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opinion Most people here should probably quit domaining right now.

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In my opinion, most people here should probably quit domaining right now. By most I mean 95% - 98% people.

You guys must be massively loosing money. Why I think so:

Recently I opened WLTB request, with budget $50-$1000.

What I had to go through: I got ~90 mesages so far. I can responsibly say, that all of them except 1 (from alcy, got bless him!) offered me names which I would describe as domain liabilities. They are certainly not domain investment by any means, and certainly not something I would even register for reg fee. You also sent me lot of names in other extensions then I asked, and you sent me lot of domains way above budget. I am not here to report 90 people, as I would need to spend all my time reporting, but this experience for me as buyer is totally pathetic.

It does not help either that Namepros still do not have top new gTLDs in Top Domain section. I mean, how difficult is to learn after 7 years what top new gTLD is, and accomodate it? Particularly when we have .xyz trend ongoing, so if (whoever is selecting names there) is not expert in new gTLDs, and is in doubt if, lets say, name like crypto.market belongs there, you might still recognise that name like (example again) crypto.xyz can make it there (...why? as it is "trending term crypto", and it is .xyz, and there are already enough reported sales by now to establish that wholesale price is more then 1000 usd. This is really not that difficult). Maybe you already recognise it, I do not know, maybe people stopped submitting their new gTLDs into this section, but whatever it is, you still do not cater for new gTLD buyers in a more inclusive manner as there are no new gTLD names in that section. I know that I stopped submitting my names there long time ago, after years of trying. Just my 2 cents.

Anyway, in general, there are now better opportunities comparing to domains for most of you guys, like NFTs (and blockchain as such). Most of you missed train in .com, and most of you missed train in new gTLDs as well. That is a fact, particularly if you are newer. I do of course understand that we can discuss what "missed train means", but I can assure you you can do 1000x better in crypto areas these days, if you just apply intelectual traits you are using in domaining into NFTs, for example.

If you DMed me names and you do not think they are garbage-ous, and you think I am somehow harsh here, post them and there can be discussion. I would just like to remind that I asked for highest quality new gTLDs and had pretty generous budget (for wholesale transaction at least). I got nothing, and it is total waste of my time and energy. It is also total waste of your time and energy, but you might be unaware of it as of now.

To finish this rant: those were sweet times few years ago when good unique new domain names were obtainable here for $50 :)
 
Look at the list of expiring domains every day... You have hundreds of thousands of domains dropping and at most a few hundred worth owning, and maybe several handfuls worth paying any serious premium for.

It is better to be the registrar/registry. They collect money from all these terrible regs.

There has been a lot of consolidation over the last several years. There are just not that many great domains available at investment prices any more.

Brad
 
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karmaco

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It goes without saying that people don’t offer their best domains here because budgets are usually exceedingly cheap to low.

I somehow believe you wouldn’t resell your names here for low prices so reflect before casting insults around about how the vast majority shouldn’t be into domaining. Maybe your expectations were too high for your budget.

Its rather insulting and this thread is you throwing a tantrum. Feel better?
 
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Look at the list of expiring domains every day... You have hundreds of thousands of domains dropping and at most a few hundred worth owning, and maybe several handfuls worth paying any serious premium for.

It is better to be the registrar/registry. They collect money from all these terrible regs.

There has been a lot of consolidation over the last several years. There are just not that many great domains available at investment prices any more.

Brad
Yes yes sure, I am using that.

Just ranting and complaining about my experience here .. time I spent going through all those crappy names, no one will EVER return to me :)
 
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It goes without saying that people don’t offer their best domains here because budgets are usually exceedingly cheap to low.

I somehow believe you wouldn’t resell your names here for low prices so reflect before casting insults around about how the vast majority shouldn’t be into domaining. Maybe your expectations were too high for your budget.

Its rather insulting and this thread is you throwing a tantrum. Feel better?
I noticed from your other posts also that you are getting easily insulted :)

Yes, I personally would not resell my names here cheaply, therefore I am not seller here, but buyer.
I have always been buyer here, and probably largest buyer of new gTLDs in last few years (if you have not noticed).
 
I have been on both sides of this. On one side you have buyers with fake budgets.

Budget: Up to $250,000...then they offer $500 for a LLL or CVCV.com.

Then as a buyer I get inundated with irrelevant domains, no matter how specific I am.

I used to post WTB threads in that section frequently, until it became clear that it was a resource drain with limited upside to me.

Brad
 
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karmaco

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I have been on both sides of this. On one side you have buyers with fake budgets.

Budget: Up to $250,000...then they offer $500 for a LLL or CVCV.com.

Then as a buyer I get inundated with irrelevant domains, no matter how specific I am.

I used to post WTB threads in that section frequently, until it became clear that it was a resource drain with limited upside to me.

Brad
You know how many of my request threads have gone bad? All of them. Most could say the same. We don’t however start threads saying we should all quit domaining. You move on.
 
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I have been on both sides of this. On one side you have buyers with fake budgets.

Budget: Up to $250,000...then they offer $500 for a LLL or CVCV.com.

Then as a buyer I get inundated with irrelevant domains, no matter how specific I am.

I used to post WTB threads in that section frequently, until it became clear that it was a resource drain with limited upside to me.

Brad
Yes, that what I feel as well - I mean, it is very time and energy draining to go via so much DMs, and at the end, one get nothing from it.

I am also not happy that new G's are still not in Top Domain names - I do not understand how since 2014 whoever is selecting names is not accomodating new G's...there are some unsellable .com names circling since 2017 in that section...and while people are paying thousands of USD for 1 worders in .xyz on SAV (domainers), yet here we have absolutely nothing for new gTLD buyers...
 
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You know how many of my request threads have gone bad? All of them. Most could say the same. We don’t however start threads saying we should all quit domaining. You move on.
And are you happy with it?

And who are "we"? Speak for yourself only. If you are happy with status quo, good for you, and you can move on.

I am not impressed by current status quo.
 
Yes, that what I feel as well - I mean, it is very time and energy draining to go via so much DMs, and at the end, one get nothing from it.

I am also not happy that new G's are still not in Top Domain names - I do not understand how since 2014 whoever is selecting names is not accomodating new G's...there are some unsellable .com names circling since 2017 in that section...and while people are paying thousands of USD for 1 worders in .xyz on SAV (domainers), yet here we have absolutely nothing for new gTLD buyers...
I am not really a fan of new gTLD, and even I think there are clearly combos that would qualify.

I do think it would lead to extra work for the mods though. There would likely be more submissions and arguments over qualification.

It is a lot more clear what is worth $1K+ in .COM than in hundreds (or thousands) of other extensions.

At some point maybe some of the "Top Domains" need to be cycled out. You have many there with hundreds of thread bumps. It is crazy.

Brad
 
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I am not really a fan of new gTLD, and even I think there are clearly combos that would qualify.

At some point maybe some of the "Top Domains" need to be cycled out. You have many there with hundreds of thread bumps. It is crazy.

Brad
Yes, I totally agree. Top Domains imo indeed needs cleanup and introduction of some names which are in real demand now.

Like some crypto related 1 worders in .xyz, one can not really make big mistake there. I honestly feel like this section reflect sentiment which was here 5 years ago...
 
Yes, I totally agree. Top Domains imo indeed needs cleanup and introduction of some names which are in real demand now.

Like some crypto related 1 worders in .xyz, one can not really make big mistake there. I honestly feel like this section reflect sentiment which was here 5 years ago...
One person has the first (5) slots and more down the page.

You have threads with 490, 637, 551, 799, and 641 replies.

This is just absurd. NamePros needs to add something to the Top Domains section that limits the total bumps and cycles these out of the section eventually.

It is just a waste of space at some point.

Brad
 
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Sumeeth

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Honestly, when I register some domain I feel all my domains as great domains, so when, you as a buyer place a request for buying, I may share my domains which could be trash for you . So it is is good to filter good ones and then move on. If we start complaining that people are sending trash domains then you may end up missing some good domains as well because as a seller I may ignore your buy requests after seeing threads like this. Few people write that I will report if you send domains not under my requirements, I will mostly ignore sending my requests in such buy requests and the buyer may miss good opportunity.

Even in expired domains dot net, we have to go through 1000s of domains to buy 1 or 2, there we have enough patience and no complains.

It is also true that we get domains which are irrelevant where our requirements are different that is bad and people should not do that.. but sone people want to try his/her domains due to their desperation to sell something.

I feel nobody has a right to say you should quit domaining because you see their domsins as trash..
 
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I am not really a fan of new gTLD, and even I think there are clearly combos that would qualify.

I do think it would lead to extra work for the mods though. There would likely be more submissions and arguments over qualification.

It is a lot more clear what is worth $1K+ in .COM than in hundreds (or thousands) of other extensions.

At some point maybe some of the "Top Domains" need to be cycled out. You have many there with hundreds of thread bumps. It is crazy.

Brad
Yes, you are right about the complexity of new gTLDs. This is the reason I suggested 1 worders in .xyz, as logic there is very simple (good keyword, and it is now trending .xyz). So not much higher level of intelectual work imo, comparing to .com names. And I have only 1 .xyz name, so it is not exactly beneficial for me personally, but it is very easy to start with.

In time, I would expect though that we will see also "good new gTLD combos" there.. , with all the nuances considered, like renewal fees, probabilities, available alternatives, their renewal fees, etc.

As I see it, complexity of appraisals of new G's can not be, in my opinion, a reason for new G's not beying properly accomodated in Top DOmain section at largest domaining forum in the world. I would accept the complexity in first few years as reason for that, as we were all learning, but after 7 years of their existence it is maybe time to start with it.
 
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Honestly, when I register some domain I feel all my domains as great domains, so when, you as a buyer place a request for buying, I may share my domains which could be trash for you . So it is is good to filter good ones and then move on. If we start complaining that people are sending trash domains then you may end up missing some good domains as well because as a seller I may ignore your buy requests after seeing threads like this. Few people write that I will report if you send domains not under my requirements, I will mostly ignore sending my requests in such buy requests and the buyer may miss good opportunity.

Even in expired domains dot net, we have to go through 1000s of domains to buy 1 or 2, there we have So enough patience and no complains.

It is also true that we get domains which are irrelevant where our requirements are different that is bad and people should not do that.. but sone people want to try his/her domains due to their desperation to sell something.

I feel nobody has a right to say you should quit domaining because you see their domsins as trash..
I am not commanding them to quit domaining .. I am advising it, afer I saw what I saw. I have right to advise, but they have right to not listen to it, lol.

You know, it can be actually very beneficial to tell someone the truth.. you can save person years and years of agony and frustration. Sometimes best compassion might seem very abbrasive and brutal.

Saying that, particularly you should NOT quit Sumeeth, as you had some recent great sale (if I remember correctly). Congrats :)
 
Anyway, in general, there are now better opportunities comparing to domains for most of you guys, like NFTs (and blockchain as such). Most of you missed train in .com, and most of you missed train in new gTLDs as well. That is a fact, particularly if you are newer. I do of course understand that we can discuss what "missed train means", but I can assure you you can do 1000x better in crypto areas these days, if you just apply intelectual traits you are using in domaining into NFTs, for example.
I have to say on this point, I do know some people that have done very well with crypto, NFT, etc.

I know a lot more that have taken major losses chasing whatever. For every BAYC there are thousands of loser NFT projects. For every Bitcoin or Ethereum there are endless shitcoins popping up daily and rug pulls/scams.

While the potential for gains in those fields are higher, so is the potential for losses. You need to have a certain risk appetite vs slow burn investing.

The point is you can lose a lot of money in any field...some faster than others.

Brad
 
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I have to say on this point, I do know some people that have done very well with crypto, NFT, etc.

I know a lot more that have taken major losses chasing whatever. For every BAYC there are thousands of loser NFT projects. For every Bitcoin or Ethereum there are endless shitcoins popping up daily and rug pulls/scams.

While the potential for gains in those fields are higher, so is the potential for losses. You need to have a certain risk appetite vs slow burn investing.

The point is you can lose a lot of money in any field...some faster than others.

Brad
I have spend almost all 2021 in crypto/NFTs, I am fascinated by it. I can resposibly say that NFTs are a paradise for domain investors, in a sence, that they are basically applying same analytical skills, same speculative mind they trained on domains, in a very similar area. So if you are good domain investor, you will outperform 99% of "regular" people in crypto in my opinion very easily.

One think if you want to avoid loosing money - you really need to be contrarian investor. When herd is in fomo mode and buying crazily, you need to sell. When everyone is panicking and blood is everywhere on the street, you need to buy. If you do this, it is very difficult not to succeed.

But one thing is certain - cryto can make you wife-changing money :)
 

lovely4ever

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To finish this rant: those were sweet times few years ago when good unique new domain names were obtainable here for $50 :)

I think what irritates you is that you coudnt find nobody to offer you a good unique domain name for $50 !!
MAYBE that shows current domainers got smarter nowdadays than the old sweet times , and opposit of what you thought about them !
They wanted to get rid of their garbage domains and hiding the good unique ones !
i said
MAYBE ..!

Dont forget also that lots of members lost trust of the WTB requests because of the regular fake request and unserious buyers .


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I think what irritates you is that you coudnt find nobody to offer you a good unique domain name for $50 !!
MAYBE that shows current domainers got smarter nowdadays than the old sweet times , and opposit of what you thought about them !
They wanted to get rid of their garbage domains and hiding the good unique ones !
i said
MAYBE ..!

Dont forget also that lots of members lost trust of the WTB requests because of the regular fake request and unserious buyers .


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Well, I am not hiding that that is also what irritated me. I remember all good times :)

We had members like Kate, Dordomai, JB (btw, where is JB?, long time no post seen from them) - when those guys started their "only .com" and anti-new gTLD threads, I always knew it was time to open WLTB thread for new gTLDs in parallel - and people were selling great names for total peanuts ...

Regarding lot of buyers who lost trust of the WTB requests because of fake request, that is possible, but I guess no one is going to accuse me of that, lol.
 
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Maybe instead of complaining, you go out and hunt for your own domains, rather than relying on posting a message and expecting a winning lottery ticket to appear in your inbox...

I spend countless hours each week scouring various sources, and I usually find 1 or more gems hidden.

Put in the work and don't be lazy.
 

equity78

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The WTB section has been broken for a long time and the Top Domains is just some ego trip, no one paying your end user prices here. So if Swetha listed Aperture.xyz in Top Domains who at Namepros was dropping $19,888? I'll answer that, NOBODY. She is selling to end users and the members of Namepros are not paying end user prices.

WTB is the online version of getting a metal detector and walking a beach, you might find some gold or something else valuable, but you are going to do a lot of walking and come across a lot of shit.

Perhaps the definition of an Oxymoron in domaining is Good Domain Name for $50.

People use WTB on both sides, a buyer hopes to get a ton of names and find a gem. The seller wants to offload their rubbish hoping it's another person's Gold. It costs nothing so no one cares.

I know both Marek and Brad have had real budgets, done business with both over the years, but most don't have a real budget and the parameters are bullshit, I have been saying that for years. My budget is $1 to $10,000 really? Most $10,000 buyers aren't wasting their time with $1 domain names.

But it's pageviews and bumps and Namepros is happy with that. I have always believed the better way for transparency and to show who doesn't know the business or trolling, is to start a thread and say put names in the thread only. That way when someone posts a .io when Brad said .com/.net only then it's easy for the mods and other members to see who plays by the rules and who doesn't.

Top domains with the op replying to themselves 500 times is an embarrassment for the forum and a complete joke. People have been saying it for years, never anything done.

The business of running a forum sometimes goes against the grain of the members.

Total number of posts at 8m looks better than 3M. Page views higher looks better for the business of running a forum. And Namepros management should be focused on that, this is a business, this has not been RJ's Namepros for a long time, back when people told him they loved him and paid another forum owner to belong to that forum.

Namepros is a business, GoDaddy not advertising here to sing Kumbaya.

There are a handful of private forums now, Discord channels, social media, private message groups, Namepros has a lot more competition today than it ever has. There are people I checked on because I had not seen them here for awhile, asking if ok. Fine, just doing Twitter or Discord.

I share the op's sentiment of frustration but like someone said to me a long time ago, "Raymond when someone offers me $50 what the fuck do they expect? I don't answer the phone for $50!!!"

I answer for free I am just an idiot worker bee.
 

Mkt Sales Leads

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Look at the list of expiring domains every day... You have hundreds of thousands of domains dropping and at most a few hundred worth owning, and maybe several handfuls worth paying any serious premium for.

It is better to be the registrar/registry. They collect money from all these terrible regs.

There has been a lot of consolidation over the last several years. There are just not that many great domains available at investment prices any more.

Brad
Hence why virtually everyone has given up on domains and fled to Crypto and NFTs seemingly rolling in cash.

For various reasons (e.g. domaining is boring/too hard/slow to make money/no more good names left cos the oldies got in first/registry prices etc) Domains are seemingly like the party nobody wants to be at now.

So with all that down, I hearby declare domaining dead.

Long live NFTs and Crypto.
 

redemo

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You have hundreds of thousands of domains dropping and at most a few hundred worth owning
Unless people pull their fat fingers out of their back holes and develop something unique which solves a problem. It would be far less retarded to spend time developing half decent keyword domain names into websites than trying to flog lame horse deadbeat domain names which will never ever sell, even if developed, at anywhere near a profit. It's fairly obvious that the statistics on failure are both above 90 % and also purposefully withheld from the chasing pack. Registrars benefit. Marketplaces benefit. Seasoned domainers and flippers benefit. The average domainer fails, again, and again, and again. Only through developing hand-found domain names into websites can you realise a profit (for the majority of domainers). Of course it's not promoted. If everyone started developing instead of buying the entire industry would collapse. I get it now. Suppose I should be grateful there's so little serious competition. But it gets professionally lonely not being able to discuss domain name development here at an advanced level. I am now convinced that such a discussion is ONLY applicable to a private group of advanced developer-marketer type domainers. Weeds out the timewasters and quitters of which I think the domain name industry is sadly 90 % comprised of.
 
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