In 2014 over a 1000 new domain extensions will be available.

[buyresaledomains]

What does that do to this biz? Does it make the .com even that much better? Or obsolete? As of now extensions have no bearing on search results. But what happens when a domain is "kendras.daycare". Will it impact Serps then?

 

[JB Lions]

"yep and now you'll be able to get keyword.keyword for reg fee"

A domainer will. Tell me who snapped up all the best .co and .me when they came out?

Since you sell computers for a living, can you give me a list of great computer.shop domains with your next post? You'll have to start adding other keywords to the word computer. Just like you have to do now with the .com.

You're thinking all these great keywords will be there for end users when they want them. No, they will get snapped up day 1. When and if, end users even find out about those new extensions, the keywords they want, will already be gone.

 

[mjnels]

"yep and now you'll be able to get keyword.keyword for reg fee"

A domainer will. Tell me who snapped up all the best .co and .me when they came out?

im not saying you're wrong. but are you saying the best keywords will have value?

Since you sell computers for a living, can you give me a list of great computer.shop domains with your next post? You'll have to start adding other keywords to the word computer. Just like you have to do now with the .com.

i agree with you. but even one active use of computer.shop takes away from whatever the person would have registered in .COM before .shop existed.

multiply that by ten thousand TLD's and what do you get?

 

[JB Lions]

"but are you saying the best keywords will have value?"

The best keywords always have some value, providing you can buy them at low cost. I made money off of selling dating.bz, one of the worst extensions out there. But I can't tell you even 1 business on that extension.

"i agree with you. but even one active use of computer.shop takes away from whatever the person would have registered in .COM before .shop existed."

We'll disagree on that one. I think if somebody actually tried to build on computer.shop, computer.com will be loving that. The bleed out rate will be pretty high. It would be smarter to get a computer(keyword).com type of domain.

"multiply that by ten thousand TLD's and what do you get?"

You're always going to get confusion and with so many, usually low reg numbers because it's spread so thin, and what does get reg, will be mostly domainers who will just park them, with a market that really isn't there. So failure basically is what you get.

I guess we'll see. I imagine in the future a lot of .mobi type of threads you see now.

 

[Jasonn]

i hear domainers say "people will be confused" as if that means "people are incapable of learning eventually"

the stick with what they know thing is taken to weird lengths too... so if i talk to someone about getting my lawn mowed and he hands me a business card using a .biz domain im going to change my mind and not visit the website?




the kids dont do type ins anymore. so literally most the people typing in a keyword and adding .COM will die eventually. im 30 years old and have never done this. seems like a stupid monkey brain way to navigate the internet.

How do you visit the sites you visit every day? personally i stopped using bookmarks a long time ago. these days i just type the domain into the address bar. usually i just have to type in a few letters and click. this is still technically a type in.

i don't doubt there will be some killer names out there. download.music or watch.porn, etc but these names will be held and auctioned off. so much for end users getting a deal. then you have domainers buying up the scraps that aren't reserved and doing nothing with them.

it just seems if new tld's were a welcomed addition, why aren't mobile sites using .mobi? out of all the one word mobi's i bought i never got a single inquiry. why aren't travel websites using .travel?

i think it will go like this...

.com = gold
.net/org = silver
info/biz/ = bronze
everything else = tinfoil

cctld's are different, they can be just as good as .com at the local level.

in the end i think it will be much ado about nothing. if domains don't matter and no one types anything in businesses could register any obscure .com or .xxx or dotwhatver and it wouldn't matter but yet for some reason .com's are still outselling everything else by a huge margin.

 

[mjnels]

We'll disagree on that one. I think if somebody actually tried to build on computer.shop, computer.com will be loving that. The bleed out rate will be pretty high. It would be smarter to get a computer(keyword).com type of domain.

what you're saying here is that one persons "success" results in the other persons failure.

so lets say for fun that computers.com gets 100% leakage. as a first time customer, what am i likely to do when i mistakenly land on computers.com (instead of that silly .shop) ?

 

[JB Lions]

Probably shop here - http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/

 

[mjnels]

Probably shop here - http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/

so when they realize its the wrong website they'd all just read electronic reviews and never visit the intended website?

How do you visit the sites you visit every day? personally i stopped using bookmarks a long time ago. these days i just type the domain into the address bar. usually i just have to type in a few letters and click. this is still technically a type in.

if thats type in traffic then that isnt what most domainers mean when they say type in traffic... they mean "direct navigation" like going hmmmf i want to go shopping for shoes so lets go to Shoes.com

i think it will go like this...

.com = gold
.net/org = silver
info/biz/ = bronze
everything else = tinfoil

but dont you think .info and .biz will just combine with all the other mass of TLD's.. what makes them that special to even be bronze?

cctld's are different, they can be just as good as .com at the local level.

except .us

 

[Kate]

cctld's are different, they can be just as good as .com at the local level.

Exactly.
I live in Europe and local extensions are dominant, often ahead of .com.

Quite a few countries in other continents also have extensions that are fairly popular.
In those markets where .com isn't even favorite, you'll understand that other gTLDs aren't going to fare extremely well either.

except .us

True. In the US .com is the default extension but the domain landscape is diluted too.
The US also has other TLDs: .gov .mil .edu (mostly American).
The public does not readily associate .us with the United States.

The US market is peculiar.

New extensions have all failed almost without exception, .info is probably considered the most successful.
So I'm not sure why there is any expectation of a significant shift from end users toward new extensions. The demand isn't really there.

 

[mjnels]

True. In the US .com is the default extension but the domain landscape is diluted too.
The US also has other TLDs: .gov .mil .edu (mostly American).
The public does not readily associate .us with the United States.

The US market is peculiar.

New extensions have all failed almost without exception, .info is probably considered the most successful.
So I'm not sure why there is any expectation of a significant shift from end users toward new extensions. The demand isn't really there.

.US might as well be a new gTLD because its use is so rare.

dont you think the demand thing is because they're perceived as 2nd tier though?

 

[iowadawg]

Commercial today on television.
Visit Okinawa...

See our site:
VisitOkinawa.jp

First time I have seen that tld or any tld on televsion.
Except of course for .com. .us, .tv.

 

[mjnels]

wait a minute.. you've never seen a .net or .org on TV?

 

[iowadawg]

Yeah, that is a biggie for the states and the federal government...
.org

So yes.

Now .net....can't think of one yet.

 

[alien51]

There was an extremely long thread about this exact same topic barely a couple of months ago, if i'm not mistaken.

This is probably the 4th iteration of the same thing.

 

[mjnels]

There was an extremely long thread about this exact same topic barely a couple of months ago, if i'm not mistaken.

This is probably the 4th iteration of the same thing.

probably but im looking at the front page now and everything else is appraisal threads and sales threads for a bunch of dollar names.. wee yippie fun..

its not going to be the last.. as much as domainers want to just say "thats that, lets call it a day, not a big deal, everything been discussed" it isnt gonna happen and there will be lots to talk about.

 

[Sam]

Commercial today on television.
Visit Okinawa...

See our site:
VisitOkinawa.jp

First time I have seen that tld or any tld on televsion.
Except of course for .com. .us, .tv.

.JP is by far more popular then .com in Japan. Not even close.

 

[JB Lions]

Interesting read:
New Web Domain Names: Should You Pass?

"Nearly two-thirds of small businesses, though, have no idea the new extensions are coming, according to a recent survey by domain vendor Sedo. The poll included roughly 600 small business owners and managers, and 94% of them said they currently had no plans to purchase a new gTLD for their company. "

"Take Hobart Swan, head of the PR agency Vocalize PR. "I hadn't a clue" of the new domain names, Swan said in an email to InformationWeek. "This should be interesting as it is hard enough to get people to your site without worrying about whether they've entered a) the correct spelling of your domain name, b) the correct extension and c) the correct spelling of the correct extension."

"The way we see it, all these new domain names will simply be money sinks," said Ian Aronovich, president and co-founder of GovernmentAuctions.org, in an email to InformationWeek. "Not only will everything be much more confusing for domain owners, but also online visitors who will have to remember whether sites end in .com, .org, .net, .info, .accountant, .movies, .lawyer, .doctor, .diapers or something else."

"Our research shows a majority of consumers are unaware that these changes are coming," a recent report by registry and DNS provider Afilias noted. "And once users hear about them, they would likely avoid the new extensions due to their unfamiliarity."

"58% indicated they wouldn't visit a website with an extension they didn't recognize."

"Old habits die hard. [Our] research shows consumer are currently reluctant to experiment with new TLDs," the Afilias report reads. (Afilias should know: the company launched with the .info domain registry in 2001.) "Confidence in 'heritage' domains has been built over many years and dot brands have tough shoes to fill."

http://www.informationweek.com/clou...ew-web-domain-names-should-you-pass/240151540

 

[Theydon]

Will Google be Google as is in 5-10 years? Nothing stands still. In my opinion its not the navigation thats important but the brand. They'll be successful niches with the new extensions but the .com will remain the desired brand.

 

[buyresaledomains]

Google will have its hands full that for sure. Trying to figure out who is the real/first/most relevant auto.com or auto.auto or auto.net

 

[mjnels]

"Nearly two-thirds of small businesses, though, have no idea the new extensions are coming, according to a recent survey by domain vendor Sedo. The poll included roughly 600 small business owners and managers, and 94% of them said they currently had no plans to purchase a new gTLD for their company. "

right makes sense.. so two thirds dont even know about them - but lets go ahead and poll those people anyway and ask if they plan on purchasing one. :lol:

"Our research shows a majority of consumers are unaware that these changes are coming," a recent report by registry and DNS provider Afilias noted. "And once users hear about them, they would likely avoid the new extensions due to their unfamiliarity."

"58% indicated they wouldn't visit a website with an extension they didn't recognize."

i think everyone here agrees with this for the most part. but heres the rub: it will change at least somewhat overtime because its not rational to "trust" .com... it's superstitious.

 

[buyresaledomains]

Currently the TLD matters zero for search performance/relevance. But what happens when your domain is fighting.ninja? Surely ninja will be treated as a search term.

 

[JB Lions]

right makes sense.. so two thirds dont even know about them - but lets go ahead and poll those people anyway and ask if they plan on purchasing one. :lol:



i think everyone here agrees with this for the most part. but heres the rub: it will change at least somewhat overtime because its not rational to "trust" .com... it's superstitious.

It's reality. Probably would be good for most domainers to read up such things as consumer behavior, market penetration etc. then it's easier to understand stuff like this. Businesses in the above quotes do.

 

[mjnels]

It's reality. Probably would be good for most domainers to read up such things as consumer behavior, market penetration etc. then it's easier to understand stuff like this. Businesses in the above quotes do.

its reality, for now.

there is no rock solid reason you should trust .com over any other TLD - the reason people "trust" it is irrational because anyone can register a .com domain and run a scam. like anything else, people "trust" things because they became familiar with them.

nobody trusted using their credit card on the internet back in the day but some of the same people had no problem giving it over the phone... its the opposite now.

 

[JB Lions]

It doesn't matter if it's irrational or not, it is what it is. Of course people can run scam .com sites, but every legit site they've been on, is usually a .com = ingrained or .org. It's habit to put the .com at the end.

"people "trust" things because they became familiar with."

http://www.hosterstats.com/DomainNameCounts2013.php

Pushing 108 million .coms. Look at .net, all this time, just at 15 million. The newest ones, .me and .co, barely over 1 million, less than 700,000. It's hard to become familiar with something, when most people will never see it, certainly not enough to get familiar with it. Maybe a generic like a .web will break the 1 million mark, the others, probably not. Probably in .tel territory as far as numbers, at best. Majority, never developed. Whole lotta failure coming.

This - http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/program-status/application-results/strings-1200utc-13jun12-en

Insane.

 

[mjnels]

It doesn't matter if it's irrational or not, it is what it is. Of course people can run scam .com sites, but every legit site they've been on, is usually a .com = ingrained or .org. It's habit to put the .com at the end.

uh huh - and people used to be scared to meet people off the internet.. now dating sites exist. :lol:

what changed?

 

[JB Lions]

Those dating sites are on .com. Plus, that's a different topic. Those alternate extensions already exist, as long as those dating sites. Haven't really caught on now, like those dating sites, have they? Go read those quotes again above, even those companies running those other extensions understand this.