I bought Little.com and stolen!

[SungChan]

Hello,




I bought Little.com domain name and the seller pushed the domain name into my NetworkSolutions account.

And yesterday I tried to access my Networksolutions account but is has denied to access.

the password is changed.




And the whois information has changed.




My domain name is stolen.




Please help me. please please....




That is all I have... My whole money...







Please help me...







Me and the seller's e-mails as follow;





capsule <[email protected]>


2월 13일








jlittle에게
























Hello.




Can I buy your domain name?




Thanks










내 삼성 디바이스에서 보냈습니다















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John Little
Hello $49k. Regards John Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM From: c...

3월 6일 (10일 전)




Hello $49k. Regards John Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM From: c...













John Little 3월 6일 (10일 전)



로드 중...













John Little


3월 6일 (10일 전)








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Hello




$49k.




Regards

John











Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM
From: capsule <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Little.com









Hello.




Can I buy your domain name?




Thanks










내 삼성 디바이스에서 보냈습니다
























답장

전달























Capsule
Thanks for your answer. Can you accept USD 15k? Thanks. 2016년 3월 6일 일요일, John...

3월 6일 (10일 전)




Thanks for your answer. Can you accept USD 15k? Thanks. 2016년 3월 6일 일요일, John...













Capsule 3월 6일 (10일 전)



로드 중...













Capsule <[email protected]>


3월 6일 (10일 전)








John에게






















Thanks for your answer.




Can you accept USD 15k?




Thanks.





2016년 3월 6일 일요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:










Hello




$49k.




Regards

John











Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM
From: capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com









Thanks for your answer.




Can you accept USD 15k?




Thanks.





2016년 3월 6일 일요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:


Hello




Sorry, it's too cheap for one-word dot com.




I can slightly decrease the price for a quick deal.




Regards

John











Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 at 6:33 PM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:


Hello




Sorry, it's too cheap for one-word dot com.




I can slightly decrease the price for a quick deal.




Regards

John











Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 at 6:33 PM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com


Hello Sir,




Please reply me.




I'm a motivated buyer .




Thank you.























답장

전달





















Capsule
Ok deal. How would you like to proceed? Thanks. 2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<...

3월 7일 (9일 전)




Ok deal. How would you like to proceed? Thanks. 2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<...













Capsule 3월 7일 (9일 전)



로드 중...













Capsule <[email protected]>


3월 7일 (9일 전)








John에게





















Ok deal.



How would you like to proceed?




Thanks.



2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:










Hello




Let's do a deal at $33,000.




If it's agreeable to you, we can complete the deal next week.




Regards

John











Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 at 5:52 PM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM



From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com

Ok deal.



How would you like to proceed?




Thanks.



2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:


Hello




The first option is an internal transfer between Network Solutions account. It's free and almost immediately.




https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:









Ok I'll take the first option.




Thank you.





2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:

Do you have any other one word. Com domains?




Thanks.





2016년 3월 7일 월요일, Capsule<https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM








From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com








Ok I'll take the first option.




Thank you.





2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:








Hello

Ok, that's good. Have you sent the payment to escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:









Payment has been sent.

International wire-transfer takes 1-3 business days.

Thanks.





2016년 3월 8일 화요일, John Little<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:

I'm pretty sure that the funds will arrive in the Escrow.com.




Once the Escrow.com approves my payment, please push the domain name.




My Networksolutions.com Username is

sungchan




Thanks.





2016년 3월 8일 화요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>:

I'm pretty sure that the funds will arrive in the Escrow.com within today.








Once the Escrow.com approves my payment, please push the domain name.







My Networksolutions.com Username is




sungchan







Thanks.









2016년 3월 8일 화요일, Capsule<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:

I'm pretty sure that the funds will arrive in the Escrow.com.




Once the Escrow.com approves my payment, please push the domain name.




My Networksolutions.com Username is

sungchan




Thanks.





2016년 3월 8일 화요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:









OK! the Escrow.com approves my payment.




Please push the domain name to my Networksolutions account.




Username is



sungchan




And account number is 35107056




Thank you!







2016-03-08 19:52 GMT+09:00 Capsule <escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John


Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com








I just initiated the domain's transfer within networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:










Ok.




I wait for a transfer request from Network Solutions. Usually it takes a few hours.




Regards

John











Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 at 6:47 PM
From: Capsule <networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <escrow.com is needed to complete the deal.




Regards

John








Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 at 6:31 AM








From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com








Hello.




Please check your email regarding the transfer.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, John Little<networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:


Done.




Your confirmation at escrow.com is needed to complete the deal.




Regards

John








Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 at 6:31 AM
From: Capsule <networksolutions.com.




Please check your email and networksolutions.com account.




Thanks.





2016년 3월 9일 수요일, Capsule<escrow.com?

I have nothing more to sell.

Regards
John

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 8:34 AM
From: Capsule <https://www.networksolutions.com/domain-transfer/index.jsp




The second one is an external transfer to another registrar, for example GoDaddy. I'll tell you an authorization code for it.




How domain escrow works




https://www.escrow.com/services/domain-and-website-escrow/how-domain-escrow-works/




Regards
John





Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 at 12:08 AM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com

Ok deal.



How would you like to proceed?




Thanks.



2016년 3월 7일 월요일, John Little<[email protected]>님이 작성한 메시지:

Hello




Let's do a deal at $33,000.




If it's agreeable to you, we can complete the deal next week.




Regards

John











Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 at 5:52 PM
From: Capsule <[email protected]>
To: "John Little" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Little.com

Hello Sir,




Please reply me.




I'm a motivated buyer .




Thank you.




























답장

전달






















Capsule <[email protected]>


14:19 (2시간 전)








John에게






















Hello.




Can I refund the money for the domain?




Thanks

 

[owntype]

How if I covered my IP and make it looks like my domain is stolen by the fake me, and the fake me sold the 'stolen' domain to someone via escrow. Once the escrow is completed, the real me starts to make a claim to the registrar regarding the stolen issue and get the domain back. At the end I get the money and still keep the domain.

I always wonder who should be responable to this situation? The stupid buyer?

 

[bytedo]

Where is the OP?

 

[ramkumaritrvs]

Latest update:

Ok did a little digging….

I actually tired to buy this name YEARS ago from the long time owner John Little.

John continued to own the name until March 5th at least, then whois changed within Netsol to a Korean KR owner and not 7, yes SEVEN days later sold to our OP.

Red flags everywhere there but I think it is safe to say the name was stolen from John, resold in 7 days to our OP using escrow.com and Netsol has frozen and taken it back for John.

Case closed, OP learned a lesson now go to bed.

Its now on the OP to hunt the thief down and try to recover funds, escrow cannot help, John Little and Netsol cannot help. At best Netsol could give the OP an IP or something of the thief but still useless really.

OP, bad luck!

Source: http://www.thedomains.com/2016/03/17/update-little-com

 

[SungChan]

I'm here guys..

I'm very exhausted and hopeless...

Desperate. .

Besides some guys said I'm the scammer

And I don't have money for lawyer...

I'm finished. ....

 

[alcy]

this thread is going nowhere, and you are doing nothin to help yourself.
I'm out of here.

if you are lying about this, I hope you get caught.
if you are not, then I hope you get your money back and they catch thief.

either way, good luck. you'll need it in both cases.

 

[SungChan]

Better File a complaint both to Icaan about Netsol of their lack luster security and the money you lost becoz of them. 2. File a local police complaint and send copy to all the party Icann, netsol, escrow add netsol, escrow as criminal in police complaint. This will help you, may be in future if culprit caught you may get you money, even if not, in future netsol or escrow establish branch in your country, they may face music and try to solve / compensate you. Infact add Icaan also as criminal, becoz they allowed the Whois name transfer. This keep tab on all guys. I know a case in which CEO of billion dollar MLM was arrested for complaint of cheat for just $100. so just involved everyone who are party to the case and file police complaint against them.

Who knows the culprit may be a netsol employee( having access & knowledge of netsol security), so just go ahead and file complaint. If your country is big market like china, chance are their this people face music when they want to enter or start their business in your country. In that time, this complaint hunt them.

If you are real victim, in that case the above is one possible solution.

Thanks for your advice.

 

[SungChan]

So that's it, you're finished?

Can you share the escrow info, you say you paid John Little so feel free to PM me the escrow info.

I want to continue to give you the benefit of the doubt BUT you have to start helping yourself via proof.

I sent you a PM.
Please check it out

 

[RU]

OH BOY HERE WE GO! OFF THREAD CONVERSATIONS VIA PM?!?!?!?!
here we go!

i didnt receive any pms

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

i didnt receive any pms

but did you SEND any PMS? lol that IS the question. lol just becareful friend.

 

[DNScholar]

So what is the conclusion? where is the domain now.

 

[WhoaDomain.com]

yes exactly what happened?

 

[Kate]

Bottom line: it's high time to contact a lawyer, preferably one that is familiar with domain name issues. People like Berry-Hill or Brett Lewis.
Disclaimer: haven't done business with either, not a recommendation but a suggestion.
Unless JP is willing to take on the case. But more details will be needed.

 

[eurorealtor]

How could someone possible think domain like this would sell for low $xx,xxx?
I have skipped most of the pages in this thread so excuse me if I missed something important.

 

[bRionZ]

I wish this will end asap. dont ever stolen again sir.

 

[BMOS]

You don't have to worry . i had similar problems with few of my domains in Name.com. I contacted them and the domains were back in couple of days. Chase them daily until you get hold of your domains.

 

[elevator]

Ok did a little digging....

I actually tired to buy this name YEARS ago from the long time owner John Little.

John continued to own the name until March 5th at least, then whois changed within Netsol to a Korean KR owner and not 7, yes SEVEN days later sold to our OP.

Red flags everywhere there but I think it is safe to say the name was stolen from John, resold in 7 days to our OP using escrow.com and Netsol has frozen and taken it back for John.

Case closed, OP learned a lesson now go to bed.

Its now on the OP to hunt the thief down and try to recover funds, escrow cannot help, John Little and Netsol cannot help. At best Netsol could give the OP an IP or something of the thief but still useless really.

OP, bad luck!

Sorry, to me this is not clossed. Someone definitly sold it to OP and such person should be revealled.

One thing that is clear to me, is that, all of the transactions were done within netsol; and that showed how unsecure they are. IMO.

 

[America First]

Just an update, I was away for a few days.

I have reviewed screen shots the OP provided of escrow. Assuming he is telling the full truth, no fakery and he is 100% honest I must conclude that John's email was either compromised or left expired and registered for use by the thief. Unfortunately if the thief used his old email service and called himself John Little in the escrow transaction is does not mean it was THE John Little (domain owner) it could have been anyone.

I have suggested the OP contact escrow and ask for verification of who they paid and how. That info would either quickly lead to more questions or put an end to this. I would assume the thief would not send funds to the real John Little of course so that would be a key piece of the case, if obtainable.

Again giving OP benefit of the doubt and with the help of escrow payment info, say thief's bank account, email for payment (which if via the john little hacked email is useless)...etc Even if one found the thief who could be anywhere in the world, charging them, proving it all in court and recovering funds are all very long shots and may not even justify the expense. Sad but a reality and a big example why due diligence is so vital.

I have been following this and you, and you been doing well on this. Thanks for the info....But here this guy sends a PM to you and you got what you asked for (a screen shot or email showing this transaction) since you had doubt as many of us do.(and many of us wanted to see also).
Are you saying you still have doubts this OP is REAL? Was this not satisfactory, would it hold up as evidence to Escrow.com? We would like to know you opinion since you are the only one with this info.

Are you suggesting maybe someone stole JL`s email to pull of this scam? LOL that process would be incredibly challenging, to steal the email, then get the password to his domain account, then hope JL never checks his email and noticed he is locked out and must contact them to reset the password, and then hope a buyer like the OP (a newbie, that has NO CLUE on how to do background checking and due diligence) at some point emails him one day asking him if the domain LITTLE.com happens to be for sale, then negotiate a price, open escrow, all while JL has not used his email, or had to get into his domain account, and hoping by chance Escrow.com does not do it`s due diligence on a name over 10k to make sure EVERYONE is on the up and up. lololol We are now phishing. lol

All my emails forward to other emails i have, no free accounts, so if anything changes, any request, account issues, I am notified on all of them. Each email/domain account I have is 12 to 18 letters, numbers, signs including caps. It`s a must.

 

[owntype]

hmm so where does the $ come from that's in escrow? the fake me? lol doesn't make sense but interesting concept.

Obviously in this concept, the real buyer paid money to escrow, and when the deal is completed, the fake me(real me) gets the money. And the real buyer is screwed.

 

[tonecas]

Sorry, to me this is not clossed. Someone definitly sold it to OP and such person should be revealled.

One thing that is clear to me, is that, all of the transactions were done within netsol; and that showed how unsecure they are. IMO.

just follow the money... Escrow has the seller's bank account info.

yes, NetSol has been extremely insecure for years. incredible how so much people still keeps their domains with them and paying the most expensive fees in the market.