In 2014 over a 1000 new domain extensions will be available.

[buyresaledomains]

What does that do to this biz? Does it make the .com even that much better? Or obsolete? As of now extensions have no bearing on search results. But what happens when a domain is "kendras.daycare". Will it impact Serps then?

 

[JB Lions]

"they can now have option to start business on some new gtld like .shop"

How many great keywords do people think there are for each business? People always say you can't get that category killer in a .com which is mostly true unless you want to pay out the yang. That great keyword will be limited for every extension out there.

Let's say you sold bikes. Maybe somebody will get bike.shop or bikes.shop, then what? sellbikes.shop, take it further. Oh, you'll have to get creative. When you can just do that with a .com.

Those great keywords are limited for any extension. And some of those keywords you can get on the cheap right now, in the already alternative extensions.

 

[buyresaledomains]

What happened to domains lately ? Did I miss anything ?


The supply of domain is already infinite.

You can always have a .com if you want, it will just have to be longer. Or you've got to be creative. But there are plenty of alternative TLDs that are already available to you today :talk:

The extension does matter for advertising/branding purposes. You can perfectly advertise a .biz or even .co or something else.
But the perceived credibility of your enterprise may be lower as a result.
Consumers will trust less odd URLs with unusual endings. Not that .co or .tk is technically inferior to .com, but that's the way it is.

Tell me, what's wrong with .pro .museum .travel .aero .xxx .etc .etc .etc .etc .etc .etc .etc ?
Why did all these extensions fail to take off ?
Really think opening the floodgates to hundreds more will achieve a result significantly different ?
Plenty of new extensions that nobody asked for in the first place. Just because people complain about the scarcity of good domains, doesn't mean they will settle for anything.

In 1995, people were already saying domains would become irrelevant because a huge chunk of Internet navigation takes place through search engines. The same thinking still prevails with some people, but now it's because of the mobile apps or something else.
Domains are still around.

There will always be a market for good domains in good extensions.
In saying that, there is always the possibility of a few TLDs picking up, but the vast majority will be failures. Just think that the shelf space is limited to begin with.

When I said lately I meant years not not months. I was just parroting back what I've read about the old days of domaining. From what I read it was more profitable 10 years ago. I have only been domaining (if i can call it that lol) for literally 2 weeks. So don't give anything I say too much weight. Not yet at least.

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not sure how many businesses have completely failed because they started out using a crappy domain or unknown TLD. lost traffic sure, lost perceived credibility - to some people. but failed because of the domain or TLD i'd imagine wouldnt even make up 10% of this.




the registrars can really only "showcase" so many TLD's in their current format.. but its a real problem they're going to have to deal with so i wonder what they're gonna do.. the only time something like that becomes not a problem is when almost any word is a TLD... but at $185,000 a pop that aint feasible right now.

i bet theyll have a search box for just TLD's like they do domains now..




so lets just call it a day - just 1,000+ TLD's coming out, nothing to see here folks. :lol:

i think we should post more appraisal threads personally..

It's helped me help to understand what's up and what's down. For that I thank the participation.

 

[mjnels]

Those great keywords are limited for any extension. And some of those keywords you can get on the cheap right now, in the already alternative extensions.

and now there will be more and theyll be even cheaper.

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buyresaledomains: i think you're missing the posts im "quoting." each separate post is responding to a different person.

 

[JB Lions]

and now there will be more and theyll be even cheaper.

They are already out there on the cheap. Just have to take a look at what's dropping everyday. Of course, you'll never see a business on tv, even local business using them. Magazines, nope, billboards, nope, really no offline marketing whatsoever.

And as we've gone thru before, in the other thread with examples, you can just get that major keyword + some other keyword .com for reg fee. You can have mjnelscomputers.com. No, you would get computers.shop, well probably not because that keyword would get snapped up already as they usually do before you even get a chance at it. So maybe mjnelscomputers.shop. There's a winner.

Those great keywords in all those other extensions, will get snapped up as they always do, usually by domainers. Unless, they have something in place, where only end users get them. And again, those great keywords are in limited supply.

 

[mjnels]

They are already out there on the cheap. Just have to take a look at what's dropping everyday. Of course, you'll never see a business on tv, even local business using them. Magazines, nope, billboards, nope, really no offline marketing whatsoever.

but nobody knows about them right? so how could they register something they dont know about..

And as we've gone thru before, in the other thread with examples, you can just get that major keyword + some other keyword .com for reg fee.

yep and now you'll be able to get keyword.keyword for reg fee

 

[JB Lions]

"yep and now you'll be able to get keyword.keyword for reg fee"

A domainer will. Tell me who snapped up all the best .co and .me when they came out?

Since you sell computers for a living, can you give me a list of great computer.shop domains with your next post? You'll have to start adding other keywords to the word computer. Just like you have to do now with the .com.

You're thinking all these great keywords will be there for end users when they want them. No, they will get snapped up day 1. When and if, end users even find out about those new extensions, the keywords they want, will already be gone.

 

[mjnels]

"yep and now you'll be able to get keyword.keyword for reg fee"

A domainer will. Tell me who snapped up all the best .co and .me when they came out?

im not saying you're wrong. but are you saying the best keywords will have value?

Since you sell computers for a living, can you give me a list of great computer.shop domains with your next post? You'll have to start adding other keywords to the word computer. Just like you have to do now with the .com.

i agree with you. but even one active use of computer.shop takes away from whatever the person would have registered in .COM before .shop existed.

multiply that by ten thousand TLD's and what do you get?

 

[JB Lions]

"but are you saying the best keywords will have value?"

The best keywords always have some value, providing you can buy them at low cost. I made money off of selling dating.bz, one of the worst extensions out there. But I can't tell you even 1 business on that extension.

"i agree with you. but even one active use of computer.shop takes away from whatever the person would have registered in .COM before .shop existed."

We'll disagree on that one. I think if somebody actually tried to build on computer.shop, computer.com will be loving that. The bleed out rate will be pretty high. It would be smarter to get a computer(keyword).com type of domain.

"multiply that by ten thousand TLD's and what do you get?"

You're always going to get confusion and with so many, usually low reg numbers because it's spread so thin, and what does get reg, will be mostly domainers who will just park them, with a market that really isn't there. So failure basically is what you get.

I guess we'll see. I imagine in the future a lot of .mobi type of threads you see now.

 

[Jasonn]

i hear domainers say "people will be confused" as if that means "people are incapable of learning eventually"

the stick with what they know thing is taken to weird lengths too... so if i talk to someone about getting my lawn mowed and he hands me a business card using a .biz domain im going to change my mind and not visit the website?




the kids dont do type ins anymore. so literally most the people typing in a keyword and adding .COM will die eventually. im 30 years old and have never done this. seems like a stupid monkey brain way to navigate the internet.

How do you visit the sites you visit every day? personally i stopped using bookmarks a long time ago. these days i just type the domain into the address bar. usually i just have to type in a few letters and click. this is still technically a type in.

i don't doubt there will be some killer names out there. download.music or watch.porn, etc but these names will be held and auctioned off. so much for end users getting a deal. then you have domainers buying up the scraps that aren't reserved and doing nothing with them.

it just seems if new tld's were a welcomed addition, why aren't mobile sites using .mobi? out of all the one word mobi's i bought i never got a single inquiry. why aren't travel websites using .travel?

i think it will go like this...

.com = gold
.net/org = silver
info/biz/ = bronze
everything else = tinfoil

cctld's are different, they can be just as good as .com at the local level.

in the end i think it will be much ado about nothing. if domains don't matter and no one types anything in businesses could register any obscure .com or .xxx or dotwhatver and it wouldn't matter but yet for some reason .com's are still outselling everything else by a huge margin.

 

[mjnels]

We'll disagree on that one. I think if somebody actually tried to build on computer.shop, computer.com will be loving that. The bleed out rate will be pretty high. It would be smarter to get a computer(keyword).com type of domain.

what you're saying here is that one persons "success" results in the other persons failure.

so lets say for fun that computers.com gets 100% leakage. as a first time customer, what am i likely to do when i mistakenly land on computers.com (instead of that silly .shop) ?

 

[JB Lions]

Probably shop here - http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/

 

[mjnels]

Probably shop here - http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/

so when they realize its the wrong website they'd all just read electronic reviews and never visit the intended website?

How do you visit the sites you visit every day? personally i stopped using bookmarks a long time ago. these days i just type the domain into the address bar. usually i just have to type in a few letters and click. this is still technically a type in.

if thats type in traffic then that isnt what most domainers mean when they say type in traffic... they mean "direct navigation" like going hmmmf i want to go shopping for shoes so lets go to Shoes.com

i think it will go like this...

.com = gold
.net/org = silver
info/biz/ = bronze
everything else = tinfoil

but dont you think .info and .biz will just combine with all the other mass of TLD's.. what makes them that special to even be bronze?

cctld's are different, they can be just as good as .com at the local level.

except .us

 

[Kate]

cctld's are different, they can be just as good as .com at the local level.

Exactly.
I live in Europe and local extensions are dominant, often ahead of .com.

Quite a few countries in other continents also have extensions that are fairly popular.
In those markets where .com isn't even favorite, you'll understand that other gTLDs aren't going to fare extremely well either.

except .us

True. In the US .com is the default extension but the domain landscape is diluted too.
The US also has other TLDs: .gov .mil .edu (mostly American).
The public does not readily associate .us with the United States.

The US market is peculiar.

New extensions have all failed almost without exception, .info is probably considered the most successful.
So I'm not sure why there is any expectation of a significant shift from end users toward new extensions. The demand isn't really there.

 

[mjnels]

True. In the US .com is the default extension but the domain landscape is diluted too.
The US also has other TLDs: .gov .mil .edu (mostly American).
The public does not readily associate .us with the United States.

The US market is peculiar.

New extensions have all failed almost without exception, .info is probably considered the most successful.
So I'm not sure why there is any expectation of a significant shift from end users toward new extensions. The demand isn't really there.

.US might as well be a new gTLD because its use is so rare.

dont you think the demand thing is because they're perceived as 2nd tier though?

 

[iowadawg]

Commercial today on television.
Visit Okinawa...

See our site:
VisitOkinawa.jp

First time I have seen that tld or any tld on televsion.
Except of course for .com. .us, .tv.

 

[mjnels]

wait a minute.. you've never seen a .net or .org on TV?

 

[iowadawg]

Yeah, that is a biggie for the states and the federal government...
.org

So yes.

Now .net....can't think of one yet.

 

[alien51]

There was an extremely long thread about this exact same topic barely a couple of months ago, if i'm not mistaken.

This is probably the 4th iteration of the same thing.

 

[mjnels]

There was an extremely long thread about this exact same topic barely a couple of months ago, if i'm not mistaken.

This is probably the 4th iteration of the same thing.

probably but im looking at the front page now and everything else is appraisal threads and sales threads for a bunch of dollar names.. wee yippie fun..

its not going to be the last.. as much as domainers want to just say "thats that, lets call it a day, not a big deal, everything been discussed" it isnt gonna happen and there will be lots to talk about.

 

[Sam]

Commercial today on television.
Visit Okinawa...

See our site:
VisitOkinawa.jp

First time I have seen that tld or any tld on televsion.
Except of course for .com. .us, .tv.

.JP is by far more popular then .com in Japan. Not even close.