advice HELP I Think I Just Sold TattooTronics.com For $7300 USD HELP

[EASYPICKINGS]

Hello,

I got a text message... saying..

"Hi hope you're well. It's Kim. You have some offers on your domain if you're selling it. Been sending you messages. Info at (website with my phone number in it)"

I am like what the heck? So I go to the site on my computer, and I see I have several offers for my name
tattootronics.com that I never listed on here. Its called KEM EXPO, kemexpo.com, I am like what the heck,
because I see the offer is $7300.... So I accepted it, I entered my Paypal Email.... It says I will be sent the money..? Is this real people???????

 

[NYJimbo]

LOL, I got a feeling this is going to be fun.

 

[NYJimbo]

Just for the fun of it, I did pay the $159 and I got a message that it would take until Friday 03/05/2019 at 9:48pm to complete the account. When everything was finally set, I tried again to accept the offer and I got another message, saying that my account rose a red flag and now I have to fill out a form, get it signed, notarized and sent to Australia. Since the offer expires tomorrow April 7th 2019, it'll be impossible to accept the offer on my domain.

I will dispute the charge with PayPal and see if I can get my money back, since I get no response from their support team.

Sure sounds like fun.

 

[wwwweb]

I think this is real....

Seriously your username is Easy Pickings, they are essentially conning you to enter your data in.

TattooTronics has like no search results, they are setting you up for something.

 

[NYJimbo]

If you get a "paypal" email to click to verify your account it could be a spoof. This verification process might fool you into logging into a fake paypal site.

Another trick is to send you money as a test, they ask you to refund it, but you cant for some error. They then ask you to just send it directly back to them, not as a refund, but as a "send". In a few days the money they sent to you is charged back. You try to get a refund for what you sent them and either you cannot or paypal has to go through hoops to get it done.

 

[Hypersot]

I wonder, can they secure the transfer and then request a refund via paypal? .. I mean there is no escrow involved is there? That's quite a lot of money for using just paypal.

 

[wwwweb]

You sure it's not Scam Expo?

 

[EASYPICKINGS]

Scam confirmed.. asking me to sign up for a subscription.... to accept offers... LMAO

 

[NYJimbo]

I await the first person here that says they ever heard of Kem Expo as a platform......

 

[EbookLover]

I think they can just charge it back, but I have proof of purchase, and I am covered under paypal, the money would be put on hold if they issued a charge back.

There is no seller protection with Paypal when intangible goods, like domains, are involved. If you search this forum and Paypal's Seller Protection Policy, you can confirm this.

There is a good GREAT chance what will happen here is that, after you transfer the domain to the "buyer",...

• the charge will be disputed on paypal.
  
• Paypal will tell you to provide proof of delivery
  
• You will provide proof of successful transfer as proof of delivery
  
• Paypal will reject your proof of delivery because paypal does not take electronic transactions as proof, only tracking #s of actual shipments (and if selling price is over $750 they required signature delivery proof along with the tracking #). You cannot provide either of these since the product sold was an intangible product delivered electronically.

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Here are excerpts from Paypal's Plocies regarding Seller Protection...

Source: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#seller-protection

To be eligible for PayPal’s Seller Protection, you must meet all of the following requirements:

• The primary address for your PayPal account must be in the United States.
• The item must be a physical, tangible good that can be shipped.
• You must ship the item to the shipping address on the transaction details page in your PayPal account for the transaction. If you originally ship the item to the recipient's shipping address on the transaction details page but the item is later redirected to a different address, you will not be eligible for PayPal Seller Protection. We therefore recommend not using a shipping service that is arranged by the buyer, so that you will be able to provide valid proof of shipping and delivery.
• You must respond to PayPal's requests for documentation and other information in a timely manner as requested in our email correspondence with you or in our correspondence with you through the Resolution Center. If you do not respond to PayPal’s request for documentation and other information in the time requested, you may not be eligible for Seller Protection.
• If the sale involves pre-ordered or made-to-order goods, you must ship within the timeframe you specified in the listing. Otherwise, it is recommended that you ship all items within 7 days after receipt of payment.

Item Not Received additional requirements

To be eligible for PayPal’s Seller Protection program for a buyer’s Item Not Received claim, you must meet both the basic requirements listed above and the additional requirements listed below:

• Where a buyer files a chargeback with the issuer for a card-funded transaction, the payment must be marked “eligible” for PayPal’s Seller Protection on the Transaction Details page.
• You must provide proof of delivery as described below.

Ineligible items and transactions

Your sale is not eligible for coverage under PayPal’s Seller Protection program if:

• It involves intangible, non-physical, items, including digital goods, and services. Digital goods are delivered and used in an electronic format, like a song delivered online or through a mobile application.
• The buyer claims (either with us or their card issuer) that the item you sent isn’t what was ordered (referred to as a “Significantly Not as Described” claim).
• It involves an item that PayPal determines, in its sole discretion, is a counterfeit item.
• It involves an item that you deliver in person, including in connection with a payment made in your physical store.
• It involves sales that are not processed either through a buyer’s PayPal account or a PayPal guest checkout transaction. For example, if the sale was made using the PayPal Payments Pro/VT product, PayPal business payments or using PayPal Here, then it is not eligible for coverage.
• It involves items equivalent to cash including gift cards.
• It involves a donation.
• It relates to the purchase of a financial product or investment of any kind.
• It involves a payment sent using PayPal’s friends and family functionality.
• It involves a payment made using PayPal Payouts and Mass Pay.
• The item is a vehicle, including, but not limited to a motor vehicle, motorcycle, recreational vehicle, aircraft or boat.

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This is a huge red flag. This "marketplace" listed your domain for sale without your consent. That alone should tell you to proceed with caution if you even proceed at all.

Tell "Kim" that you will gladly sell your domain through an escrow service where buyer pays all escrow fees. I bet "Kim" will never accept this.

 

[gilescoley]

I doubt its real if you never listed it there.

 

[Hypersot]

How can we not say definitively if this is real or not..

ask for their credentials as a legitimate escrow agent.
I read in that screenshot you posted that they act as an escrow.. well, it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask them then.

 

[NYJimbo]

Look at it this way, if it is a new scam, at least we will all learn about it now.

 

[equity78]

The business closed, the domain expired @Alvin Brown had it on his list last year,

https://www.kickstartcommerce.com/quick-picks-no-bid-domain-auctions-ending-7-10-2018.html

The domain was probably picked up for closeouts because of the age, some people will buy just about any 1996 registration in .com.

 

[shah fahad]

We have to take steps to stop this cybercrime they are dealing in Bitcoins, and please mention all of those sites which are involving in this so we can shut it down from GOOGLE.

 

[Duanny]

I've been through the same thing. I Have a domain which I never listed and on Wednesday I got the same message as you. Someone offered $7,900 for my domain, I counter offered and the person accepted. When I tried to accept the offer, it said that I needed to have an account with them, and since the value was high, I needed to subscribe to the platinum account, which costs $159 month. Just for the fun of it, I did pay the $159 and I got a message that it would take until Friday 03/05/2019 at 9:48pm to complete the account. When everything was finally set, I tried again to accept the offer and I got another message, saying that my account rose a red flag and now I have to fill out a form, get it signed, notarized and sent to Australia. Since the offer expires tomorrow April 7th 2019, it'll be impossible to accept the offer on my domain. I think this website is a Scam to loure people to pay the $159/month with the hope of selling their domain.

I will dispute the charge with PayPal and see if I can get my money back, since I get no response from their support team.

 

[karmaco]

It’s not real. If it is real complete the transaction at UnDeveloped where you have a 3rd party as a go between. I bet if you suggest another platform any other platform you never hear again. It is a scam.

 

[equity78]

This was Karel Exposition Management, at GoDaddy for years, just moved to GoDaddy.

Recent Registrar History
Namesilo
Since April 5, 2019
Godaddy
Since May 22, 2017
Godaddy.com, LLC
Since July 30, 2015
Wild West Domains, LLC
Since March 3, 2014

 

[EASYPICKINGS]

They probably sent out mass sms text messages with this shit to thousands of people.. smart use of their databases

 

[MrChicago]

So I got the exact same text yesterday...and my reaction was the same ("what the heck")??

So I decided to play along a little... surprisingly, they did send $.02 to my PayPal as part of their "verification". So I wanted to play more lol...I saw one of the "offers" I had for my site was for $7400...so I countered with $8000 just for the heck of it...a couple hours later it said my offer was accepted.

But here’s where they get you...supposedly in order to receive transactions larger than $2500 you have to sign up for their “premium” membership, which costs $250.

What's interesting is if you look at their "How It Works" section, it does show they use an escrow to supposedly hold the funds. But what's also interesting is they have no support number to reach anyone. I did send them an email questioning their process and I'm waiting on a response.

My brain tells me this is pure scam-city, but it also feels like this could possibly be legit.

I'll post the response I get from them if/when I get it.

 

[mems]

I would be careful.
I found this video on the subject.

 

[EbookLover]

So I accepted it, I entered my Paypal Email

You should change your paypal email address.
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Also, to those saying that if a buyer does a chargeback and you have no funds in your paypal account, they paypal cannot take the money. This may not be true. PP could take the money from your bank account associated with your PP account. But even if they cannot, then they can (and probably will) restrict/suspend your PP account until you fund your PP account it with enough funds to satisfy the chargeback/dispute.

 

[xynames]

My uncle had an item for sale on Craig's list. Two guys showed up and agreed to buy it for $300. They gave him a cashier's check for more than 300, and asked him to accept it and give them the difference in cash back.

My uncle told them he would have to go to the bank to cash it, and did not let them leave with the item either. (They didn't even seem that interested in the item, which was another red flag.)

The bank told him the "cashier's check" was counterfeit. To avoid friction, since these guys now knew where he lived, he simply told them that the bank said that check was not cashable (which of course the guys must've known this would be the end result), and that was the end of that.

What you describe here is a similar scam, with additional nuances.

 

[Asfas1000]

How many more red flags are you waiting to see people..... this is a clear scam.

 

[EASYPICKINGS]

Wow 3.6k views glad people are seeing this before they fall for that scam.