advice HELP I Think I Just Sold TattooTronics.com For $7300 USD HELP

[EASYPICKINGS]

Hello,

I got a text message... saying..

"Hi hope you're well. It's Kim. You have some offers on your domain if you're selling it. Been sending you messages. Info at (website with my phone number in it)"

I am like what the heck? So I go to the site on my computer, and I see I have several offers for my name
tattootronics.com that I never listed on here. Its called KEM EXPO, kemexpo.com, I am like what the heck,
because I see the offer is $7300.... So I accepted it, I entered my Paypal Email.... It says I will be sent the money..? Is this real people???????

 

[Internet.Domains]

I got the same text......Its a scam.

 

[equity78]

The business closed, the domain expired @Alvin Brown had it on his list last year,

https://www.kickstartcommerce.com/quick-picks-no-bid-domain-auctions-ending-7-10-2018.html

The domain was probably picked up for closeouts because of the age, some people will buy just about any 1996 registration in .com.

 

[Internet.Domains]

The business closed, the domain expired @Alvin Brown had it on his list last year,

https://www.kickstartcommerce.com/quick-picks-no-bid-domain-auctions-ending-7-10-2018.html

The domain was probably picked up for closeouts because of the age, some people will buy just about any 1996 registration in .com.

The origination domain is: 9domainoffers.com

 

[ebaum]

Hey guys, I got this a couple hours ago for 1 of my domains. I got 7 "offers" for this domain, and 1 was higher than my asking price lol

I didn't even pursue it because it was obvious to me it's a scam.

I have a feeling this is a brand new scam that just got launched.

How much are they trying to charge you for the subscription? I didn't get that far with them lol

 

[frank-germany]

paypal works this way:
if you have no money in your account
they will not refund

 

[BaileyUK]

paypal works this way:
if you have no money in your account
they will not refund

I often wondered about that, If the funds showed in your Paypal account, then surely transferring them out would prevent any charge-back, for example if they were transferred in via the buyers credit card' who then tried to reverse

I know in this instance No payment is going to be made and it's a scam.

Just as a mention - Some of those 'Click-to-verify' scams are getting extremely good at duplicating the genuine site, right down to all the links but 'Verify' pointing to the correct url, It's only when you hover-over the Verify that you see some .jp .ch etc url.

I wonder how long it will be before the scammers find a way to work in real-time alongside an expected Verify message

 

[MrChicago]

So I got the exact same text yesterday...and my reaction was the same ("what the heck")??

So I decided to play along a little... surprisingly, they did send $.02 to my PayPal as part of their "verification". So I wanted to play more lol...I saw one of the "offers" I had for my site was for $7400...so I countered with $8000 just for the heck of it...a couple hours later it said my offer was accepted.

But here’s where they get you...supposedly in order to receive transactions larger than $2500 you have to sign up for their “premium” membership, which costs $250.

What's interesting is if you look at their "How It Works" section, it does show they use an escrow to supposedly hold the funds. But what's also interesting is they have no support number to reach anyone. I did send them an email questioning their process and I'm waiting on a response.

My brain tells me this is pure scam-city, but it also feels like this could possibly be legit.

I'll post the response I get from them if/when I get it.

 

[shah fahad]

Hello,

I got a text message... saying..

"Hi hope you're well. It's Kim. You have some offers on your domain if you're selling it. Been sending you messages. Info at (website with my phone number in it)"

I am like what the heck? So I go to the site on my computer, and I see I have several offers for my name
tattootronics.com that I never listed on here. Its called KEM EXPO, kemexpo.com, I am like what the heck,
because I see the offer is $7300.... So I accepted it, I entered my Paypal Email.... It says I will be sent the money..? Is this real people???????

Brother never try this shit i loss 739$ so please ignore this!

 

[shah fahad]

We have to take steps to stop this cybercrime they are dealing in Bitcoins, and please mention all of those sites which are involving in this so we can shut it down from GOOGLE.

 

[mems]

I would be careful.
I found this video on the subject.

 

[jideofor]

You are already too excited to think clearly and that is a red flag. Better take the domain name to Undeveloped and tell them to buy it from there than trying to handle this kind of weird transaction that sort of giving off "scam" alert...

 

[NYJimbo]

I would be careful.
I found this video on the subject.

I started to watch the video and got the urge to punch this guy in the face every 30 seconds. People who make videos where they wander off in their topic or cant finish a thought or are constantly fiddling with stuff or saying "yeah, so, anyway...." drive me nuts.

 

[EbookLover]

I think they can just charge it back, but I have proof of purchase, and I am covered under paypal, the money would be put on hold if they issued a charge back.

There is no seller protection with Paypal when intangible goods, like domains, are involved. If you search this forum and Paypal's Seller Protection Policy, you can confirm this.

There is a good GREAT chance what will happen here is that, after you transfer the domain to the "buyer",...

• the charge will be disputed on paypal.
  
• Paypal will tell you to provide proof of delivery
  
• You will provide proof of successful transfer as proof of delivery
  
• Paypal will reject your proof of delivery because paypal does not take electronic transactions as proof, only tracking #s of actual shipments (and if selling price is over $750 they required signature delivery proof along with the tracking #). You cannot provide either of these since the product sold was an intangible product delivered electronically.

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Here are excerpts from Paypal's Plocies regarding Seller Protection...

Source: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#seller-protection

To be eligible for PayPal’s Seller Protection, you must meet all of the following requirements:

• The primary address for your PayPal account must be in the United States.
• The item must be a physical, tangible good that can be shipped.
• You must ship the item to the shipping address on the transaction details page in your PayPal account for the transaction. If you originally ship the item to the recipient's shipping address on the transaction details page but the item is later redirected to a different address, you will not be eligible for PayPal Seller Protection. We therefore recommend not using a shipping service that is arranged by the buyer, so that you will be able to provide valid proof of shipping and delivery.
• You must respond to PayPal's requests for documentation and other information in a timely manner as requested in our email correspondence with you or in our correspondence with you through the Resolution Center. If you do not respond to PayPal’s request for documentation and other information in the time requested, you may not be eligible for Seller Protection.
• If the sale involves pre-ordered or made-to-order goods, you must ship within the timeframe you specified in the listing. Otherwise, it is recommended that you ship all items within 7 days after receipt of payment.

Item Not Received additional requirements

To be eligible for PayPal’s Seller Protection program for a buyer’s Item Not Received claim, you must meet both the basic requirements listed above and the additional requirements listed below:

• Where a buyer files a chargeback with the issuer for a card-funded transaction, the payment must be marked “eligible” for PayPal’s Seller Protection on the Transaction Details page.
• You must provide proof of delivery as described below.

Ineligible items and transactions

Your sale is not eligible for coverage under PayPal’s Seller Protection program if:

• It involves intangible, non-physical, items, including digital goods, and services. Digital goods are delivered and used in an electronic format, like a song delivered online or through a mobile application.
• The buyer claims (either with us or their card issuer) that the item you sent isn’t what was ordered (referred to as a “Significantly Not as Described” claim).
• It involves an item that PayPal determines, in its sole discretion, is a counterfeit item.
• It involves an item that you deliver in person, including in connection with a payment made in your physical store.
• It involves sales that are not processed either through a buyer’s PayPal account or a PayPal guest checkout transaction. For example, if the sale was made using the PayPal Payments Pro/VT product, PayPal business payments or using PayPal Here, then it is not eligible for coverage.
• It involves items equivalent to cash including gift cards.
• It involves a donation.
• It relates to the purchase of a financial product or investment of any kind.
• It involves a payment sent using PayPal’s friends and family functionality.
• It involves a payment made using PayPal Payouts and Mass Pay.
• The item is a vehicle, including, but not limited to a motor vehicle, motorcycle, recreational vehicle, aircraft or boat.

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This is a huge red flag. This "marketplace" listed your domain for sale without your consent. That alone should tell you to proceed with caution if you even proceed at all.

Tell "Kim" that you will gladly sell your domain through an escrow service where buyer pays all escrow fees. I bet "Kim" will never accept this.

 

[wwwweb]

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[Tia Wood]

I just got the same text. Very odd that people seem to be getting these at the same time.

 

[EbookLover]

Tell them you need full contact details of the seller and that once you transact with seller via escrow, you will then send them their commission

After all, if they expect you to trust them "out of the blue", then you should reasonably expect them to trust you "out of the blue", too, right?

 

[Tia Wood]

Also worth mentioning that I have never had this domain listed for sell anywhere.

 

[Tia Wood]

"Hi hope you're well. It's Kim. You have some offers on your domain if you're selling it. Been sending you messages. Info at (website with my phone number in it)"

Can you update the thread title to "KEM EXPO, kemexpo.com - Offers via Text" so that other domainers are more aware please?

 

[Tia Wood]

Brother never try this sh*t i loss 739$ so please ignore this!

Can you be more specific and include screenshots please?

 

[EbookLover]

So I accepted it, I entered my Paypal Email

You should change your paypal email address.
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Also, to those saying that if a buyer does a chargeback and you have no funds in your paypal account, they paypal cannot take the money. This may not be true. PP could take the money from your bank account associated with your PP account. But even if they cannot, then they can (and probably will) restrict/suspend your PP account until you fund your PP account it with enough funds to satisfy the chargeback/dispute.