros Administrator through the private forum we have provided.”

Irony. I agree with everything you've said about moderating, Wendy etc. but NP is still better than DigitalPoint and to declare it a lost cause is premature - though a blue pill might be needed.

We aren't even having an Indy 500 competition this year!! ... but at least we have humiliating dancing in bikini videos (whatever the hell that was all about)?!?

Go flunk off and write your book. Do something useful :) I should do the same.

Oh and change the title.. nothing deflates the power of a resignation as much as calling the thread resignition. :lol:
 
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lol A blue pill might help. I'm not really saying NP is a lost cause. Not at all. But it's not moving in the right direction & I fear it might go so far astray that it'll never gain even see the mark, let alone hit it.

I was going to make a better thread title but figured I'd just be straight to the point :p

Irony. I agree with everything you've said about moderating, Wendy etc. but NP is still better than DigitalPoint and to declare it a lost cause is premature - though a blue pill might be needed.

We aren't even having an Indy 500 competition this year!! ... but at least we have humiliating dancing in bikini videos (whatever the hell that was all about)?!?

Go fuck off and write your book. Do something useful :) I should do the same.

Oh and change the title.. nothing deflates the power of a resignation as much as calling the thread resignition. :lol:


---------- Post added at 07:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:25 PM ----------

(Hmmm I typed the title quickly. Just saw my error now lol Damn, I don't think anyone would care to change it for me)
 
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I miss Wendy, she was a pal.

I will miss Archangel, he was funny, but very many times, he was the one that got straight to the point.

I believe I know the thread you are talking about.

And true, too many people here think pictures of almost naked to naked women are such fun.

Way I see it, bad guys should be run off here. One chance, then out!

And why do people always have to compare any forum, like this one, to Shawn's mess?

And do not go off and write a damn book! Won't make much money that way.
Just make a goofy video (be sure to include at least one cat, one dog and one gerbil) and watch it go viral!

Take life easy fella!
 
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I have 2 books. And a cat. Lemme get a gerbil & I'll get that video on youtube ASAP!

Thanks for your kind words. I know it might sound like I'm a disgruntled staff member (in a way, I suppose I am) but I simply don't wanna be told how to do my job; especially with inaccurate advice.

I miss Wendy, she was a pal.

I will miss Archangel, he was funny, but very many times, he was the one that got straight to the point.

I believe I know the thread you are talking about.

And true, too many people here think pictures of almost naked to naked women are such fun.

Way I see it, bad guys should be run off here. One chance, then out!

And why do people always have to compare any forum, like this one, to Shawn's mess?

And do not go off and write a damn book! Won't make much money that way.
Just make a goofy video (be sure to include at least one cat, one dog and one gerbil) and watch it go viral!

Take life easy fella!
 
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Well, this sucks.
I was just starting to like you ;)
Seriously, everyone hates the police until they need them.
What most dont realize is that they always need them.
Like I have said before, without law and order its just hell on earth.

I think you are pretty good guy, I hope you continue to at least hang around, you have valuable insight and knowledge that everyone can benefit from.

Good luck and thanks :)
 
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Aw thanks :) It was beyond an honor to be part of this great site. Management and I just saw things in a different light. That's all. I'll still be around here but probably not as much. As stated, I do have 2 books to ready up for agents. I suppose now I have more time to work on them. It feels weird stepping down after all this time but it was the only feasible option I saw.

BTW The title was changed finally :)

Well, this sucks.
I was just starting to like you ;)
Seriously, everyone hates the police until they need them.
What most dont realize is that they always need them.
Like I have said before, without law and order its just hell on earth.

I think you are pretty good guy, I hope you continue to at least hang around, you have valuable insight and knowledge that everyone can benefit from.

Good luck and thanks :)
 
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I sincerely hope the thread is not deleted. I remember having a falling out with RJ and the NP management 5 or 6 years back - I considered leaving and it was RJ that eventually made me realise I would be missing out on a great community.

Honestly, these days, I can't even imagine that would happen in my wildest dreams ;)

The problem is that NP has lost a lot of what made it so very special. An owner that truly loved his forum and was as happy to dive in and be a part of things as well as to oversee management, various mods and admins who actually engaged and talked openly to other users - but were allowed to do their jobs and a great number of users who loved to use the forums.

I don't feel like I even know the management here anymore. Does Matt even exist? (I know he does, but I've barely seen him active on the forum) Does anyone actually have a plan to make NP great again? (from what I have seen, no and quite honestly it doesn't seem like certain people even care from what the users want)

An extract from a post I made not so long ago;

Why not get together what members are left and loyal to Namepros and truly see what they think can be done? Namepros used to be all about the people behind the usernames - why can't we find out what people truly want from this forum (or community) going forward?

Note: this was ignored ;)

I have been a member here for almost as long as yourself, Randy and it saddens me that NP is heading down the drain.

Fine - if changes are being made, that is great - but by the time they are implemented, it appears the vast majority of the users that truly make Namepros - Namepros - will be long gone.
 
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I agree with you, Sabre, but one thing I should point out s that management is kinda doing what they should without knowing how: They are trying to give everyone what they want. I've had ppl whine about posts/threads removed and everything. Yes, some of these were removed without consideration that the content was truly worth reading (I think it was Ms Domainer who made a post once that although it had good content, I deleted since it was a reply to another post that got the axe. She asked me to restore it & I did, as it was really a good post on its own). But it seems that everyone says they wan this and that. But as God said in "Bruce Almighty," when did ppl really know what they want? That movie also shows pretty well what happens when you try to give everyone what thy want. It can cause a great big mess. NP is allowing too much ie loosening the rules for the benefit of everyone (though it's exploited mostly by the bad guys). This just isn't the right direction.
 
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I think you slightly misunderstood me.

I am all for mods that will enforce the rules. Without them, a forum simply does not work.

I am talking about finding out what users want in general from the forums. What do you dislike most? What areas could be improved? Why are they performing business at X rather than NamePros? etc etc. Clearly people are leaving for a reason and it's not simply because of recession - there are a number of other factors in play too.
 
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For the tough decision you had to make. :)

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I warned everybody about this in another thread (one a select few can see),as well as the thread where the announcement became common knowledge, that turned into a "what do I get out of it" thread ages ago. I told you if you feed the trolls they will take over.
 
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As mentioned before, it's sad to See Archangel (Randy) go, but I do understand that if one just doesn't feel the fit is right for them anymore, they need to do what's best for them. With that said, Randy will be missed and was an asset to NamePros. He single handedly maintained the Adult section for years.

@ Sabre
As Randy mentioned already, he feels we are listening to the opinions of what the members want too much. There's suggestion threads all over NamePros where staff have gone back & forth with members about their ideas & we even tried implementing many of them. We are always open minded to any and all ideas & suggestions, actively engaging each and every one of you when we can about your ideas.

And on the subject of crunching numbers, we've done that to publicly a bit. Even as I speak comparing NamePros to DNF shows that NamePros has had way more Threads, Posts, Members, & maintains the same Active Member numbers. Checking alexa can also show that NamePros is on a slow but steady Growth rate while DnForums numbers are a little sporadic. Naturally I'm just using DNF as a quick example, I like DNF to just as much as the next person and think they have been doing a wonderful job. There's no animosity at all, it's just friendly number comparisons that assist in showing that namePros isn't falling into an abyss of no return like some may think.

@ DefaultUser
The video thread is for::: Humor, Entertainment, tutorials, Testimonials, and other NamePros related things that might stimulate laughter, curiosity, and viral controversy. Which so far seems to be slowly taking effect as more & more people mention it everywhere. Not everyone will agree with all the videos listed there, but you have to admit, some of them are quite funny. As for the bikini Fan, Godaddys done way more controversial videos than that one. Just keep in mind, she wasn't forced or exploited to make that video, she wanted to do it. :)

@ Everyone:
If you have suggestions, please feel free to use the info & suggestions forums. We are always open to new and innovative ideas. Not all ideas can be used, but we do try to test run a few when we can.

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Things are even worse, bad guys won etc.?

Couple things, minus the over dramatics. Today is a typical day on a forum. People buying domains. People selling domains. People talking about domains. Can somebody link to a thread where the bad guys have taken over? Also, this is the most active mainstream domain forum. That doesn't sound so horrible.

"Namepros.com is going soft & will more than likely become a haven for chaos here in the near future."

If that means lightening up, that's good. The activity hasn't slowed down. And "haven for chaos" that's the ole fear marketing nonsense. Like I said before, good forums tend to self moderate. There isn't any chaos anywhere. Like I said, back it up, link to this chaos.
 
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The activity hasn't slowed down.

You're joking, right?


@ Sabre
As Randy mentioned already, he feels we are listening to the opinions of what the members want too much. There's suggestion threads all over NamePros where staff have gone back & forth with members about their ideas & we even tried implementing many of them. We are always open minded to any and all ideas & suggestions, actively engaging each and every one of you when we can about your ideas.

And on the subject of crunching numbers, we've done that to publicly a bit. Even as I speak comparing NamePros to DNF shows that NamePros has had way more Threads, Posts, Members, & maintains the same Active Member numbers. Checking alexa can also show that NamePros is on a slow but steady Growth rate while DnForums numbers are a little sporadic. Naturally I'm just using DNF as a quick example, I like DNF to just as much as the next person and think they have been doing a wonderful job. There's no animosity at all, it's just friendly number comparisons that assist in showing that namePros isn't falling into an abyss of no return like some may think.

Why aren't you taking the sensible suggestions and implementing them then? It all feels like you're just guessing and hoping on individual suggestions, rather than sitting down, performing market research and establishing exactly where NamePros needs to be.

.. and yes, well done. DN Forum is performing as badly as NamePros. That is nothing to be proud of, nor is it worth discussing. Fine, it is useful to know where your competition stands, but there is no use looking at a model that is potentially failing as NamePros will if it continues along the same path. NamePros needs innovation and a clearer structure to attract more people to read, join and be interested in domaining.

P.S. stop signing your posts 'Eric Lyon' - it cries pretentious & impersonal. I understand we are on a 'business' forum but that's not what this forum was ever about. Just :imho:.. of course.
 
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"You're joking, right?"

No. As Eric pointed out, if you want to use Alexa, traffic is up 20% last 3 months. If you want to use the eyeballs in your head, you can see how many people are online, post count etc. Like I said, most active mainstream domain forum. That's a fact.
 
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if you want to use Alexa

I would rather use an accurate measurement tool. :)

Plus more traffic doesn't mean good traffic anyway.
 
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I would rather use an accurate measurement tool. :)

Plus more traffic doesn't mean good traffic anyway.

Then use one, which one would you like to use? Post count? That seems like a good one and obvious one.

How about comparing yourself to your competitors?

Whatever you want to use, it all says the same. You haven't offered up anything to say otherwise. Give me something more substantial than your feelings.
 
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I warned everybody about this in another thread (one a select few can see),as well as the thread where the announcement became common knowledge, that turned into a "what do I get out of it" thread ages ago. I told you if you feed the trolls they will take over.

You said it Firefly.

I hate to see people who have made this forum like Randy and Wendy, Feel the need to drop out of the legacy that has been built, I could go on and on.

Thanks for everything you have done through the years Randy.
 
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Then use one, which one would you like to use? Post count? That seems like a good one and obvious one.

How about comparing yourself to your competitors?

Whatever you want to use, it all says the same. You haven't offered up anything to say otherwise. Give me something more substantial than your feelings.

Use Analytics. Establish conversions. Work out the most fruitful ways to attract membership. See where people are dropping off. Look at geotargeting signup messages. Look at what sections people are viewing and posting in. Consolidate these sections so the forum isn't so big and empty looking. I could go on..

Post count is subjective, so no. 1000 low quality posts are not better than 25 excellent ones.
 
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