.tv Has the .tv market peaked?

[snoop]

I think we are seeing numerous signs to suggest the .tv may have peaked. From what I can see of it, it is fairly common for relaunched/new tlds prices peak to at the time of the major auction, when speculator interest is at its highest, and you have a whole lot of people in the market who wouldn’t normally dabble in it. I’m not sure .tv will be an exception to this rule.

The only thing to change is there is now a large number of names in the market with genuine, real value, much like other extensions. In other words it is now on a level playfield in that respect but it is still only that, "level", not tilted upwards. The exuberance has carried over into a lot of unrealistic viewpoints recently in my view,

eg

-People claim this market is just starting to warm up and will be much stronger in a year. (we’ve heard that before)
-The idea that many of these premiums will be developed (of course that will never happen and is setting the scene for later disappointment).
-People talking about “trying to keep the momentum going” and trying to organize group auctions (as though this is an engine that constantly needs top ups of fuel to prevent breakdown).
-People talking about future .tv millionaires.
-World economies seeing another shock spreading out from Europe.


If you look back a month ago that really was a market with a lot of positive elements rolled into, many factors combining that may never be repeated.

So I put this question out there, do you think the .tv market has peaked?

 

[bmugford]

Really?

There are .NET domains that have sold for thousands that are available as hand regs in TV. Why? Because they don't make much sense in .TV

That is why .TV will never even come close to touching the big 3, because there are many terms that just don't make sense in .TV. Certain products and services that in many other extension would command big dollars don't fit well in .TV

Brad

This point is very debatable now and will even be more interesting in the next year or so...

 

[Jeff]

It's clear the interest in and passionate opinions of .TV (regardless of which way you swing) have certainly not peaked.

It's all good.

^ Agreed, it is all good.

If we are talking domain sales for this year, I will take the time out to show you that .TV is blowing away every extension except for .com, and maybe .de (have to research that again) this year so far.

Correct, and for the reasons mentioned (ie., Sedo Premium .TV auction / hype / narrow scope of "buyers", etc.) ... the .TV has thus peaked! :yell: :imho:

Have a great weekend,
Jeff

 

[atypical]

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[bmugford]

I fixed the typo

Brad

I don't care about touching the big, because "touching the big" is not synonymous with "peaking." IMHO :]

 

[atypical]

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[bmugford]

I have nothing against .TV, but it is what it is.

It is a niche extension that fits some terms better than others. I am sure true premium keywords that make sense in .TV will continue to at least hold their value, or possibly go up a bit.

I just do not see some broad explosion in popularity of the entire extension.

Brad

Haha! Even so, it doesn't really even have to be in the top 3 to be considered successful. I have no problem acknowledging that it's a niche market. I heart niche marketing.

 

[StargateCapital]

Which makes more sense Brad?

Ziggery.com or Closeouts.tv?

Richard's domain Closeouts.tv is much better suited for your site, IMHO. Maybe even for seo too.. just illustrating an example. .TV is more than a niche extension. BTW, the site design is sharp.

RL

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Brad

I think you bring some interesting facts to the table - and am appreciative of you taking the time and effort to make us aware of them.

However, it must be said that, with regard to the question of whether .TV has peaked or not the particular stats you supplied need to be seen in the direction they are taking.

In other words - are the figures you supply showing .TV is growing, or falling, compared to an earlier time point?

Without these comparisons we don't now if .Tv is even going up, or has gone up - never mind has it peaked!!

Anecdotally, there is masses of evidence to suggest that .TV is 'on the up' - indeed, if this were not already the case, then why would one of the biggest 'skeptics' of .Tv names, Snoop, have even created this thread in the first place?

The perception of .TV being on the up is firmly in place - something that was not the case, or at least only the case from the die-hard lovers of .TV just a few months ago.

We could go on all day about whether .TV is or isn't doing well (indeed I have reduced my postings here substantially because of the pointlessness and negativity of almost every thread :great::O:santa: IMHO) - but we can't hide from the FACTS regardless of what is being said.

Brad, your stats are useful, and much appreciated, but really only show the 'now' not the 'direction' - and no one actually knows the future - although we can have a very good idea if we examine the trends.

May I therefore point people to a thread created some time ago about .TV names in Alexa rankings.

namepros.com/dot-tv/480244-how-many-tvs-alexa-top-1-a.html

The thread is short, but mentions that there were just three .TV names in the top 1000 - and all were in the latter 700s and 900s.

Looking at those same names again they have actually moved into the top 500.

Now, many hundreds of new .tv channels have been created since that thread and several lists of these have been put forward time and time again as nice examples of 'unique developed .TV channels that improve the eco-sphere' (whatever all that means) but have been ignored, ignored and then ignored again.

These channels are not the massive Justin.TV's of the world but little channels that are just in their first few weeks, months and years of growth - channels that are, mainly, perfect examples of specialised interest (or niche) televisual websites.

Yes, we see more and more Oprah-style OWN.tv set-ups happening, but the move from printed media to televisual media using the .TV and other extensions as part of their brand is seriously unstoppable.

Is .TV at a peak? - I doubt we are even at base camp.


The bigger question is this - how far can .TV climb, if at all?



Have a nice weekend everyone and I hope it is as sunny where you are as it is for me. That said, should you be sad enough to waste this glorious weekend sat on a computer discussing what may or may not happen to .TV - you'll only really have proven one thing .... you don't actually know sh^t about real life.

 

[bmugford]

Well, that is not my decision as I don't own the site. I am just helping a friend promote it.

Brad

Which makes more sense Brad?

Ziggery.com or Closeouts.tv?

Richard's domain Closeouts.tv is much better suited for your site, IMHO. Maybe even for seo too..

RL

 

[StargateCapital]

Maybe you should tell your friend about it then... Irregardless of who actually owns the domain, Closeouts.tv is the better of the two, no question. Right now there are many well known domainers trying to make their mark in the .tv space grabbing all the good names they can get, and there's a good reason for that... .tv is gaining momentum.

RL

 

[Animator]

There are .NET domains that have sold for thousands that are available as hand regs in TV. Why? Because they don't make much sense in .TV

The .TV domain that i own wouldn't make sense without .TV on it.

But i totally agree with you and this is why i keep telling everyone that .CO is the only hope to surpass the big 3.

I can imagine that in a distant future, we will see a war between the old school vs the new school... .COM vs .CO

Imagine if .CO will be priced the same as a .COM

I sense a revolution.

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I have nothing against .TV, but it is what it is.

It is a niche extension that fits some terms better than others. I am sure true premium keywords that make sense in .TV will continue to at least hold their value, or possibly go up a bit.

I just do not see some broad explosion in popularity of the entire extension.

Brad

Cartoons.TV makes more sense then Cartoons.COM

 

[Jeff]

Cartoons.TV makes more sense then Cartoons.COM

It's absolutely flawed to reasonably believe that either "Cartoons.TV" or "Cartoons.CO" make more sense (or have more value) than pinnacle Cartoons.com; and this is yet another idication of just how far some are from the reality of the situation (and, for me, this adds further proof to the fact that things cannot get any better - and thus have presently 'peaked' - for the ".TV"), IMHO. :red:

Remember, too, the tried and true 1% Rule (.COM value x 1.0% = ccTLD .TV value)! :yell: :imho:

Best wishes,
Jeff

 

[freedom30]

The .TV domain that i own wouldn't make sense without .TV on it.

But i totally agree with you and this is why i keep telling everyone that .CO is the only hope to surpass the big 3.

I can imagine that in a distant future, we will see a war between the old school vs the new school... .COM vs .CO

Imagine if .CO will be priced the same as a .COM

I sense a revolution.

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Cartoons.TV makes more sense then Cartoons.COM

cartoons.tv is the norm in this case! I agree...

 

[garptrader]

At the start of 2009 I had no developed sites other than a Spanish domain sales site Dominericos.com (using Godaddy's Website Tonight). A year ago I was launching my first .TV sites and yes there is a learning curve. I am not a developer but have now launched more .TV sites (~14-15 + 4 more contracted) than .Net/.COM (six) combined. I have two .Info sites. I plan to launch another .TV site in the next few weeks. Interestingly with a couple of my .TV sites launched the last several months - several weeks ago a national real estate broker contacted me about the possibility of working with them (thinking I was a real estate agent) merely because of one of my .TV sites which focuses on one of their major markets. Then about a week ago someone contacted me asking for advice on planning their son's wedding because one of the pages of my .TV site is where they want to hold the wedding. Would these sort of inquiries ever come from a parked .COM domain or even a .COM minisite which is primarily text+header? I don't think so.


A few years ago I didn't like .TV. Then at the start of 2008 I cautiously started regging a few but insisting only on visual themes. Yes, I see many .TV drops I would reg in .COM and don't reg in .TV but I'm actually glad that the anti-.tv crowd doesn't see much value in the extension. All my .TV regs were captured in the last 28 months and most of the best ones in the last 15 months.

 

[freedom30]

...the tried and true 1% Rule (.COM value x 1.0% = ccTLD .TV value)! :yell: :imho:

.tv = 1% 20th century...99% 21st century

Let's face it...the .tv extension is G-r-o-w-i-n-g despite itself!

what good is .com names that are parked with phenomenal buy prices when you get .tv for a fraction of the .com sibling...and its a better fit for the 21st century technologies!!!

Oh, well...

 

[Animator]

Remember, too, the tried and true 1% Rule (.COM value x 1.0% = ccTLD .TV value)!

Your just comparing the extensions by it's age and not by it's meaningful quality.

Im sorry but .COM is not a word.

 

[Jeff]

Im sorry but .COM is not a word.

Correct, it's short & highly memorable for "Commercial" ... as 'CO' is an abbreviation for the State of "Colorado"! :imho:

Regardless, the .TV has now fully peaked; interesting poll results thus far in a predominantly Pro .TV Forum™, as well! :red:

Enjoy the weekend,
Jeff

 

[discovernow]

At the start of 2009 I had no developed sites other than a Spanish domain sales site Dominericos.com (using Godaddy's Website Tonight). A year ago I was launching my first .TV sites and yes there is a learning curve. I am not a developer but have now launched more .TV sites (~14-15 + 4 more contracted) than .Net/.COM (six) combined. I have two .Info sites. I plan to launch another .TV site in the next few weeks. Interestingly with a couple of my .TV sites launched the last several months - several weeks ago a national real estate broker contacted me about the possibility of working with them (thinking I was a real estate agent) merely because of one of my .TV sites which focuses on one of their major markets. Then about a week ago someone contacted me asking for advice on planning their son's wedding because one of the pages of my .TV site is where they want to hold the wedding. Would these sort of inquiries ever come from a parked .COM domain or even a .COM minisite which is primarily text+header? I don't think so.


A few years ago I didn't like .TV. Then at the start of 2008 I cautiously started regging a few but insisting only on visual themes. Yes, I see many .TV drops I would reg in .COM and don't reg in .TV but I'm actually glad that the anti-.tv crowd doesn't see much value in the extension. All my .TV regs were captured in the last 28 months and most of the best ones in the last 15 months.

You got some great Spanish names.

Thanks, Jim

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Correct, it's short & highly memorable for "Commercial" ... as 'CO' is an abbreviation for the State of "Colorado"! :imho:

Regardless, the .TV has now fully peaked; interesting poll results thus far in a predominantly Pro .TV Forum™, as well! :red:

Enjoy the weekend,
Jeff

.TV now has fully peaked. Thanks for letting me know. Now can we focus on the next hot thing, .ws please

 

[snoop]

The main question that needs to be asked is "Has Online Video Peaked?".

That isn't the question in my view because.tv prices are driven by domainers.

It is a bit like when people used to say .mobi had no legs and people would say as a rebuttal "so you think the mobile Internet isn't going to grow?". Yes usage of the extension will grow but what about domain values? You could say the same thing about .com aswell, prices and usage don't neccessarily go together, it gets skewed by domainers.

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what good is .com names that are parked with phenomenal buy prices when you get .tv for a fraction of the .com sibling...and its a better fit for the 21st century technologies!!!

Oh, well...

It is a bit of non argument to me, domainers park .com, they park .tv's. If you think prices are cheap then obviously there is a reason for that - ie it probably isn't a better fit.

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If .COM is the abbreviation of "commercial", then .CO is also the abbreviation of "commercial".

Who cares about techincal meanings of extensions. What people think something means is what counts and in practice .co means nearly nothing aside from being a typo of .com and being known by colombians.

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.COM is the global brand. It is not an American thing. The only thing that might be more popular in certain places is the local ccTLD. 1000 out of the top 1550 Alexa traffic sites in the world are .COM - Top 1000 Alexa rankings within .COM

As far as .TV goes the Alexa rankings tell the story about usage. It is far more similar to .BIZ than NET/ORG or even .INFO as far as popularity.

There are 1000 Alexa ranked .TV sites in the top 236,000 total sites (1 in 236)
Top 1000 Alexa rankings within .TV

.NET has 1000 in the top 16,000 ( 1 in 16)
Top 1000 Alexa rankings within .NET

.ORG 1000 in the top 31,000 (1 in 31)
Top 1000 Alexa rankings within .ORG

.INFO has 1000 in the top 83,000 (1 in 83)
Top 1000 Alexa rankings within .INFO

.BIZ is most similar to .TV with 1000 in the top 287,000 ( 1 in 287)
Top 1000 Alexa rankings within .BIZ

Brad

Nice to see some hard numbers presented, thanks.

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Maybe you should tell your friend about it then... Irregardless of who actually owns the domain, Closeouts.tv is the better of the two, no question. Right now there are many well known domainers trying to make their mark in the .tv space grabbing all the good names they can get, and there's a good reason for that... .tv is gaining momentum.

RL

Highly exaggerated. Those people are buying because in the past those premium names made no financial sense. There is plenty of people who have always thought it was a resasonable extension, just not priced correctly. Those people buying now doesn't they are buying becuase ".tv is gaining momentum", they are buying because Verisign has taken a reality pill and slashed prices.

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Cartoons.TV makes more sense then Cartoons.COM

I don't see it. The vast majority of video sites on on .com addresses. People don't think .tv when they here of a video site, it only has a small market share.

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But i totally agree with you and this is why i keep telling everyone that .CO is the only hope to surpass the big 3.

I can imagine that in a distant future, we will see a war between the old school vs the new school... .COM vs .CO

Imagine if .CO will be priced the same as a .COM

I sense a revolution.

Good luck.

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It's absolutely flawed to reasonably believe that either "Cartoons.TV" or "Cartoons.CO" make more sense (or have more value) than pinnacle Cartoons.com; and this is yet another idication of just how far some are from the reality of the situation (and, for me, this adds further proof to the fact that things cannot get any better - and thus have presently 'peaked' - for the ".TV"), IMHO. :red:

Remember, too, the tried and true 1% Rule (.COM value x 1.0% = ccTLD .TV value)! :yell: :imho:

Best wishes,
Jeff

Jeff this is well said, and shows just how bizarre some viewpoints are. The only reason I brought up .co was to show that the same kinds of absurd claims being made about .tv taking over the world are also being made about every other alt extension. For the people who think .tv is going to become the major extension you are in the same boat as many .us, .co, .mobi etc investor who share the same unrealistic viewpoints.

 

[StargateCapital]

Highly exaggerated. Those people are buying because in the past those premium names made no financial sense. There is plenty of people who have always thought it was a resasonable extension, just not priced correctly. Those people buying now doesn't they are buying becuase ".tv is gaining momentum", they are buying because Verisign has taken a reality pill and slashed prices.

There is definitely some truth in the above. The extension is indeed very reasonable, and people are buying .tv. People were still buying regardless of premium pricing for the past 10 years and spending nice amounts of cash in it and making nice profits, such as myself. Most certainly, the new premium pricing structure in March fueled registrations, but the bottom line is... momentum is still gaining. Once premiums are a thing of the past, (I think it will happen - its taken 10 years to get to where it is today, and I don't think it will stop where it is right now) it will have another surge obviously, therefore .tv has not yet reached its peak, imho. The pricing has held the ccTLD back in an infancy stage and it has yet to mature fully. Google TV will have a nice impact for .tv domainers, propelling the extension quite a bit further. But I don't need to waste my time telling you and other skeptics what you already know but refuse to admit. Continual sales behind the scenes, continual offer flow via np & sedo, and otherwise are telling the real story. .TV is going places my friend... it is inevitable.

RL