I bought Little.com and stolen!

[SungChan]

Hello,




I bought Little.com domain name and the seller pushed the domain name into my NetworkSolutions account.

And yesterday I tried to access my Networksolutions account but is has denied to access.

the password is changed.




And the whois information has changed.




My domain name is stolen.




Please help me. please please....




That is all I have... My whole money...







Please help me...







Me and the seller's e-mails as follow;





capsule <[email protected]>


2월 13일








jlittle에게
























Hello.




Can I buy your domain name?




Thanks










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John Little
Hello $49k. Regards John Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM From: c...

3월 6일 (10일 전)




Hello $49k. Regards John Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM From: c...













John Little 3월 6일 (10일 전)



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John Little


3월 6일 (10일 전)








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Hello




$49k.




Regards

John











Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM
From: capsule <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Little.com









Hello.




Can I buy your domain name?




Thanks










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Capsule
Thanks for your answer. Can you accept USD 15k? Thanks. 2016년 3월 6일 일요일, John...

3월 6일 (10일 전)




Thanks for your answer. Can you accept USD 15k? Thanks. 2016년 3월 6일 일요일, John...













Capsule 3월 6일 (10일 전)



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Capsule <[email protected]>


3월 6일 (10일 전)








John에게






















Thanks for your answer.




Can you accept USD 15k?




Thanks.





2016년 3월 6일 일요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:










Hello




$49k.




Regards

John











Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM
From: capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com









Thanks for your answer.




Can you accept USD 15k?




Thanks.





2016년 3월 6일 일요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:


Hello




Sorry, it's too cheap for one-word dot com.




I can slightly decrease the price for a quick deal.




Regards

John











Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 at 6:33 PM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:


Hello




Sorry, it's too cheap for one-word dot com.




I can slightly decrease the price for a quick deal.




Regards

John











Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 at 6:33 PM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com


Hello Sir,




Please reply me.




I'm a motivated buyer .




Thank you.























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Capsule
Ok deal. How would you like to proceed? Thanks. 2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<...

3월 7일 (9일 전)




Ok deal. How would you like to proceed? Thanks. 2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<...













Capsule 3월 7일 (9일 전)



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Capsule <[email protected]>


3월 7일 (9일 전)








John에게





















Ok deal.



How would you like to proceed?




Thanks.



2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:










Hello




Let's do a deal at $33,000.




If it's agreeable to you, we can complete the deal next week.




Regards

John











Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 at 5:52 PM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM



From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com

Ok deal.



How would you like to proceed?




Thanks.



2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:


Hello




The first option is an internal transfer between Network Solutions account. It's free and almost immediately.




https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:









Ok I'll take the first option.




Thank you.





2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:

Do you have any other one word. Com domains?




Thanks.





2016년 3월 7일 월요일, Capsule<https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM








From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com








Ok I'll take the first option.




Thank you.





2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:








Hello

Ok, that's good. Have you sent the payment to escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:









Payment has been sent.

International wire-transfer takes 1-3 business days.

Thanks.





2016년 3월 8일 화요일, John Little<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:

I'm pretty sure that the funds will arrive in the Escrow.com.




Once the Escrow.com approves my payment, please push the domain name.




My Networksolutions.com Username is

sungchan




Thanks.





2016년 3월 8일 화요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>:

I'm pretty sure that the funds will arrive in the Escrow.com within today.








Once the Escrow.com approves my payment, please push the domain name.







My Networksolutions.com Username is




sungchan







Thanks.









2016년 3월 8일 화요일, Capsule<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:

I'm pretty sure that the funds will arrive in the Escrow.com.




Once the Escrow.com approves my payment, please push the domain name.




My Networksolutions.com Username is

sungchan




Thanks.





2016년 3월 8일 화요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:









OK! the Escrow.com approves my payment.




Please push the domain name to my Networksolutions account.




Username is



sungchan




And account number is 35107056




Thank you!







2016-03-08 19:52 GMT+09:00 Capsule <escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com








I just initiated the domain's transfer within networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:










Ok.




I wait for a transfer request from Network Solutions. Usually it takes a few hours.




Regards

John











Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 at 6:47 PM
From: Capsule <networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <escrow.com is needed to complete the deal.




Regards

John








Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 at 6:31 AM








From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com








Hello.




Please check your email regarding the transfer.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, John Little<networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:


Done.




Your confirmation at escrow.com is needed to complete the deal.




Regards

John








Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 at 6:31 AM
From: Capsule <networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com

Ok deal.



How would you like to proceed?




Thanks.



2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:

Hello




Let's do a deal at $33,000.




If it's agreeable to you, we can complete the deal next week.




Regards

John











Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 at 5:52 PM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com

Hello Sir,




Please reply me.




I'm a motivated buyer .




Thank you.




























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Capsule <[email protected]>


14:19 (2시간 전)








John에게






















Hello.




Can I refund the money for the domain?




Thanks

 

[DomainVP]

Notsol is not the easiest group to work with.

They have the tendency to redirect domains that get traffic to their shady ad networks that they have partnerships with.

You call them, and they have no idea what you are talking about until you show them you know what the he** you are talking about. Then mysteriously the problem will get resolved.

I hope this works out for you friend.

 

[domainerfella]

Considering the lack of English knowledge, distant location of the OP, and netsol's historic poor response, I would expect to see how Escrow.com uses its methods into practice, investigate and help the OP in this case. It's not their fault but this is something to show that they will stand up for their customer.

 

[SungChan]

I suspect the registrar. Many complaints are there against them.

My friend John Daly contacted to Netsol instead of me.
And he said

John Daly: Network solutions no longer responds My friend, I have heard nothing from network solutions.

 

[SungChan]

ah, so little.com was stolen, you bought the stolen domain and then netsol took it back to give the rightful owner. in this case escrow.com should definitely be involved.

I don't know it is stolen.
I just paid for the domain name and now, I'm lose my domain and my money...

 

[alcy]

I don't know it is stolen.
I just paid for the domain name and now, I'm lose my domain and my money...

so... did registrar take domain from you, or did thief/hacker take away from you?
cause is not same thing.

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

Ill say this, it is possible the name was stolen, buyer (OP) bought it, escrow did their job and are not at fault in any way.

Basically it appears as though a thief used escrow, period. Why not look at the whois history and track down the last owner and ask what happened.

 

[Domain Galleria]

Before we discuss whether it was a stolen domain or not, you've got to prove to us you actually bought the domain in question. Something is missing somewhere. Is there any email from netsol that confirms your purchase? At least if you can't login to netsol, you should be able to log into your personal inbox. Where is the email from escrow? I will keep seeing your story as a cooked up one until you show evidence of purchase. Forum members should be very careful so we don't end up losing something in the course of looking for what is not missing.

 

[domainerfella]

Ok did a little digging....

I actually tired to buy this name YEARS ago from the long time owner John Little.

John continued to own the name until March 5th at least, then whois changed within Netsol to a Chinese owner and not 7, yes SEVEN days later sold to our OP.

Red flags everywhere there but I think it is safe to say the name was stolen from John, resold in 7 days to our OP using escrow.com and Netsol has frozen and taken it back for John.

Case closed, OP learned a lesson now go to bed.

Its now on the OP to hunt the thief down and try to recover funds, escrow cannot help, John Little and Netsol cannot help. At best Netsol could give the OP an IP or something of the thief but still useless really.

OP, bad luck!

Thank you.

Case closed, OP learned a lesson now go to bed.

What lesson he or we can learn? What is the take away?

escrow cannot help

Escrow was used to sell a stolen domain. What should they do to avoid these kind of incidents?

I get irritated when DN.com asks me purchase receipts of each of my small domains even after buyer approved transactions. Now I realize they have a point.

Netsol cannot help

Why is it always with Netsol?

 

[TheLegendaryJP]

Thank you.



What lesson he or we can learn? What is the take away?



Escrow was used to sell a stolen domain. What should they do to avoid these kind of incidents?

I get irritated when DN.com asks me purchase receipts of each of my small domains even after buyer approved transactions. Now I realize they have a point.



Why is it always with Netsol?

The lesson, do your due diligence! If you used whois history it would have set off red flags, call previous owner to verify it was sold to new owner, google emails, numbers etc. Element of risk in every deal but much can be eliminated if you take care.

Escrow, they are a medium, agent, holds funds, releases funds that is it. Can they give the OP info, I suppose but if the thief was good it will be useless.

Why netsol? Easy the thief stole and kept it within netsol meaning no 30-60 day hold most rars do if transferred out, makes it harder to sell fast. They also sold just in time for an allowance of another internal push. Why netsol, if youre the thief, why not!

 

[deez007]

Holly sh*t man.... this is really not cool. I thought the op would get his money back ... I didn't realize that the seller freakin hijacked the domain from the original owner and then flogged it after a few days to the op... sorry for your loss op.

 

[bonavee]

...Always ask to see a renewal notice/ registration notice which had been sent to the whois email as well as any payment receipt of the reg/renewal before agreeing to do a high value transaction.

Very important point this. It's a no-brainer, IMHO. Bless you @domainventure.

 

[HCFree1]

As a relatively new domainer, I'm glad I joined this forum and came across this thread. I have had someone try to hijack my GoDaddy acct. in the past. I'm not a fan of all things GoDaddy, but the two-factor authentication and 60-Day transfer lock, which can be a pain, make me feel a little more secure from fraud or theft of domains. Now knowing how easy it is to be scammed in a purchase, even through escrow, will make me more cautious when purchasing.

 

[domainerfella]

Could this be possible also? @TheLegendaryJP said there is no whois info between the OP (scammer) and little John. So OP made a fake transaction without really stealing the domain and put a thread here to taint Escrow.com. How about that?

You may note that he stopped responding.

 

[Name Trader]

I already sent the proof of purchase.
But netsol said 'I would suggest that your client contact their local authorities to address the possibility of recouping their funds.'

I don't have money to hire lawyer...

You are going to need a lawyer for this case in order to get NetSol to respond to you. They have stopped responding for a reason. The reason being there is a dispute over the ownership of this domain. Who changed the ownership details of your account? The seller, the previous legitimate owner, or NetSol. NetSol will not respond except to a lawyer. You will need a lawyer in order to have any chance of recovering this domain. Else your money is gone.

At NetSol. You need to "pull" the domain into your account. How was the domain transferred to your account.

 

[Name Trader]

Ok did a little digging....

I actually tired to buy this name YEARS ago from the long time owner John Little.

John continued to own the name until March 5th at least, then whois changed within Netsol to a Korean KR owner and not 7, yes SEVEN days later sold to our OP.

Red flags everywhere there but I think it is safe to say the name was stolen from John, resold in 7 days to our OP using escrow.com and Netsol has frozen and taken it back for John.

Case closed, OP learned a lesson now go to bed.

Its now on the OP to hunt the thief down and try to recover funds, escrow cannot help, John Little and Netsol cannot help. At best Netsol could give the OP an IP or something of the thief but still useless really.

OP, bad luck!

Is any of this confirmed by John Little?

 

[domainerfella]

Ok, must have missed that post ?

So he is claiming John Little himself sold him the domain name. if true that would be very easy to prove.

All the OP has to do is show the escrow transaction to Netsol and get escrow to verify it was a real transaction.

The ONLY thing I can see is someone selling it who did not have permission to but knows John OR the thief used John's email?

Further, John Little asked 49k for the domain and he countered with 15k which was admitted.

49k for Little.com?

John Little gets the money, then gets the domain back, and goes under privacy.

Who is the scammer here?

 

[premkumar]

I think, best thing going forward is, "Domain transfer" for high value purchase. This ensure the current owner own atleast for 2 month and moving away ensure you control the domain and no one claim it as stolen without a proper court order. Domain push is risky and not worth taking risk on high net worth domains

 

[Domain Galleria]

Where is the OP?

...considering plan B as plan A has been battered and punctured

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

I am pretty sure there was no transaction. Both the buyer and the seller are of same group hence, no money moves outside the ring

Escrow.com rep did confirm that a transaction took place and that the buyer actually confirmed receiving the domain.

Now I think Escrow.com cant just share the Bank details of the seller unless there is court order or something in that regard so I think thw OP is screwed if indeed he is not already involved with the seller.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

do y'all not see the red flags here. its a con.. how can you afford to pay 33k for a domain but can't afford a lawyer.

EXACTLY!!!! Mr. Smith? I've been getting alot of slack lately on my comment with the "nigerian scam". do you take offense to this mention of the nigerian scam and how this looks like one? Your honest opinion is appreciated it. Thanks.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

about the name... so does it mean that Chinese investing in real words?

I sent you a PM.
Please check it out

OH BOY HERE WE GO! OFF THREAD CONVERSATIONS VIA PM?!?!?!?!
here we go!

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

if it starts like "Hello Friend, I am the daughter of a Nigerian Politician who owned a bankrupted Gold mine. My father secretly kept $400 million in his account and I'd like your help transfer these funds overseas.Please deposit $100 in this account and I will give you $1 million dollars. as a Thank you. Will you assist?" yadda yadda yadda. lol

 

[RU]

but did you SEND any PMS? lol that IS the question. lol just becareful friend.

lol i mean PMs (private messages)

 

[TRY]

So let me get this , if I own the domain name BUY.com which cost a lot , and then ask hire someone (or just do it myself) to create a new account on my registrar and act like they stole it from me , and then sell it to someone , as many here replied ESCROW won't help the buyer after getting the money , also NS won't be a help either , so I can just pretend that my domain is stolen so they give it back to me , and the buyer need to hire a lawyer and try to sue that virtual seller ?!

Possession is nine-tenths of the law.....

 

[artstar]

How if I covered my IP and make it looks like my domain is stolen by the fake me, and the fake me sold the 'stolen' domain to someone via escrow. Once the escrow is completed, the real me starts to make a claim to the registrar regarding the stolen issue and get the domain back. At the end I get the money and still keep the domain.

I always wonder who should be responable to this situation? The stupid buyer?

hmm so where does the $ come from that's in escrow? the fake me? lol doesn't make sense but interesting concept.