.tv Has the .tv market peaked?

[snoop]

I think we are seeing numerous signs to suggest the .tv may have peaked. From what I can see of it, it is fairly common for relaunched/new tlds prices peak to at the time of the major auction, when speculator interest is at its highest, and you have a whole lot of people in the market who wouldn’t normally dabble in it. I’m not sure .tv will be an exception to this rule.

The only thing to change is there is now a large number of names in the market with genuine, real value, much like other extensions. In other words it is now on a level playfield in that respect but it is still only that, "level", not tilted upwards. The exuberance has carried over into a lot of unrealistic viewpoints recently in my view,

eg

-People claim this market is just starting to warm up and will be much stronger in a year. (we’ve heard that before)
-The idea that many of these premiums will be developed (of course that will never happen and is setting the scene for later disappointment).
-People talking about “trying to keep the momentum going” and trying to organize group auctions (as though this is an engine that constantly needs top ups of fuel to prevent breakdown).
-People talking about future .tv millionaires.
-World economies seeing another shock spreading out from Europe.


If you look back a month ago that really was a market with a lot of positive elements rolled into, many factors combining that may never be repeated.

So I put this question out there, do you think the .tv market has peaked?

 

[Vito]

Get some sleep...its not a conspiracy

I :hearts: .TV

I was gonna write a big Google TV article tonight but you guys and gals are way too much fun!

Ok, I'm out, gotta get up too early in the morning to be fighting with invisible people...


nite all,
Vito

 

[snoop]

you dont like hearing all this in a year from now BS???

Well, then how do you propose to answer a question that is relevant with a period in time Adrian???


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He is just saying he doesn't like hearing all the nonsense about how the market *will* be stronger in a year. It is nonsense because it is being said in a way that sounds certain, much you like you say "Of course it hasn't peaked" as though that is definate. The future simply isn't known. If you are completely certain that the market can only rise that is an extremely dangerous viewpoint to hold. I'm not saying I'm sure the market has peaked, I saying that I think it may have, that is my gut feeling.

For those who are always looking to the future rather than the present, next time you are at your accountants ask him how many clients he has who hope to make money from certain ventures in the future but aren't making money today. The world is full of people like that. My advice is to focus on making money today rather than relying on things changing in the future.

 

[DU]

My advice is to focus on making money today rather than relying on things changing in the future.

It's time you looked into the cash flow business. In this economy winning in the cash flow business is better than ever. In real estate you have to have money. In the note business you just find notes and buy them and list them ... it's easy. 2hrs a week and you can make almost $200,000.

Same with .TVs it's just three simple steps:
Find Them
List Them
Make Money

I don't want to live paycheck to paycheck.. I want financial independence!

You have to change your life and do something about it now!

ALL non-fixed investment bar NONE is based on speculation on future yields. The only parameter you can change is the time variant. It's a gut feeling for snoop - it's a gut feeling for the DS.

My focus is not to make money today or to make money tomorrow. My focus is to have a portfolio of investments that on the balance will ensure that I have ENOUGH money in the future. My advice is that the only permanent winner in a client-accountant relationship is the accountant. Hey, I just lost you $50,000 dollars investing in BP.... you still owe me for my service.

 

[deb]

It's time you looked into the cash flow business. In this economy winning in the cash flow business is better than ever. In real estate you have to have money. In the note business you just find notes and buy them and list them ... it's easy. 2hrs a week and you can make almost $200,000.

Same with .TVs it's just three simple steps:
Find Them
List Them
Make Money

I don't want to live paycheck to paycheck.. I want financial independence!

You have to change your life and do something about it now!

ALL non-fixed investment bar NONE is based on speculation on future yields. The only parameter you can change is the time variant. It's a gut feeling for snoop - it's a gut feeling for the DS.

My focus is not to make money today or to make money tomorrow. My focus is to have a portfolio of investments that on the balance will ensure that I have ENOUGH money in the future. My advice is that the only permanent winner in a client-accountant relationship is the accountant. Hey, I just lost you $50,000 dollars investing in BP.... you still owe me for my service.

Smart Man:bingo: Invest in Internet Real Estate :sold: and you dont need to cut grass :hehe:

 

[snoop]

It's time you looked into the cash flow business. In this economy winning in the cash flow business is better than ever. In real estate you have to have money. In the note business you just find notes and buy them and list them ... it's easy. 2hrs a week and you can make almost $200,000.

Same with .TVs it's just three simple steps:
Find Them
List Them
Make Money

I don't want to live paycheck to paycheck.. I want financial independence!

You have to change your life and do something about it now!

ALL non-fixed investment bar NONE is based on speculation on future yields. The only parameter you can change is the time variant. It's a gut feeling for snoop - it's a gut feeling for the DS.

My focus is not to make money today or to make money tomorrow. My focus is to have a portfolio of investments that on the balance will ensure that I have ENOUGH money in the future. My advice is that the only permanent winner in a client-accountant relationship is the accountant. Hey, I just lost you $50,000 dollars investing in BP.... you still owe me for my service.

I've read this a couple of times and I still have no idea what any of this is supposed to mean.

My advice is really simple: Make sure you are making money today because for those who don't make money today but think things will change: very rarely do things actually change for them. They already have the mindset of putting things off forever, the business model is established: losing money.

So when people say stuff like .tv will one day be bigger than .com, I ask them when? In what year will you decude you were wrong, or will that be put off forever aswell?

 

[ThreeD]

You are travelling a well worn path. Funnily enough there is a guy in the .co thread here making much the same argument.

Here's what you forget - TV is a GLOBAL term. As for CO? Short for company? Company = english term, not global. That's the difference. Everybody knows what TV is all about.

 

[snoop]

Here's what you forget - TV is a GLOBAL term. As for CO? Short for company? Company = english term, not global. That's the difference. Everybody knows what TV is all about.

I didn't say it was better or worse, I said there is people in the .co thread giving almost exactly the same argument. The same old stuff is trotted out about every new/alt extension, it isn't realistic.

 

[Jaco]

I think it's pretty damn hard to tell.
Obviously, the determinative factor here will be the shapes and colors taken by the upcoming confluence of computing and television that is likely to hit pretty hard over the next 5 years (I remember 10+ years ago, we jokingly called it the 'masterbox' - one glowing box in your living room that was your Television, Media Recorder/Player, Phone and Computer)

It's pretty hard to predict the ultimate magnitude of adoption that .tv sees from content producers. Right now, it's erratic. I do think that building conventional websites on .tv is kind of a joke and really, takes a dump in the underlying 'debate' that surrounds the TLD in the first place. At that point, if your goal is a hotel affiliate, splog or adsense gamer, you may as well be using a .info or a .ws. There is nothing in those sites that 'supports' the value drivers that are supposed to be inherent to .tv.

Either way, as with everything else, the future of the internet is not in the hands of domainers, contrary to what they've deluded themselves into believing. It's in the hands of the builders and producers. If they adopt .tv as a branding device, then some premier names will probably do quite well. Unlike .com, I think .tv is one where you have to be in the top 0.01% of quality in order to stand a chance.

 

[deb]

I think .tv is one where you have to be in the top 0.01% of quality in order to stand a chance.

Top 1% would be OK :tu:

 

[hullswingerscom]

maybe you can tell this if the premium what are left are just standing there,or slowly being picked up.

there lots of tv names to buy why would anyone pay a high price for a tv
the market flooded with tv names .
then there the other side were tv domain are price to high look at england.tv at auction latonia.

this made me think has the domainers of tv stoped the growth of dot tv.
buying prium for $500 and hoping they would be worth $50000,instead of the guy who loved the name and will do something with it.

what good has England.tv done for tv nothing it just been kicked around in the gutter.never a site showing the glory and history of ENGLAND the biggest little country in the world ,hellsbells there Content out there for a site.

iam no better with some of my names .
sorry for the ranting.

 

[deb]

snoop we are bidding on Possum.com : )

 

[snoop]

maybe you can tell this if the premium what are left are just standing there,or slowly being picked up.

there lots of tv names to buy why would anyone pay a high price for a tv
the market flooded with tv names .
then there the other side were tv domain are price to high look at england.tv at auction latonia.

this made me think has the domainers of tv stoped the growth of dot tv.
buying prium for $500 and hoping they would be worth $50000,instead of the guy who loved the name and will do something with it.

what good has England.tv done for tv nothing it just been kicked around in the gutter.a nice site showing the glory and history of ENGLAND the biggest little country in the world .

iam no better with some of my names .
sorry for the ranting.

This is all very true. But how can you expect anything different?

Domaining is about trading domains, parking domains and making half ass attempts at development. We actually work against development of extensions because we hold to speculate and we actually do nothing for the extension, we make money when other develop and make something popular. So in that theme, a domain auction landrush will create a market and bring money in for the registry, the cost of that is less people actually using those names.

 

[gr8trfoo]

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[discovernow]

The .tv market is "dead", but I hear .ws and .cc are the future. I really like .co because while posting drunk, I keep forgetting to hit the "m" on the keyboard when I go to "Snoop.co(M)

Google.ws, and Own/Oprah.cc is coming out, watch out for .tel and .pro, it's the next "hot thing".

Also, the spanish market is dead, they don't have credit cards to buy things. My wife is from Mexico and I just tore up her credit card. It's over, no more spanish market. I guess I will just have to give, Pornografia.tv to Ron Jeremy next time I see him at the Playboy Mansion in exchange for an hour with one of his "babes"

 

[snoop]

besides, only speculators (hello everyone) lump classes of domains together and think of them in terms of overall market conditions. every domain is a unique proposition. once you realize this you stop thinking about how to double, triple, dektuple your money and start considering how to use good names to create lasting wealth.

We are speculators, so not much point saying people should think how to use good domains to create lasting wealth, that is unless you own one .tv domain and have a solid plan, in which case you probably wouldn't be reading domain forums, nor would you need to be given any advice, if you have a solid plan. So in short it is 100% logical for domainers to think about overall market conditions.

That along with a constant whiny refrain of "why cant you just show us those domains?"

After nearly a year of asking I know that day will probably never come.

So whatever dude. Pretend all you want whatever you want but you lost more credibility than you can ever imagine. _\|/_

If you thought that you wouldn't have sent me a PM calling for "cooperation" and and end to "tussles" after I once again called you out publicaly over your inflated claims. Of course that didn't last long as you had another outburst about your boxing rings and crazy bets within weeks. Personally though I'm happy to keep debating on the issue until 2020 if need be.

 

[gr8trfoo]

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[snoop]

some .tv's will be bigger than some .com's, thats for sure already true and that measn more than weather or not there will ever be more .tv's in use than .com's or they will ever get more overall traffic. i'm not investing in .tv, i'm investing in .tv's.

That isn't the claim being made by The Dot Stop, what he said was, to quote

don't tell me this .TV extension won't be adopted as #1.

 

[gr8trfoo]

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[snoop]

i already showed one name for free.

What name?

 

[gr8trfoo]

If you thought that you wouldn't have sent me a PM calling for "cooperation" and and end to "tussles" after I once again called you out publicaly over your inflated claims. Of course that didn't last long as you had another outburst about your boxing rings and crazy bets within weeks. Personally though I'm happy to keep debating on the issue until 2020 if need be.

you missed the meaning of the message. i simply thought we should both try to tone down the overheated rhetoric as it was becoming toxic to the board.


the part about boxing rings is that here in the states its pretty much illegal to challange someone to a street fight. however a bout in the ring is another thing. i seriously would still like to go a few rounds with you. but talk about a day that will never happen. its easy to talk cybersmack knowing you cant really get socked in the eye over it.